They each provide something different. Let's go down the list.
I don't usually use the pets, but you can take a look at them.
_Leviathan Mastery_ (Mako is a stalker anyhow)
Spirit Sharks:
A Cone KB.
Not something I would prolly use.
Water Spot:
Think of it as Tornado. 271.4 Smashing dmg over 30 seconds.
Some fun KB, -Def and you can slot the Achilles Heel -20 res proc. It fires pretty often, so is good for duels or AV/EB fights.
Hibernate:
Its Hibernate. Not great, not bad. Meh, my opinion. I would rather phase in PvP.
Spirit Shark Jaws:
Ranged Hold. Crits out of Hide. Usefull in PvP.
_Mace Mastery_ (The redraw on these powers are detrimental IMO)
Mace Blast:
Ranged Energy Blast that does KB
Mace Beam:
Sniper Ranged Energy Blast that does KB. Listed as Superior Damage
Disruptor Blast:
Targeted AoE. Moderate dmg
Web Cocoon:
Ranged Hold. No damage but it does -fly and -jump.
_Mu Mastery_ (If you want some more AoE, jump on this one)
Mu Bolts:
Ranged Damage
Zapp:
Sniper Ranged Damage. Listed as Extreme.
Ball Lightning:
Targeted AoE. Damage over time.
Electric Shackles:
Ranged Hold.
_Soul Mastery_
Dark Blast:
Ranged Damage
Moonbeam:
Sniper Ranged Damage. Listed as Superior dmg
Shadow Meld:
+Def clickie. Base of 20.3%, 90 seconds recharge, 15 second duration. Many people call it a Mini MoG. This is a good power to keep if you get hit by defense debuffs, since Nin only gets around 30% DDR.
Soul Storm:
Ranged hold. Listed to do more base damage than Shark Jaws. I still am confused why more people choose Sharks over this. Maybe some one will enlighten me.
Well there you go. There's a list of the 4 patrons. Choose a Power Set that matches your needs.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
Pine's a little off. Spirit Shark for stalkers is a single target blast that does KB. In PvP, it does tremendous damage from Hide.
If you're not planning on IO'ing out your character, I'd go Soul Mastery. Shadow Meld is a great boost to your defenses and Dark Blast is an excellent ranged attack. If you build to hit the soft cap, I'd probably go with Leviathan Mastery.
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Ah sorry, I have never really looked at it. I had the School of Shark's animation in mind when I was typing Spirit Shark.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
Soul for PvE, Leviathan for PvP.
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ok i took makos is it any good for pve or am i going to be screwed i'm working through the arc haven't gotten the powers yet.
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You can respec your patron now. So you can take Mako for your PvP build, and Soul or whatever for your PvE build if you want.
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ok i took makos is it any good for pve or am i going to be screwed i'm working through the arc haven't gotten the powers yet.
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Even if you don't, Mako is still just fine in PvE. Maybe not as good as Soul is, but still very handy. I ran it on my Nin/Nin and did fantastic.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
I don't know that any of the Pools will get you "screwed in PvE." There is little in PvE that is anything close to hard... and of the things that are, there are none that require you to have a Patron Power at all, much less a specific one!
oh ok because i've made mistakes before with picks on other toons and still haven't even gotten trials to get respecs yet theres just not that many people on red side to group with.
Well, the good news is that finishing the first patron arc gets you a respec, plus any veteran respecs you have, so you don't need to worry about the trials.
I mostly went with Mu Mastery on my Elec/Nin for concept, but it's nice to have Ball Lightning as a little extra AoE and her build doesn't need Shadow Meld for easy softcapping - for general-purpose PvE Soul Mastery is probably best due to having the best DPA patron attack (Dark Blast) and Shadow Meld, which is basically MoG-lite. Spirit Shark is nice enough in PvP that the current test ladder has a limit on Stalkers due to it. And the only positive thing I can say about Mace Mastery is that the pets are cute!
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i looked at soul and it doesn't make much sense for me to take it because its mostly if not all ranged attacks but maybe thats just me and the only things in leviathan that interest me are hibernate & the summon but once again maybe its just me lol.
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i looked at soul and it doesn't make much sense for me to take it because its mostly if not all ranged attacks.
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Ever have that one longbow eagle fly away from you? Wouldn't it be nice to smite him from afar? Dark Blast to the rescue!
There are other powers in there too, that are meant to supplement your abilities as a stalker. As mentioned: Shadow Meld can be a great way to save yourself from cascading defensive failure. Hibernate is nice in PvP, I'd imagine, but you have to be careful coming out of it. Also as mentioned, spirit shark does pretty over the top damage.
Mu can give you some extra AoE damage if that's what you're looking for. Also, I've heard that the Mu pet heals you.
Black Scorpion causes redraw. I hardly ever pick his powers on any character.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
That's the whole point to the patron/ancillary pools. They are designed to give you what your character is lacking, and in the case of stalkers, ranged damage is what you are missing.
Ever have that one longbow eagle fly away from you? Wouldn't it be nice to smite him from afar? Dark Blast to the rescue! There are other powers in there too, that are meant to supplement your abilities as a stalker. As mentioned: Shadow Meld can be a great way to save yourself from cascading defensive failure. Hibernate is nice in PvP, I'd imagine, but you have to be careful coming out of it. Also as mentioned, spirit shark does pretty over the top damage. Mu can give you some extra AoE damage if that's what you're looking for. Also, I've heard that the Mu pet heals you. Black Scorpion causes redraw. I hardly ever pick his powers on any character. |
stalkers and brutes get the mu striker i think which is just added dmg/end drain on enemies
so i should drop my arc for mako and start over on ghost widow then ?
i figured the way i fight i didn't think i needed ranged since most mobs don't live very long with my combos lol.
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you cant drop the arc, but you can select any patron pool unless you already went into one of the pools, if you already started the pool, the only way to change pools is a respec
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so i should drop my arc for mako and start over on ghost widow then ?
i figured the way i fight i didn't think i needed ranged since most mobs don't live very long with my combos lol. |
haven't gotten to any pools yet but still doing mako's arc. i'm still reading over all the pools on wiki i was checking it out and mu & soul look pretty good after reading abit more into it.
so when i finish mako's arc i can pick any patron pool and is it possible to change them on a respec or are they perma to the character ?
Mu Bolts 41 Ranged, Moderate Damage(Energy), Foe -Endurance
Zapp 41 Sniper, Extreme Damage(Energy), Foe -Endurance
Electric Shackles 44 Ranged, Minor Damage(Energy), Foe: Hold, -Endurance
Ball Lightning 44 Ranged (Targeted Area of Effect), Moderate Damage over Time(Energy), Foe -Endurance
Summon Adept 47 Summon Mu Adept: Ranged Moderate Damage(Energy)
Dark Blast 41 Ranged, Moderate Damage(Negative), Foe: -Accuracy
Moonbeam 41 Sniper, Superior Damage(Negative), Target -Accuracy
Soul Storm 44 Ranged, Moderate Damage over Time(Negative), Foe: Hold
Shadow Meld 44 Self: +DEF
Summon Widow 47 Summon Blood Widow: Melee Moderate Damage(Lethal)
it is possible to change patron pools via respecs
and stalkers get the night widow from soul mastery, blood widows are for brutes and VEATs
I'm going to throw my questions into this thread, since it pertains to the same topic.
I've never gotten a villain high enough to have a patron pet (I have a mastermind, but ... yeah), so I don't know anything about them.
How good are they? Which one generally the best? What is each one good at?
It looks to me that brutes/VEATs get the "minion," stalkers/corruptors get the "LT," and dominators get the "boss." Is that right? Do the health points for the pets scale accordingly?
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ok i got the soul pool so i wanna know if anyones got a good idea for a respec when i get to 50 that would include the change from speed to leaping pools and add in fitness pool not sure what else i should look for for my db/nin
the pets health is all the same so it doesnt really matter which pet you get
all patron pets have 15 min base rech and last for 4 min if they dont die
they arent super effective, but are nice added dmg and stuff
masterminds do not get any pets, but they do get a heavy hitting power (mastermind leviathan mastery can give you knockout blow, mastermind mu mastery can give you thunder strike)
I tend to recommend against taking the pet on a stalker, particularly if you're solo often. There's almost always another power you can take that'd be better used.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'm going to throw my questions into this thread, since it pertains to the same topic.
I've never gotten a villain high enough to have a patron pet (I have a mastermind, but ... yeah), so I don't know anything about them. How good are they? Which one generally the best? What is each one good at? It looks to me that brutes/VEATs get the "minion," stalkers/corruptors get the "LT," and dominators get the "boss." Is that right? Do the health points for the pets scale accordingly? |
And the only difference is the power selections available for them - they all have the same hit points. As for what are they all good at? A little added damage here or there; the Mu Mastery pet for Dominators can heal (as mentioned before in the thread), but my general feeling over them is "meh".
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Can some one clue me into why Sharks are more used in PvP than Soul Storm?
Sharks:
Rech: 32
Cast: 1.87
Damage: 168.6
Soul Storm:
Rech: 32
Cast: 2.17
Damage: 180.5
For a regen. I would have to say having Shadow meld has really helped me live longer in PvP.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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Can some one clue me into why Sharks are more used in PvP than Soul Storm?
Sharks: Rech: 32 Cast: 1.87 Damage: 168.6 Soul Storm: Rech: 32 Cast: 2.17 Damage: 180.5 For a regen. I would have to say having Shadow meld has really helped me live longer in PvP. |
Sharks damage mostly up front with a very small DoT, so the crit will be fore almost full damage.
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whats the best powerset for a stalker i'm a lvl 40 db/nin or does it matter ?