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Don't focus on +regen bonuses, they're too small to make a difference in the ocean of regen that is RttC & Fast Healing.|
Originally Posted by Agonus
Looking for suggestions on a purple-less SS/WP build focusing on Regen. Travel will be Flight, and the Mu PPP would be neat but isn't that important if something else will work better.
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Here should be your priorities for building a WP Brute, in order of importance:
- +Typed Def, starting with SM/L and branching out from there. (min 30% for SM/L, you can try for softcap but it requires sacrifices - I went for 30% +Darkest Night)
- +HP, this will increase your regen capabilities as a side effect.
- As much recharge as your primary requires to have a decent attack chain.
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Ah. I seem to have misinterpreted what I've read then. So suggestions for IO sets and the like?
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Don't focus on +regen bonuses, they're too small to make a difference in the ocean of regen that is RttC & Fast Healing.
Here should be your priorities for building a WP Brute, in order of importance:
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Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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Numi & Perf Shifter should cap you on 1.88%|
Originally Posted by Agonus
Ah. I seem to have misinterpreted what I've read then. So suggestions for IO sets and the like?
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Kinetic Combat in your attacks will add both +SM/L Def and 1.5%.
LoTG x3 will add 1.13%
I suggest you get http://www.cohplanner.com/ mids character planner and play around it a bit. It will help you get a feel for the sets, and let you customize the build to your liking.
Here is my defalut slotting for WP. Mainly +HP and +Regen. Attacks can be used for whatever you wish. Can slot Kinetic combat for extra S/L defense, purples for recharge. Now granted no fly for travel power but for me I would rather give up the easy travel mode for a little extra defense as well as a spot to put some more LoTG sets.
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Level 34 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Villain Profile:
Level 1: [Empty]
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Numna-Heal(3), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(3), Numna-Heal/Rchg(5)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(5), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(7), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(7)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(9), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(9), RgnTis-Regen+(11), Mrcl-Rcvry+(11), Mrcl-Heal(13)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(33), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(33), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(19), Numna-Heal/Rchg(23)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), HO:Golgi(19)
Level 18: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(31), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(33)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-EndMod(21), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(34)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(A), P'Shift-EndMod(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(25), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(27), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 26: [Empty]
Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 30: [Empty]
Level 32: [Empty]
Level 35: [Empty]
Level 38: [Empty]
Level 41: [Empty]
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Ninja Run
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Those are all very expensive sets, if you want to go a little cheaper try the following:|
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Numi & Perf Shifter should cap you on 1.88%
Kinetic Combat in your attacks will add both +SM/L Def and 1.5%. LoTG x3 will add 1.13% I suggest you get http://www.cohplanner.com/ mids character planner and play around it a bit. It will help you get a feel for the sets, and let you customize the build to your liking. |
Smashing Haymaker (smashing/lethal for 4 pieces)
Reactive Armor (e/ne for 3 pieces, smash/lethal for 4)
Thunderstrike (e/ne - 2.5% at 3 pieces, +1.25% at 6)
Smashing haymaker only gives you half the bonus that kinetic combat does but the IO's tend to be a lot cheaper. Reactive armor can be slotted in both Mind over Body and Tough.
You can also increase smashing/lethal with Touch of Deaths in melee attacks and obliteration in footstomp. These sets are primarily melee def sets but you get half the value in smash/lethal. You also get 5% recharge from Obliteration, although that one is likely to be pretty expensive.
You also want to pick up boxing/tough/weave (or kick, whichever floats your boat) - Tough gives you a nice boost to smashing/lethal resists and is worth far more than you would think, plus it lets you slot a second reactive armor set. Weave adds a decent amount to all your def. Adding two toggles is going to push up your end usage a lot but WP can stack stamina on top of quick recovery, so end is not as much of an issue.
Globals: @Midnight Mystique/@Magik13
i actually posted this in another thread, that no ones helping me out but this build I did about a year ago and it worked so awesome, I never had a single problem ever. Lately it's been failing. .92 end a second btw for me is already a lot, but I make it work. It just seems like something is not working the past month and it's not performing well against a couple of EBS at a time, like it used to. Not sure what happened. Hard to respec with some of these sets I have, without losing them and like I said it worked SO well for so long. I used to go afk and let big groups of level 54s beat on me for about a minute before having to actually do anything. Anyone have any ideas? I only bring this up because you said not to do regen, but it was working so well. I mean the health bar barely moved.
Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Punch P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(3), P'ngS'Fest-Stun%(7), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(9)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(11), ImpArm-ResDam(11), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(13)
Level 2: Haymaker KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 4: Fast Healing Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Air Superiority KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/Dmg(21)
Level 8: Knockout Blow Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23)
Level 10: Indomitable Will LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(46)
Level 12: Swift Run-I(A)
Level 14: Boxing P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(25), Numna-Heal/Rchg(25), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Numna-Heal(27), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(29)
Level 18: Mind Over Body ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(29), ImpArm-ResDam(31), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 20: Quick Recovery Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(31), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(33), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(33)
Level 22: Health RgnTis-Regen+(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(37), Numna-Heal(37), Numna-Heal/Rchg(37)
Level 24: Stamina Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-EndMod(40), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(40)
Level 26: Rage GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(46), GSFC-Build%(46)
Level 28: Heightened Senses LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 30: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 32: Foot Stomp Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), Armgdn-Dam%(36)
Level 35: Tough RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50), RctvArm-EndRdx(50)
Level 38: Weave LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), EndRdx-I(40)
Level 41: Gloom Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 44: Resurgence RechRdx(A)
Level 47: Dark Obliteration Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Strength of Will S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 0: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
2% DamageBuff(Smashing)
2% DamageBuff(Lethal)
2% DamageBuff(Fire)
2% DamageBuff(Cold)
2% DamageBuff(Energy)
2% DamageBuff(Negative)
2% DamageBuff(Toxic)
2% DamageBuff(Psionic)
11.8% Defense(Smashing)
11.8% Defense(Lethal)
5.19% Defense(Fire)
5.19% Defense(Cold)
7.38% Defense(Energy)
7.38% Defense(Negative)
6.75% Defense(Psionic)
7.38% Defense(Melee)
8% Defense(Ranged)
7.38% Defense(AoE)
2.25% Max End
42% Enhancement(Accuracy)
12% Enhancement(Heal)
15% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
5% FlySpeed
253 HP (16.9%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
MezResist(Held) 6.05%
MezResist(Immobilize) 6.6%
18.5% (0.31 End/sec) Recovery
134% (8.39 HP/sec) Regeneration
2.52% Resistance(Fire)
2.52% Resistance(Cold)
3.13% Resistance(Negative)
5% RunSpeed
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Set Bonuses:
Pounding Slugfest
(Punch)
8% (0.5 HP/sec) Regeneration
1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)
2% DamageBuff(All)
Numina's Convalescence
(High Pain Tolerance)
12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
Impervium Armor
(High Pain Tolerance)
2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
1.88% Defense(Psionic)
Kinetic Combat
(Haymaker)
MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
22.5 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
3.75% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Melee)
Numina's Convalescence
(Fast Healing)
12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
6% Enhancement(Heal)
Kinetic Combat
(Air Superiority)
MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
22.5 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
3.75% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Melee)
Hecatomb
(Knockout Blow)
4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
Luck of the Gambler
(Indomitable Will)
10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Numina's Convalescence
(Rise to the Challenge)
12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
6% Enhancement(Heal)
MezResist(Held) 3.3%
3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
Impervium Armor
(Mind Over Body)
2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
1.88% Defense(Psionic)
2.25% Max End
Efficacy Adaptor
(Quick Recovery)
16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
Numina's Convalescence
(Health)
12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
Efficacy Adaptor
(Stamina)
16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control
(Rage)
5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
Luck of the Gambler
(Heightened Senses)
10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
MezResist(Held) 2.75%
7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Scirocco's Dervish
(Foot Stomp)
10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
3.13% Resistance(Negative)
9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)
Reactive Armor
(Tough)
MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)
1.25% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.63% Defense(Melee)
1.25% Defense(AoE), 0.63% Defense(Fire), 0.63% Defense(Cold)
Luck of the Gambler
(Weave)
10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
Apocalypse
(Gloom)
16% (1 HP/sec) Regeneration
Devastation
(Gloom)
12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration
Positron's Blast
(Dark Obliteration)
2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
Ragnarok
(Dark Obliteration)
4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
Steadfast Protection
(Strength of Will)
3% Defense(All)
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Only one person so far said to not focus on regen. I tend to get my regen as high as possible with +regen and +HP. I have had several people ask how I am slotting because their WP cannot do anything close to what mine can do.
well if you could be so kind as to take a look at mine. Mine was like a killing machine that was unstoppable but these past few weeks something odd.. like the sets aren't working right suddenly.
Well just minor changes will add around 100 hp and some extra regen. However, I have never been able to just sit there while lvl 54s pounded on me and survive for long so not sure how you managed before unless somehow the mobs were AE mobs with just low damage S/L attacks or something.
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Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(3), P'ngS'Fest-Stun%(7), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(9)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(11), ImpArm-ResDam(11), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(13)
Level 2: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), RgnTis-Regen+(17), Mrcl-Rcvry+(27), Mrcl-Heal(29)
Level 6: Air Superiority -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/Dmg(21)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(46)
Level 12: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 14: Boxing -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(25), Numna-Heal/Rchg(25), HO:Golgi(27)
Level 18: Mind Over Body -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(29), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(31)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(31), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(33), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(33)
Level 22: Health -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(37), Numna-Heal(37)
Level 24: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-EndMod(40), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(40)
Level 26: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(46), GSFC-Build%(46)
Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), Armgdn-Dam%(36)
Level 35: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50), RctvArm-EndRdx(50)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), EndRdx-I(40)
Level 41: Gloom -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Apoc-Dam%(43), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 44: Resurgence -- RechRdx(A)
Level 47: Dark Obliteration -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Strength of Will -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 0: Ninja Run
They are AE but they are actually really hard. I make stuff impossibly hard for myself heh.
They are purples.I seem to do better against reds. Even with my accuracy bonus sometimes I just can't hit them enough unless i use rage (when purple ebs.)
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Originally Posted by EricHough
Those are all very expensive sets, if you want to go a little cheaper try the following:
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Only one person so far said to not focus on regen. I tend to get my regen as high as possible with +regen and +HP.
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They way I choose what I'm going to add is by checking each item individually in mids, and for a WP build, tiny regen bonuses generally aren't worth it (if you get them incidentally, it's gravy on top, but I don't look to add them specifically).
They will add nowhere near the survivability that +HP or +DEF will. It's not even remotely close.
Unfortunately I can't access mids at the moment, I'll post some examples later today.
actually I had an hp based WP build and the one with the regen does a lot better for me. I've been having some weird problems lately not related to that but just a feeling like i have no enhancements in, might be the architect.
Anyway with like stomp, air superiority and knockout blow, those times enemies go down or from the ghost widow attacks and them missing me, i regen 100s of hp a second so it helps a lot in that way, if you have knockdown anyway. Although my other build which had nearly nothing for knockdown and just a lot of hp, seemed to suffer and it had higher defense bonuses. It's so confusing.
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.707 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Natural Brute Primary Power Set: Super Strength Secondary Power Set: Willpower Power Pool: Flight Power Pool: Fitness Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Punch -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(3), P'ngS'Fest-Stun%(7), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(9) Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(11), ImpArm-ResDam(11), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(13) Level 2: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50) Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), RgnTis-Regen+(17), Mrcl-Rcvry+(27), Mrcl-Heal(29) Level 6: Air Superiority -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/Dmg(21) Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23) Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(46) Level 12: Swift -- Run-I(A) Level 14: Boxing -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A) Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(25), Numna-Heal/Rchg(25), HO:Golgi(27) Level 18: Mind Over Body -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(29), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(31) Level 20: Quick Recovery -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(31), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(33), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(33) Level 22: Health -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(37), Numna-Heal(37) Level 24: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-EndMod(40), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(40) Level 26: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(46), GSFC-Build%(46) Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42) Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(45) Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), Armgdn-Dam%(36) Level 35: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50), RctvArm-EndRdx(50) Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), EndRdx-I(40) Level 41: Gloom -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Apoc-Dam%(43), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45) Level 44: Resurgence -- RechRdx(A) Level 47: Dark Obliteration -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48) Level 49: Strength of Will -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A) ------------ Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 1: Fury Level 0: Ninja Run |
I've looked at this build in Mids, and I have to say I really don't understand the build goals at all.
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Nor do I. I was just doing what I could to stick to the same powers as the original post by BloodFury and make minor improvements to HP and regen.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
I've looked at this build in Mids, and I have to say I really don't understand the build goals at all.
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Ok I get what you are saying and agree. The way the sets are laid out, in most cases, if you do focus on just +regen you end up also getting +HP thrown in there already or at the cost of 1 more slot. In that reguard, focus on one, you get the other.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
And just to clarify, my point is that instead of chasing +regen bonuses (which are extremely tiny), that WP brutes should get more +HP Bonuses - because they increase your regen while also increasing the amount of damage you can absorb.
They way I choose what I'm going to add is by checking each item individually in mids, and for a WP build, tiny regen bonuses generally aren't worth it (if you get them incidentally, it's gravy on top, but I don't look to add them specifically). They will add nowhere near the survivability that +HP or +DEF will. It's not even remotely close. Unfortunately I can't access mids at the moment, I'll post some examples later today. |
Slotting for typed defense bonuses is not nearly as efficient as slotting for positional defense bonuses.
This is my build, copied from http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=205947
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Originally Posted by Shidosha
This is what I use, though I will add the disclaimer that it is likely prohibitively expensive (there are a couple multi-billion IOs in it among other things)
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.621 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Deadstone: Level 50 Natural Brute Primary Power Set: Super Strength Secondary Power Set: Willpower Power Pool: Fitness Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leaping Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Punch
Level 1: Brawl
Level 0: Ninja Run ------------ Set Bonus Totals:
Set Bonuses: Hecatomb (Punch)
(High Pain Tolerance)
(High Pain Tolerance)
(High Pain Tolerance)
(Haymaker)
(Mind Over Body)
(Knockout Blow)
(Health)
(Tough)
(Rage)
(Stamina)
(Rise to the Challenge)
(Combat Jumping)
(Super Jump)
(Fast Healing)
(Indomitable Will)
(Foot Stomp)
(Heightened Senses)
(Quick Recovery)
(Gloom)
(Gloom)
(Dark Obliteration)
(Darkest Night)
(Strength of Will)
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-Virtue-
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Depends on the character/build. Funny thing about the build you posted is the *ONLY* time your positional Defense is even used is for purely S/L Melee attacks. Every other instance of attack uses your Typed defenses. *ALL* non-Melee attacks and any Melee attack with even a fraction of F/C/E/NE damage is going against your Typed Defense numbers because your Positional Defenses are so low.|
Originally Posted by Shidosha
Slotting for typed defense bonuses is not nearly as efficient as slotting for positional defense bonuses.
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Maybe you posted the wrong build because the Defense numbers in your build certainly are working to disprove your initial point about Positional Defenses in this case...
S/L: 17.6%
F/C: 29.2%
E/NE: 23%
Melee: 19.4% (Used *ONLY* if the attack is typed pure Smash or Lethal)
Ranged: 8.2% (Never used!)
AoE: 11.3% (Never used!)
Edit: One last thing, if you change your slotting in Haymaker and Knockout Blow over to 4 Kinetic Combats + the Mako's Bite Quad and Triple, you go to using only Typed Defenses, have *MUCH* better numbers in the attacks and all you loose is your 2 3% global damage bonuses. Here's the new +Defense numbers with just this one change...
S/L: 21.3%
F/C: 29.2%
E/NE: 23%
Melee: 18.1% (Never Used!)
Ranged: 8.2% (Never used!)
AoE: 11.3% (Never used!)
More survivability, better Acc, End, and Recharge in two of your staple attacks for the net loss of 6% global damage and .79% Damage in each power.
Beowulf -
Too many Alts, not enough 50's. Story of my life...
You're definitely better off building for typed defense with wp, because wp gives you typed defense to start of with, specifically a decent amount of en/ne and f/c.
It's relatively easy to cap en/ne and f/c, and let your regen and resists deal with s/l damage, and thats a pretty survivable build against most of the game.
The other option is to cap s/l defense and get your e/n and f/c as high as possible. This will get you an even more survivable build, but you need lots of kinetic combats, the build is expensive, and you will have to sacrifice a bit of offense.
The best IO"s to look into regardless for a wp, imo, are numinas, luck of the gamblers, and reactive armors. The kinetic combats are needed if you are going for the s/l def option.
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Nor do I. I was just doing what I could to stick to the same powers as the original post by BloodFury and make minor improvements to HP and regen.
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Originally Posted by Shidosha
Slotting for typed defense bonuses is not nearly as efficient as slotting for positional defense bonuses.
This is my build, copied from http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=205947 |
1) That slotting is terrible.
2) Focusing on positional defenses only, you ended up with more Typed defenses in every single area except melee, which you only got an extra 2%.
That should tell you of how bad an option it is to go for positional defenses on a Willpower build.
Willpower gets typed defenses to build off of, make use of it.
@Beo - you're right, I did give an older build by mistake (I've been having no small issue with getting Mid's to actually load properly post i17). The build I use does have the kinetic combats in those powers.
TBH, I'm not even sure why I said what I did, since I clearly even went for typed defenses for f/c
-Virtue-
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No worries. It happens to the best of us and I'm definitely not near the best at making builds myself. >Grins< If nothing else it gave us a chance for other less experienced/knowledgeble lurkers to gaing a tidbit of hard won wisdom, eh?
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Originally Posted by Shidosha
@Beo - you're right, I did give an older build by mistake (I've been having no small issue with getting Mid's to actually load properly post i17). The build I use does have the kinetic combats in those powers.
TBH, I'm not even sure why I said what I did, since I clearly even went for typed defenses for f/c |
Beowulf -
Too many Alts, not enough 50's. Story of my life...
I usually focus on E/Ne defense on WP builds.
With Tough and Mind Over Body and regeneration I don't have to worry so much about S/L (though I do try to get at least some, so I'm not trying to resist everything), Fire and Cold attacks are some of the rarest in the game, so I don't worry about them too much.
I try to get E/Ne above 35%, and S/L to around 30% and call it good there. Between Heightened Senses and Weave my F/C defense usually ends up around 25% or so, which is usually enough.
I can't post any Mid's builds, but I like Eradication in PBAoEs for Willpower characters. It has a couple things that really help: A large chunk of E/Ne defense, and a 2.25% HP bonus (which is one of the larger ones you can get), I fill in the last couple slots with Scirocco's Acc/Rech and Dam/Rech for an extra 10% regen bonus.
Kinetic Combat is nice for S/L, and I like to fill in the last 2 slots with Smashing Haymaker (or whichever one gives an 8% regen bonus for 2 slots) in my ST attacks.
4xMocking Beratement is nice in Taunt for a little more S/L defense.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I usually focus on E/Ne defense on WP builds.
With Tough and Mind Over Body and regeneration I don't have to worry so much about S/L |
When they do come, they don't often come in enough quantity to overwhelm the regen on a well built WP.
So I generally try to focus on SM/L to get as much coverage as possible, and try to get ENE/NEG/Fire/Cold into the 25-30% range.
Eradication is a great set, for the reasons you mentioned. If you're going for as much defenses as possible.
However, I much prefer Oblit x5 or Armageddon x5 in Footstomp specifically, as you really do want the 6th slot to be the Force Feedback Proc.
I learned a lot from this thread. The survivability Analysis thread Dechs made (which I believe was linked here) Showed me just how much I would benefit from actually working on my defense numbers. I reworked my SS/WP build to include four sets of Kinetic Combat (yes I know how much it costs!) and my survivability skyrocketed. I also decided to switch from Mu Mastery for the great AOE farming to Soul mastery for the -tohit and set bonuses it could provide me. Now my brute sits with a loss of 10 global recharge, a net gain of about 100 hp, a targeted AOE tohit debuff, and an additional 20% Smashing/lethal defense.
The total price of this build will probably empty my pockets and then some, but the increased survivability will be far more than worth it when it comes to running SFs/TFs. Time to go farm those Cimerorans!
Edit: maybe Dechs' post wasn't linked here, but here it is: (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=226653)
Looking for suggestions on a purple-less SS/WP build focusing on Regen. Travel will be Flight, and the Mu PPP would be neat but isn't that important if something else will work better.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.