If You Were Going To Roll One, Just One PvP Toon What Would It Be and Why?


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Originally Posted by DarkInvado View Post
So, I am not a PvPer and all my current 50s are pretty much PvE solo builds. They suck at PvP for the most part. Since I am looking for a project and new challenge before Going Rogue comes out what PvP toon would you recommend I make? Red or Blue side - either is fine but I have more resources Blue side, for the time being obviously.

Thanks from a PvP noob who has been playing CoH since i4.
When Villains first came out, and cross-faction PvP was foisted upon us,
I rolled a single toon intended for PvP in the lowest level zone and intentionally
level-capped him there.

While I've since added a few more PvP toons over the years, I still have
that first toon, and I still play it. For a *long* time it was the only toon
I'd PvP with...

What is it? An L28 Stalker.

Why? Several reasons:

1> I'm mostly a solo player, and it's an excellent solo toon (PvE & PvP) that I
enjoy playing (He has 1200+ hours on him).

2> Its stealthy nature means that I determine when (or even if) I get involved
in a PvP fight.

3> Its stealthy nature means that when I'm not actively PvP'ing myself,
I can observe (and learn) what other PvP'ers are doing to get a good sense
of what works and what doesn't. I tend to watch fights a LOT more than
participate in them.

4> Played "properly" (your definition may vary from mine), it's a great toon
to learn PvP with - your fate is entirely in your own hands. You shouldn't die
unless you screw up, and on the flip-side, you should be able to get kills
by taking advantage of the mistakes other players make.

5> It's an AT that you can build on the cheap and still be successful
with. That particular toon is frankenslotted now, but it was a straight
SO build for quite awhile - short of a Stealth IO, you really don't need
a lot of shinies for it to be useful.

For me, that turned out to be an ideal approach to PvP, and were it not for
that toon, I'd have very probably avoided PvP entirely. Instead, I've made more
PvP toons that I enjoy and I typically pop into zones a few times a week.


Regards,
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pie View Post
just one? roll your preference...

Corruptor - Sonic/Therm/Soul
Dominator - Mind/Elec/Mace
Stalker - Elec or EM/WP or Ninja /Leviathan

Blaster - Sonic/Mental/Cold
Defender - Rad/Sonic/Power
or for something interesting
Defender - Rad/Dark/Power
Bad list.
Sonic/Therm without Leviathan is gimping yourself.
Mind/Elec/Mace is ok, but a Mind/Elec/Leviathan is 20 times more versatile.
Spines is better than EM.
Nothing's better than a Psi/Em/Cold.
And you shouldn't roll a defender til GR.


 

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Bad list.
Sonic/Therm without Leviathan is gimping yourself.
Mind/Elec/Mace is ok, but a Mind/Elec/Leviathan is 20 times more versatile.
Spines is better than EM.
Nothing's better than a Psi/Em/Cold.
And you shouldn't roll a defender til GR.
Thanks for the hyperbole, not taking Leviathan on a corruptor is not seriously gimping yourself. Hibernate isn't the end all be all...people using hibernate get killed all the time as damage keeps ticking away after activation. And Power Boost can be more than useful.

Same goes for Doms and hibernate, while Poison Ray does more Dmg than Leviathan attacks and Scorp shields allows you to add/build for Def.

I have a Spines and EM/WP that I use in RV and spines is fine but picking up two attacks from Leviathan (both with twice the range and more damage) makes Impale (the best part about spines) only so-so. And there's nothing in spines to compete with the burst damage you get from ET following an AS. I also have an Elec/Ninja which I prefer over the Spines and EM stalkers.

And I'll agree with Psi/EM


 

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Thanks for the hyperbole, not taking Leviathan on a corruptor is not seriously gimping yourself. Hibernate isn't the end all be all...people using hibernate get killed all the time as damage keeps ticking away after activation. And Power Boost can be more than useful.

Same goes for Doms and hibernate, while Poison Ray does more Dmg than Leviathan attacks and Scorp shields allows you to add/build for Def.

I have a Spines and EM/WP that I use in RV and spines is fine but picking up two attacks from Leviathan (both with twice the range and more damage) makes Impale (the best part about spines) only so-so. And there's nothing in spines to compete with the burst damage you get from ET following an AS. I also have an Elec/Ninja which I prefer over the Spines and EM stalkers.

And I'll agree with Psi/EM


yo pro, not only do you get hibernate with mako you also get a huge damage hold that doesn't root you for a couple days.


next point, what 2 attacks are you picking up from levithan? cause lol @ the hold and snipe. If you want to play a hidden blaster than spine > em, and if you are going to do melee you are really should do ele/. Your preferences don't changes numbers.

For the record I play a em wp alot, and probably have more stalkers than most people. The easiest by far for me is the ele/wp/soul. I don't think I would go around recommending that build to everyone though.


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Thanks for the hyperbole, not taking Leviathan on a corruptor is not seriously gimping yourself. Hibernate isn't the end all be all...people using hibernate get killed all the time as damage keeps ticking away after activation. And Power Boost can be more than useful.
PB is trash with DR on.
Look at the numbers.
Scourging Spirit Shark Jaws means I have to go to the bathroom and clean-up after every other kill.


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Same goes for Doms and hibernate, while Poison Ray does more Dmg than Leviathan attacks and Scorp shields allows you to add/build for Def.
WAIT WAIT WAIT
are you asking people to build for Def on a dom? seriously, go back to PVE, kid.

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I have a Spines and EM/WP that I use in RV and spines is fine but picking up two attacks from Leviathan (both with twice the range and more damage) makes Impale (the best part about spines) only so-so. And there's nothing in spines to compete with the burst damage you get from ET following an AS. I also have an Elec/Ninja which I prefer over the Spines and EM stalkers.

And I'll agree with Psi/EM
1. the hold is not an attack.
2. you don't need shraks on a spines.
3. three ranged attacks > ET + 2 ranged attacks.

please try again later.


 

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PB is trash with DR on.
Look at the numbers.
Scourging Spirit Shark Jaws means I have to go to the bathroom and clean-up after every other kill.




WAIT WAIT WAIT
are you asking people to build for Def on a dom? seriously, go back to PVE, kid.



1. the hold is not an attack.
2. you don't need shraks on a spines.
3. three ranged attacks > ET + 2 ranged attacks.

please try again later.
you forgot to correct the fact that Leviathan doesn't have a snipe, small oversight I know.

Soul Storm also does a little more damage than Jaws, matbe only by a marginal amount but still by almost 10% enhanced. I just offered up soul for something a little different.

Like I said Spines is great, but I still prefer my Elec. BTW I never said anything about my preferences between Spines and EM. Also the greater burst damage in EM is in the numbers.

1. How is the Hold not an attack?
and
2. If you don't go sharks what patron do you get on a spines?


 

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Originally Posted by Psyrene View Post
a scrapper with sharks???......now that is interesting, pretty positive that won't happen until GR goes live..just sayin.



and for the OP, of your listed toons I would PvP with one of these:
Darkosis Mind/Rad Troller
Dark Ignis Fire/Eng Blast - still one of the best PvP blasters, I would say 2nd to Psi/Em being first
Dark Gage Ice/Storm Troller- drawback is any mez turning off hurricane and snowstorm
Meta Ender Rad/Son Def - great at -res and stunning with screech, great team PvP toon.
agree 100%


 

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you forgot to correct the fact that Leviathan doesn't have a snipe, small oversight I know.

Soul Storm also does a little more damage than Jaws, matbe only by a marginal amount but still by almost 10% enhanced. I just offered up soul for something a little different.

Like I said Spines is great, but I still prefer my Elec. BTW I never said anything about my preferences between Spines and EM. Also the greater burst damage in EM is in the numbers.

1. How is the Hold not an attack?
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2. If you don't go sharks what patron do you get on a spines?

First to the corr, if you go soul you are either losing percption of escapability. The only time to go soul is on a buffer for teaming or on a dueler on and then I would say only on a dark miasma.


On to the stalkers. While em has greater burst its all from melee. With spines its all ranged which means if you land your as and throw out your ranged attacks the target is in pretty bad shape.


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First to the corr, if you go soul you are either losing percption of escapability. The only time to go soul is on a buffer for teaming or on a dueler on and then I would say only on a dark miasma.


On to the stalkers. While em has greater burst its all from melee. With spines its all ranged which means if you land your as and throw out your ranged attacks the target is in pretty bad shape.
It's funny how you two argue for spines over EM because of range vs melee, yet you both tout Elec over Spines when it's melee too. good job keeping you stories straight.

Either way Elec or Spines are the clear favorites.


 

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thunderstrike=broken therefore elec is good until that power is fixed. it is not because elec is melee, it is only because of thunderstrike.


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It's funny how you two argue for spines over EM because of range vs melee, yet you both tout Elec over Spines when it's melee too. good job keeping you stories straight.

Either way Elec or Spines are the clear favorites.


Like psy said, if you don't understand how 'good' ts is you are missing a lot stalker wise.


Edit: also for a majority of stalkers range is better because they are bad. A good player really only need bu as and a follow up of their choosing, you can get that from any set.


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Soul Storm also does a little more damage than Jaws, matbe only by a marginal amount but still by almost 10% enhanced. I just offered up soul for something a little different.
The scourge on jaws is frontloaded which is huuuuge.


 

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I dunno about Warhammer Online being that great. I've done the trial... it's basically a less cartoonish WoW and the PvP... well I used an archer and just pressed buttons and got the highest kills for the map... I really didn't try at all or know wtf I was doing.
Not to get totally off topic, but the early WAR scenarios are designed to be simple one or two button mashers while you get used to the flow. It would be like rolling a level 10 hero into PvP and saying you only press three buttons.. no kidding, you only have three powers.

Once you hit higher levels you have a crap ton of abilities do pull from depending on your situation.


 

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Edit: also for a majority of stalkers range is better because they are bad. A good player really only need bu as and a follow up of their choosing, you can get that from any set.
Or because people are bad. Seriously, running behind bad people while spamming impale and actually getting a kill = so pro.