RoosterTeeth supports the Resistance
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Posted on: 2010-07-11 14:12 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Why would that be relevant?|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
And if both sides offer good and evil missions?
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If for example, I want to play a blue-side Brute, I'll side with the resistance, because Tyrant is a CoH villain.
Am I missing something obvious here?
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Your actions in Paretoria have no effect on where you end up on Primnal Earth - Positron said so at Hero Con.
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Originally Posted by Bull Throttle
Nice theory, but it's a shame that my actual decision will be based on:
"Do I want to end up in Paragon or the Rogue isles?" |
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Yes, you are - see my previous post |
Originally Posted by Bull Throttle
Why would that be relevant?
If for example, I want to play a blue-side Brute, I'll side with the resistance, because Tyrant is a CoH villain. Am I missing something obvious here? |
All Paretorians are free to choose if they want to go blue side or red side when they leave their home dimension.
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Okay...I've been avoiding reading up on it to avoid spoilers.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Yes, you are - see my previous post
All Paretorians are free to choose if they want to go blue side or red side when they leave their home dimension. |
It sounds a bit pointless if you can side with Tyrant and then choose to be a Hero.
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Well, if some of Tyrant's thugs have been brainwashed into believing that they're heroes protecting Praetoria, then becoming heroes protecting Paragon City would seem like an obvious choice for them to make - plus, they might find the presence of another Marcus Cole there quite reassuring.|
Originally Posted by Bull Throttle
Okay...I've been avoiding reading up on it to avoid spoilers.
It sounds a bit pointless if you can side with Tyrant and then choose to be a Hero. |
But that might also work the other way around form some of the Resistance - if they've sepnt their lives trying to overthrow one Marcus Cole, they mightn't be too enthusiastic to go to a place where another Marcus Cole has a lot of influence.
Plus the Resistance would be likely to attract some bad types to it anyway.
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Ah okay, that makes perfect sense.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, if some of Tyrant's thugs have been brainwashed into believing that they're heroes protecting Praetoria, then becoming heroes protecting Paragon City would seem like an obvious choice for them to make - plus, they might find the presence of another Marcus Cole there quite reassuring.
But that might alo work the other way around form some of the Resistance - if they've sepnt their lives trying to overthrow one Marcus Cole, they mightn't be too enthusiastic to go to a place where another Marcus Cole has a lot of influence. Plus the Resistance would be likely to attract some bad types to it anyway. |
I didn't realise the 'switching sides' stuff was entirely separate from the 'alternate world' stuff in GR, but that was a pretty good explanation as to why it's so - damn you and your logic!
On the plus side it means I'd be able to enjoy the experience instead of trying to play the system to get a Brute blue-side!
Also, you'll probably want to play through Praetoria several times anyway, as War Witch has said that the new 1-20 content is much "thicker" than the curent blue and red 1-20 content, as there are multiple paths through it, with multiple contacts for each level band - so it sounds like that instead of having one chain of contacts leading through a zone, there will be multpile contact chains through each zone.
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Both sides have lots of purple on it... only at the very last moment they decide to go Blue or Red... ^_^
Well, you find good and evil persons on both sides. Its easy to imagine an idealistic hero, defending praetoria people... who suddenly discover that he was promoting the opression of everyone around him. When someone is totally taken by some kind of ideology they can be blind to everything up to the last minute... Then, when he is show the "other side", he can be badly broken and turn to a deadly evil villain... or try to redeem himself and became a blazing hero...
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I have to ask, will you be breaking the habit of a lifetime and rolling an alt?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Also, you'll probably want to play through Praetoria several times anyway, as War Witch has said that the new 1-20 content is much "thicker" than the curent blue and red 1-20 content, as there are multiple paths through it, with multiple contacts for each level band - so it sounds like that instead of having one chain of contacts leading through a zone, there will be multpile contact chains through each zone.
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Plus, it might be interesting to think how groups like the Freakshow, with their mindless anti-authority violence, would have evolved in Praetoria, where there is an authroity that genuinely needs to be resisted.
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Originally Posted by KayJMM
Both sides have lots of purple on it... only at the very last moment they decide to go Blue or Red... ^_^
Well, you find good and evil persons on both sides. Its easy to imagine an idealistic hero, defending praetoria people... who suddenly discover that he was promoting the opression of everyone around him. When someone is totally taken by some kind of ideology they can be blind to everything up to the last minute... Then, when he is show the "other side", he can be badly broken and turn to a deadly evil villain... or try to redeem himself and became a blazing hero... |
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No |
Originally Posted by Bull Throttle
I have to ask, will you be breaking the habit of a lifetime and rolling an alt?
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Ha, I sort of expected that.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
No
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I can't see you switching sides either, so will you buy GR?
If so, why?
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Well, I want to visit Praetoria - maybe decline one of the offical tours and go off on my own to experience the culture first hand for a more authentic picture of the place |
Originally Posted by Bull Throttle
Ha, I sort of expected that.
I can't see you switching sides either, so will you buy GR? If so, why? |
Plus, the Incarnate system requires GR to access it.
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I assumed you wouldn't be able to visit Praetoria once you'd left...but I've already seen where my assumptions got me in this thread. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, I want to visit Praetoria - maybe decline one of the offical tours and go off on my own to experience the culture first hand for a more authentic picture of the place
Plus, the Incarnate system requires GR to access it. |
I'd forgotton all about the Incarnate system; struggling happily in the 20's on Virtue instead of standing around on a 50 on Union or Defiant made the whole end-game thing less pressing I guess.
I'll crawl back under my rock now!
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Like GG, for example |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Plus the Resistance would be likely to attract some bad types to it anyway.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Supposedly Praetoria has endgame content, too.
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Originally Posted by Bull Throttle
I assumed you wouldn't be able to visit Praetoria once you'd left...but I've already seen where my assumptions got me in this thread.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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To me the Resistance outfits look like a more hightech version of the freakshow. Maybe the Resistance is the Praetorian Freakshow.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Plus, it might be interesting to think how groups like the Freakshow, with their mindless anti-authority violence, would have evolved in Praetoria, where there is an authroity that genuinely needs to be resisted.
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I think Praetorians with the mentality of the Freaklshow would be very likely to join the Resistance.
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Originally Posted by Vyver
To me the Resistance outfits look like a more hightech version of the freakshow. Maybe the Resistance is the Praetorian Freakshow.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Like GG, for example
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
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I was under the impression that, depending on perspective, the Loyalists and Resistence are both heroes and good guys. It isn't like Primal Earth, where people literally take on the titles of "Hero" and "Villain". They are in a moral quagmire that does not translate to Primal standards. You have an utterly Adamantium Fisted fascism vs. Complete Anarchy, with compelling arguments on both sides. When you factor in the fact that most humans in Praetoria don't want the freedoms the U.S.'s Bill of Rights grants, and you end up with a very unusual situation.
It's kind of like when the U.S. went to war in Iraq recently. War Protesters: If you were for the war, they were likely undermining the strength of America at a vital time, making them villains. If you were against the war, they were the voice of sanity in a corrupt situation, making them heroes.
Making it clear-cut is a dangerous thing. Though I know some do, I refuse to do so.
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The problem with that approach is that it presents a superpowered fascist dictatorship as an acceptable option - it's not.|
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
I was under the impression that, depending on perspective, the Loyalists and Resistence are both heroes and good guys. It isn't like Primal Earth, where people literally take on the titles of "Hero" and "Villain". They are in a moral quagmire that does not translate to Primal standards. You have an utterly Adamantium Fisted fascism vs. Complete Anarchy, with compelling arguments on both sides. When you factor in the fact that most humans in Praetoria don't want the freedoms the U.S.'s Bill of Rights grants, and you end up with a very unusual situation.
It's kind of like when the U.S. went to war in Iraq recently. War Protesters: If you were for the war, they were likely undermining the strength of America at a vital time, making them villains. If you were against the war, they were the voice of sanity in a corrupt situation, making them heroes. Making it clear-cut is a dangerous thing. Though I know some do, I refuse to do so. |
But neither is anarchist violence against the dictatorship acceptable, as it harms innocent people, just like the dictatorship does.
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Which is why I mutter "Prime Directive" and stumble back to Primal, where things make sense. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The problem with that approach is that it presents a superpowered fascist dictatorship as an acceptable option - it's not.
But neither is anarchist violence against the dictatorship acceptable, as it harms innocent people, just like the dictatorship does. |
In all reality, though, I think that Cole is too close to a perfect government. He has a better thing going than any government I've ever seen. Granted, it's messed up in a lot of truly abhorrent ways. That being said, the Resistance wants to shake the Etch-A-Sketch, and that just doesn't jive with me. I'd rather work with the Loyalists in order to reform the wrong parts of Cole's philosophy.
Then again, the "zero crime" policy he has came at the cost of "Volunteering" all the supers. So, changing policy to allow supers to live freely is arguably removing a very fragile block from the Jenga tower...
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So, you're just one among thousands of grunts in the Powers Division, and your boss is an immortal god-emperor who beleives he has created a utopia - how would you rate your chances of getting him to reform his system?|
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Which is why I mutter "Prime Directive" and stumble back to Primal, where things make sense.
In all reality, though, I think that Cole is too close to a perfect government. He has a better thing going than any government I've ever seen. Granted, it's messed up in a lot of truly abhorrent ways. That being said, the Resistance wants to shake the Etch-A-Sketch, and that just doesn't jive with me. I'd rather work with the Loyalists in order to reform the wrong parts of Cole's philosophy. |
Remember, this is a utopia - it's perfect - and changing perfection can only mean making it less perfect.
Reform would be a crime, citizen.
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