looking for top 3 brute powersets


2Sly4U

 

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i'm reading on the forums about these brutes that are good for different reasons i want to see what you people say are the top 3 powersets for PVE and i'm looking for a AT with good ST & AOE's what would work really well for someone that solo's and occasional grouping.


 

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Fiery Melee: Best ST primary when paired with Shield Defense, with very respectable AoE In Fire Sword Circle.

Dark Melee: Best ST primary with or without Shield Defense, very little AoE

Super Strength: The best AoE Primary for Brute, hands down in Footstomp with Forced Feedback Recharge Proc

Electrical Melee: Second to Super Strength with Thunder Strike and Lightning Rod, best paired with Shield Defense

Dual Blades: Another decent AoE set, best paired with WP and Elec Armor.


 

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isn't SD kinda expensive and a pain to use ?


 

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Originally Posted by 2Sly4U View Post
i'm reading on the forums about these brutes that are good for different reasons i want to see what you people say are the top 3 powersets for PVE and i'm looking for a AT with good ST & AOE's what would work really well for someone that solo's and occasional grouping.
Do you want ST or AoE, those are different goals. If you want a balance, then Claws is great, fire is second, and Dual Blades is also pretty decent.

Single target dark melee is wonderful.

AoE, Electric and SuperStrength (it only has one AoE power, it's just that one is so good the rest of the set doesn't matter).

I will disagree with Kenshinhan about fire melee needing shield defense. Shield only matters for those who want AoE. Single-target fire is awesome with several choices of attack chains that don't need much recharge to get working. But the more you put into your build the better it works.

Super Reflexes is the easiest defense secondary to make work. Willpower is another one.

Claws Willpower is better on brutes than any other AT, and it does run a nice mix of single-target and AoE.


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Originally Posted by 2Sly4U View Post
isn't SD kinda expensive and a pain to use ?
No and no. SD works well enough on SOs and Lucks only. High-end top performance SD builds are expensive indeed, but then again, any high-end builds are. My Elec/SD brute costed my around 200-250 mil and it has softcapped defense, sustainable endurance and some global reacharge (30% iirc).
And I can't see how SD can be a pain to use. Please clarify that.


@Scorpio EU

 

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Originally Posted by Kenshinhan View Post
Fiery Melee: Best ST primary when paired with Shield Defense, with very respectable AoE In Fire Sword Circle.

Super Strength: The best AoE Primary for Brute, hands down in Footstomp with Forced Feedback Recharge Proc
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade View Post
Do you want ST or AoE, those are different goals. If you want a balance, then Claws is great, fire is second, and Dual Blades is also pretty decent.

I just want to chime in here on Fire Melee, as I think it's a mistakenly undervalued set for Brutes.

Going through my herostats logs, running ITFs repeatedly with both my SS/SD and FM/SD Brutes - I can tell you that from my logs the damage that both Footstomp and FSC put out over the course of the TF is roughly equal.

The FM/SD also has quite a bit less recharge than the SS/SD (I can't remember off hand but it's about 20-30% less recharge).

The major advantage the SS/SD has is the KD from Footstomp, which is very useful in extreme situations.

The major advantages the FM/SD has is the lower end cost ST attack chain, Fire as a damage type, and never suffers rage crashes.

Food for thought.


 

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Originally Posted by Scorpio_ View Post
No and no. SD works well enough on SOs and Lucks only.

And I can't see how SD can be a pain to use. Please clarify that.
Your first part of the paragraph clarified your question.


 

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Originally Posted by 2Sly4U View Post
i'm reading on the forums about these brutes that are good for different reasons i want to see what you people say are the top 3 powersets for PVE and i'm looking for a AT with good ST & AOE's what would work really well for someone that solo's and occasional grouping.
My personal Experiance playing Brutes.Id have to give a thumbs up to the following power sets.

Fire Armor
Fire Melee
Electric Melee
Electric Armor
Super Strength
War Mace
Battle Axe

The rest I feel you can take or leave, but thats only my opinion.


 

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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded View Post
Your first part of the paragraph clarified your question.
Using inspirations makes it a pain to use? Sorry, but that doesn't make any snese.


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I will get on the Fiery Melee train here. It has ST, AoE, a cone, Hard hitters, and reasonable endurance costs. For sure one of my fave primaries and one of the top performers. Unfortunately for some, all of that awesome comes at the effect of having no secondary effect outside of additional damage.

Superstrength is great, but can be tricky. It is easy enough to go permaRage, but the crash can be problematic depending on your secondary and playstyle. Skewed heavily towards ST, but Footstomp makes up for it in the end.

I think WM/BA are undervalued. They are both very balanced as far as ST,AoE are concerned, and have some useful mitigation for all secondaries. Stone melee is similar too, but can be thirsty.

ELM is very AoE oriented.
DM is ST oriented.
Dual Blades is ok, but I don't like that it doesn't feel like it has a heavy hitter.
Energy melee is bad. Hits hard, but you might wonder why it has to feel so gimped to do what it does.

I would say FM, SM, or SS for mixed group play.


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The best brute powerset for AOE is Levi Mastery. Just doesn't work too well with RttC in Willpower or any secondary that ties ur survivability to being right next to the mobs. Just pair it up with a primary that doesn't cause redraw and ur golden.


 

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I'd say Mu Mastery is way better for AoE damage than Levi, and Soul Mastery is better overall.

As for primaries, the best all-around set in my opinios is Claws. It has very high ST and AoE damage as well as some decent migitation in Focus and Shockwave, and a place for AH -Res proc. The only drawback is that it has pure lethatl damage.
I don't have much experience with BA and WM, but both sets look pretty good on paper, with latter appearing to be slightly better.


@Scorpio EU

 

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I haven't done official tests on FM vs DM. But FM is more DoT centric and thus shines best with the more +DAM you have. (Which is why a FM Brute > FM Scrapper because Fury affects DoT while Critical doesn't, and the +850% damage ceiling on Brutes)

So without Shields, FM loses the AAO +DAM Buff (and the KD AoE for some mitigation) and might lose out its king of ST damage without it(DoT ticks lower damage). Whereas DM has known to be king with or without it now ever since EM lost its effectiveness in Energy Transfer. It makes sense though, DM has very little if not any AoE, but a ton of utility. FM has barely any utility or mitigation and is straight damage and DoT.


 

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Originally Posted by Kenshinhan View Post
So without Shields, FM loses the AAO +DAM Buff (and the KD AoE for some mitigation) and might lose out its king of ST damage without it(DoT ticks lower damage). Whereas DM has known to be king with or without it now ever since EM lost its effectiveness in Energy Transfer

These are all by Bill Z in his "Results are in series".


http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=132894

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Now only level 50 basic IOs are used. No hasten.

Most attacks are slotted 1acc/1end-red/1rec-red/3dam

Several high recharge are slotted 1acc/1end-red/2rec-red/2dam

Buffs (blindingfeint, followup, rage, souldrain, buildup) have 3 rec-red

Brute Fiery 172.6 3.1
Brute Energy 157.5 3.3
Brute Claws 149.5 2.9
Brute Warmace 148 3.7
Brute Dark 143.7 3.1

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=132369

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
All attack chains set at a total recharge value of 250%. If that level of recharge left gaps in the chain, those gaps were calculated and added to the total chain time.

All attacks were given 33% endurance reduction for EPS calculations.

250% recharge on BuildUp gives it a 37% uptime

90/3.5 = 25.714 I made the assumption that the BU buff started instantly but the recharge didn't start until after the cast time was completed. Cast for BU is 1.32 + 25.714 = 27.034 of which 10 seconds is 36.99%, round up to 37 seconds. Build for brutes is 80%. Therefore, average damage gain from BU for a brute is .37*base*.8

Soul Drain uptime follows the same logic. 2.508 cast; 34.286 recharge; .81535 uptime

Soul Drain checked for 10, 3 and 1 enemies.

Brute Dark w/ 10 222.7 4.53 EPS
Brute Stone 218 5.2 EPS
Brute Fiery 213.2 3.83 EPS
Brute Strength 212.6 4.59 EPS
Brute Energy 207.4 3.84 EPS
Brute Warmace 203.4 4.71 EPS
Brute Dark w/ 3 201.7 4.53 EPS
Brute Dark w/ 1 194.7 4.53 EPS
So Dark pulls ahead with a total recharge value of 250% and 10 enemies for soul drain, and comes out a touch lower in other situations.

So for the most part it's a discussion of AoE vs. Utility


 

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I dont see why SM is not listed as one of the top 3, straight out of the gate.


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Basicly find a build that feels right for you to use, that feels comfortable
and you can say to your self "Yeah this feels right" Take the advice of the
veterans here (Some thing I'm not) but don't abide to it like it was from
some holy script find what's good for you other wise you wont enjoy the
game as much useing a Toon that just dosen't feel right.

Me I found my self comfortable using Axe/Shield & Axe/Willpower.
Mostly becouse you simply just toggle your defence powers on and just
forget about them and just whack away with your axe which for me has
an awsome animation with its attacks but then again that's just my view.

But don't be drawn into going for a set becouse other people say it's the
best find what works best for you and your style of playing.


 

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Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch View Post
I dont see why SM is not listed as one of the top 3, straight out of the gate.
BillZ didn't have a good attack chain for Stone at the time. Someone further into the thread got something arounf 159DPS placing SM secind on the list.


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Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch View Post
I dont see why SM is not listed as one of the top 3, straight out of the gate.

I only included a portion of Bill Z Bubba's results, specifically the parts where Fire and Dark were concerned.

It's a great set, and the idea of 3 "best" powersets is extremely subjective.


 

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Originally Posted by Logan Storm View Post
Basicly find a build that feels right for you to use, that feels comfortable
and you can say to your self "Yeah this feels right" Take the advice of the
veterans here (Some thing I'm not) but don't abide to it like it was from
some holy script find what's good for you other wise you wont enjoy the
game as much useing a Toon that just dosen't feel right.

Me I found my self comfortable using Axe/Shield & Axe/Willpower.
Mostly becouse you simply just toggle your defence powers on and just
forget about them and just whack away with your axe which for me has
an awsome animation with its attacks but then again that's just my view.

But don't be drawn into going for a set becouse other people say it's the
best find what works best for you and your style of playing.
this is true i sometimes forget i'm not playing WoW anymore lol
my main is a 44 db/nin stalker i just wanted to find something fun and good in the long run to try and play that can tank maybe i can get into it lol


 

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Originally Posted by 2Sly4U View Post
this is true i sometimes forget i'm not playing WoW anymore lol
my main is a 44 db/nin stalker i just wanted to find something fun and good in the long run to try and play that can tank maybe i can get into it lol
Fire/Shield or Claws/Willpower. You can do awesome both single and aoe with both, both can tank, both are easy to be good enough and both reward nearly infinite amounts of investment by just getting better and better.

shortened short version: they are fun while you're broke, and once you have infinite money they are even better.


"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.

 

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Originally Posted by 2Sly4U View Post
this is true i sometimes forget i'm not playing WoW anymore lol
my main is a 44 db/nin stalker i just wanted to find something fun and good in the long run to try and play that can tank maybe i can get into it lol
Go Invul and never go anywhere else


 

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If you have money to burn, go for a Fiery Melee or Electric Melee Primary and the Shield Defense Secondary. Softcap its defense. You'll have one of the best tanking brutes in the game, plus great damage. Shield Defense has a power called Against All Odds that functions as a taunt aura, and it draws in a big pile of aggro. Combined with Shield Charge, your melee attacks, and Taunt, you'll find yourself drawing enemy fire like no one's business. Also, A softcapped Shield Defense Brute has added resistance and health that a Super Reflexes Brute won't have.

I like pairing Fiery Melee and Electric Melee with Shield for different reasons. Fiery Melee has the top ST damage, and having Shield Charge makes up for it's slight lack of AoE. Electrical Melee has plenty of AoE, and Shield Charge brings it to an obscene level. You have Both Lightning Rod and Shield Charge to play with, and can use Thunder Strike and Chain Lightning while your big booms recharge and never have to make a single ST attack.

Willpower is a GREAT set for people who solo, and it doesn't require much in the way of money to make a great build. It's biggest issue for a TANKING brute is that it has a weak taunt aura. Pairing it with Super Strength or Claws will make a well rounded character with loads of damage and survivability, but just about any primary works well with it. Oh, and it lacks a heal.

Invulnerability is the best Resistance set, and is another good choice for people who want to play a tanking Brute. I don't know off the top of my head how good Invincibility is as a Taunt Aura compared to others, but I've seen Invulnerability brutes pull off some amazing stuff. It works well with just about any Primary, like Willpower.


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