Pets at the BM: Bad Manners?


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Hehe... I think some people need to relax a little more... Put on your big boy/girl pants when going to the BM/WW and relax.

It's a big, tough world out there *nods patronizingly*


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I love mm's and play them lots including Demons but I can't stand them at the BM please put them away. I also hate people turning on their shields and people who buff others what is the point of that!?


 

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I don't really bother, but then again Zombies just stand there and drool on the floor, so it's not much of an issue for my main villain.

I also tend to hit the market first thing, so I don't have any pets out to begin with.


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With the ability to have minions zone with us, I generally keep them out at all times. However I usually 'Go to' them if I'm in a high traffic area, to someplace they won't get in the way.


 

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I had to drop in when I saw the thread title, because the gaggle of pets that sometimes makes it hard to click the Market contact is terribly annoying. I don't appreciate the demons roaring in my face every two seconds either, anymore than I liked the sound of Psi Shockwave or whatever it was on autofire.

If you can use the the "goto" and "stay" commands to get them to hang out somewhere else while you shop...awesome. Thank you. More MM players need to be made aware of this.

Barring that, we need a fence. An anti-pet fence all around WW and the BM. They can wait outside making sad pet faces at their owners. Anyone who tries to summon a pet inside the fence is probably being a ***** and gets a shock, like from the Blue mitos, only it persists through zoning and death and only jumps to them and their pets.


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At Cap au Diablo I will use the go to command. I usually dismiss them altogether if I will be there awhile. At any other BM I may or may not make them go stand in the corner. My pets are ninjas though. So they are small, well disciplined, and silent killers. Not like those howling heathens that other people bring to the BM.

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I think the demons make far too much noise when they're standing still.

My first introduction to demon summoning was at the Facemakers in Cap, and a Demon MM came and stood next to me while they changed their costume. I could hear all the blazing and howling whilst on the costume screen with no idea what it was. (Well, a pretty good guess since it was the first or second day of the new issue )

On my Ninja or Thugs MM I take my pets to the black Market with me. I also turn off stealth auras and Dispersion Bubbles by habit when Im there. So I think I'd de-summonany demons if I ever got around to playing a demon MM.
Ha, ha. I know exactly what you mean. I was respecing a toon like 20 feet away from the BM in Cap au Diablo and I kept hearing these crazy noises. I thought we were under zombie attack and that I was going to die mid-respec. It was freaking me out!


 

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The solution is to transfer to Liberty. I'm the only one that plays villains there.
NOt true, I have a few villains on Liberty. Most of mine are on Guardian though.


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I'm somewhat new to masterminds myself. I pre-ordered GR so I could get demon summoning and I love the set. But I have heard people's complaints about masterminds being at vendors with their henchmen out, so lately I've made it a point to dismiss my demons if I'm at a vendor or traveling. I've even done team missions on a cramped underground map with... >gasp<... no henchmen!
Take care doing that. It's rare, but some people are jerks who train enemies down upon the unsuspecting. And in Sharkhead you may run across a miner strike lead by Scrapyard while vending. henchmen in defensive mode helps protect you from such events.


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I believe BM/WW should have the power supression coding like the one room in AE.

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Wouldn't matter. Pets that are already summoned stay summoned in the power supression room.

Now, I do tend to leave pets out when I stop at the black market. however I also tend to approach it from an angle that will give others access. Is having a few pets near the BM really that much more annoying then having 6 or more players just camping right next to each of the BM venders for ten minutes? With pets, you can request the mastermind send them further out. With other players, well they tend to get really rude if you dare suggest they are blocking access.


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I love mm's and play them lots including Demons but I can't stand them at the BM please put them away. I also hate people turning on their shields and people who buff others what is the point of that!?
You hate people who have their defensive toggles on at the BM? Why is that? Do you seriously think everyone needs to turn off every power before they can shop?

"Oh no, that brute has his defenses on while shopping, he's so ruining my game"

And what about when stuff like zombie apocolypses happen? At which point those defenses you insisted be turned off would have given time to start fighting back.


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Perhaps the Mastermind is role-playing knowing that it aggravates other villains. It's not like villains have a whole lot of ways to express their inner villainy in Rogue Isles. Pissing off the shoppers at BM might one way to let your inner evil shine....


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I guess I'm more in the "put on your big boy pants and don't worry about it" camp. It's annoying if someone leaves an aura on at the BM or if there's 30 pets crowded around, but it's never stopped me from actually using the BM.

Now back when there was like 5x the population there is now (at least on the server I play on most), there regularly would be a lot of auras and pets around the BM, and I would dismiss my pets. However if there just 3 or so folks using the BM, as there often is now, I don't really bother. A few bots aren't bothering anyone, and I've never had a complaint.


 

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You hate people who have their defensive toggles on at the BM? Why is that? Do you seriously think everyone needs to turn off every power before they can shop?

"Oh no, that brute has his defenses on while shopping, he's so ruining my game"

And what about when stuff like zombie apocolypses happen? At which point those defenses you insisted be turned off would have given time to start fighting back.
Yes please Ill let you know when the zombies are coming.


 

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Yes please Ill let you know when the zombies are coming.
lol I've never seen the BM or Wentworths to be as laggy as people claim. Sure during test server pocket D parties it's laggy as heck. But then again you also have each instance of Pocket D filled to capacity with everyone having their pets, toggles and any location aoe they feel like casting going on. Wentworths and the black market have never been that bad.

You don't want pets out because you can't target the BM vender? Uh, hate to break it to you but other players would cause just as much problems. And your not going to get the players to vanish while their shopping. When there's 20 people crowded around the Cap Au Diablo BM, one mastermind's pets wont be making much difference in regards to your reaching the vender. Heck, that one mastermind might be having trouble clicking on the vender due to players.


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lol I've never seen the BM or Wentworths to be as laggy as people claim.
Perhaps you have a better computer and internet connection than those people who have lag problems. Isn't it possible, indeed, isn't it likely, that some people are subjected to this problem and not simply making it up?


 

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Honestly, I haven't seen anyone claim that it bogs down their computer. I've only seen it raised as a possibility for other hypothetical people.
No one in this thread, at least.

I do have an SG mate who would get too bogged down by full teams, never mind MMs (he has, since, upgraded though).

Again this isn't anything I actually have strong feelings about... And my post about "big boy/girl pants" was entirely in jest... Despite the negative rep it got, haha. Ooh, careful what you say... anonymous comments may come your way Good thing I am wearing my big boy pants, heehee

Anyways... Yeah, some people have really low end systems (And/Or crank their settings up too high for good performance)... But a few pets really don't add up to alot. Formerly being one of them, people with low end systems know they have to do what they can to get by and that burden is on them.
Sure... If I can help... I am happy to (So long as it doesn't drastically cut into my reasonable fun, of course). The requests do need to be somewhat reasonable though... and I am not convinced this is one of them (I'd be happy to admit otherwise though, if someone knows better).


EDIT: Still... My only issue with pets at the BM are simply being in the way. Which is why I always position them to either be far away or, at the very least, not near the NPCs we need to click.


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Honestly, I haven't seen anyone claim that it bogs down their computer. I've only seen it raised as a possibility for other hypothetical people.
Happened to me. When the market first hit, accessing the market was to be done on a clean login only; move to the market, log out, log in, use market, log back in, use market, hooray.

Then I upgraded, and it became less unreliable, but still a 50/50.

Now, my computer is all super nifty and all that, but I don't imagine I'm the only person who had problems with the market interface, and I doubt everyone who has those problems has had them upgrade so readily.


 

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I've never minded pets at the BM in the past but the sheer size of a couple of the demon summoner dudes is fairly annoying. I dislike having to mouse around the screen trying to find a spot where I can access the market. The sounds are bad too, but for that i can just take off my headphones.


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Happened to me. When the market first hit, accessing the market was to be done on a clean login only; move to the market, log out, log in, use market, log back in, use market, hooray.

Then I upgraded, and it became less unreliable, but still a 50/50.

Now, my computer is all super nifty and all that, but I don't imagine I'm the only person who had problems with the market interface, and I doubt everyone who has those problems has had them upgrade so readily.
Oh, but that was the market interface.
My wife and I both absolutely suffered from that as well. In fact, heh, I stopped using the market altogether for a good while (Or bad while, so to speak) simply because I did not want to have to deal with the never loading, crashing, that was guaranteed to happen when opening the screen (And possibly each next attempt). It was a sure 15 minute investment of time just to possibly start using the market... no thanks!

But yeah... I can't say pets impacted that at all, for us.
Whether they count in that hopeful every little bit helps is possible though.

I think all we need is an exorcist for the annoying demons.
Maybe a temporary power you can get from a trial.

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[EXORCISM] - You have the power to banish demons back to their own realm. This can only be used on other players' pets and will remove one recipe from your inventory for each pet you banish. Recipes will be removed in order of highest price.


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Perhaps you have a better computer and internet connection than those people who have lag problems. Isn't it possible, indeed, isn't it likely, that some people are subjected to this problem and not simply making it up?
People have been known to attribute as much lag as a Hammi raid, Rikti Mothership raid, or a party on test server thrown by the devs. And I've never seen that. Not before upgrading my computer, or since. Even when there's a lot of people at wentworths or the black market running all their powers, it's not been as laggy as people claim.

Granted, I have a 1.5 Mbs connection speed. But I've teamed with people on dialup who said they had no problems. The only real lag THEY encountered were Arachnos base maps and loading time.

I initially first bought a graphics card after issue 7 came out. And that was because graphics improvements had made the game nearly unplayable villain side with the built in graphics chip. And the card I bought was a Radion X300. Not the best card on the market by a long shot. No real problems using that when the markets got added. And that was with dozens of people at them at least, and everyone running their high particle toggles. Now I have a radion X1600, and naturally there's even fewer problems.


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I have two chars, one redside and one blue, that are my market players. I often spend a lot of time on one or the other at the market. If someone stands there blasting noisy PBAoEs or with demons out I have a simple rule.

I one star them and label them an A**hole in the comment field. Just for future reference.


 

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I have two chars, one redside and one blue, that are my market players. I often spend a lot of time on one or the other at the market. If someone stands there blasting noisy PBAoEs or with demons out I have a simple rule.

I one star them and label them an A**hole in the comment field. Just for future reference.
And that's more an annoyance factor. This I can understand. There's nothing more annoying to me then an auto cast Healing Aura. Pets (or players) blocking access to the market is a valid complaint. "Pets create lag" however to me isn't a valid complaint. If my ninja are giving you lag cause I'm at the market, you should probably upgrade your computer for other reasons.


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I stop a fair distance from the BM, tell the pets "STAY!" and then go about my business at the BM. When I leave I tell them to follow. All good.
I do this as well.


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