Level 50 Common IO's -- More than 2 = diminishing returns?

Hi guys, this is probably an easy one, so thanks in advance!

I remember from before IO's became popular, that you shouldn't put more than 3 SO's in a power, because any more than that yields diminishing returns.

I'm wondering if more than 2 IO's in a power will start giving Diminishing Returns in the same way at level 50 (or some other level).

Thanks!

from memory, except in rare cases where you're trying to sqeeze the last drop out of a power (Hasten), I don't put more than 2 of a 50 IO in any power.

Simply put, ED applies to enhancements.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement_Diversification

Scroll down to look at the chart for information on the various kinds of enhancements vs ED.

Yes, the IOs work the same way with diminishing returns. It doesn't matter how to get to the buff levels where DR kicks in. It will anyway.

If you want more damage, put in 2 level 50 Dmg IOs. Then put in a level 50 Dmg/Rech IO from some set. You get up to the max in damage buff plus recharge faster.

Even three even level SOs will turn in a little bit of those diminishing returns. You wind up loosing somewhere between 3% and 7% on the third SO.

You would wind up loosing a little more of the third level 50 IO, but probably not more than 20%.

All numbers estimated from memory. If there is a link that provides the hard numbers, you should certainly consult it. That being said, I doubt that the third level 50 IO is wasted like a fourth SO will be, but you will not get full value out of it, either.

The second level 50 IO will see a very minor reduction in effect. It'll lose 1.48% enhancement value. Level 45s will lose 1.1% enhancement value. Level 40s will lose 0.72% enhancement value. 35s lose 0.34% enhancement value, while a pair of 30s stay at full value.

Mind you, none of those combinations hit the actual ED cap (the point where extra enhancements drop in value by huge amounts). This cap is generally accepted to be 95%. A pair of level 50 generics will give you 83.32%, which is just about 12% less than the ED cap, so it's really up to the player whether that extra 12% is worth the extra slot and enhancement.

Edit to add: For reference, I used Mids to get my numbers and simple math to figure the differences. The third IO actually loses 26.64% enhancement value, more than half the IOs enhancement. It does put the total enhancement of the power at 99.08%, which is 1.85% more than 3 +3 SOs and 4.15% more than 3 even level SOs. Again, it's up to the player whether or not those increases are worth the investment. As mentioned, in Hasten, with its high base recharge, the extra 15% recharge enhancement that a third level 50 IO would give is often very worthwhile. Powers with lower values won't see that much of a difference, but some folks like to tweak builds to exact numbers, so even minor differences can be major improvements for such a person.

Again, these numbers are via Mids, so if there's something wrong with my math, it's probably from faulty information provided to me, since everything I did was simple addition/subtraction, and even then I did it with my laptops calculator so I don't screw it up somewhere.

You lose some of the third one, but if it's something important, go for 3. Better yet, use 2 and some cheap set piece you can put in there - 2 accuracy+2damage+1acc/damage is basically as good as 3 of each, and you save a slot.

That terminology always throws me, too. I THINK what he's saying is using triple and double IOs from the sets without paying attention to matching up the set pieces for the bonuses.

EDIT: Or what Aggy said.

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The good thing about the different numbers for the different schedules is that in terms of the number of enhancements used, you hit the cap at the same point for all of them - ie it takes the same number of A enhancements to hit 100% as it takes B to hit 56%, so you don't have to pay careful attention to the exact percentages - just get the number of enhancements correct (which at level 50 IOs is between 2.25 and 2.5)