...and who are you?
im just a really bored COH player. im a member of tribe of legends, an ex member of hall of legends, ex leader of a side sg for hall of legends know as the crusaders (R.I.P), and possible starter of a side SG for tribe of legends. who by any chance are you?
Personally, I do not think you can rank a SG in any manner. Different strokes for different folks. I would say you can distinguish from "acceptable" and "unacceptable" but even that would be subjective. Some like large SGs, some like small, some prefer veteran players only, some prefer just friends. That's why there is so much variation out there, because there is a diversity of desires.
In my opinion, any SG that treats its members with respect and follows the ToS of the game is an "acceptable" group. No matter what ethical background you may have come from, the belief that you should treat others as you would have yourself to be treated always should apply. I think any SG that tries to convey such standards for its members is worthy of any Top 10 list, regardless however many SGs there are out there like that. Whatever rules that follow or admission standards is up to the SGs at that point.
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wow. that kinda made me cry. i agree with you completely. i only made this post so some of the lesser known SGs with kind members could get reconized as the great SGs and people they are
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Originally Posted by Chantress
Personally, I do not think you can rank a SG in any manner. Different strokes for different folks. I would say you can distinguish from "acceptable" and "unacceptable" but even that would be subjective. Some like large SGs, some like small, some prefer veteran players only, some prefer just friends. That's why there is so much variation out there, because there is a diversity of desires.
In my opinion, any SG that treats its members with respect and follows the ToS of the game is an "acceptable" group. No matter what ethical background you may have come from, the belief that you should treat others as you would have yourself to be treated always should apply. I think any SG that tries to convey such standards for its members is worthy of any Top 10 list, regardless however many SGs there are out there like that. Whatever rules that follow or admission standards is up to the SGs at that point. |
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Originally Posted by Chantress
Personally, I do not think you can rank a SG in any manner. Different strokes for different folks. I would say you can distinguish from "acceptable" and "unacceptable" but even that would be subjective. Some like large SGs, some like small, some prefer veteran players only, some prefer just friends. That's why there is so much variation out there, because there is a diversity of desires.
In my opinion, any SG that treats its members with respect and follows the ToS of the game is an "acceptable" group. No matter what ethical background you may have come from, the belief that you should treat others as you would have yourself to be treated always should apply. I think any SG that tries to convey such standards for its members is worthy of any Top 10 list, regardless however many SGs there are out there like that. Whatever rules that follow or admission standards is up to the SGs at that point. |
Well said.
+1
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In their current form, SGs are essentially meaningless. While I understand there are those tight knit SGs that are very happy as a group, they basically boil down to a group of friends (or a least a group that likes to team and/or chat together.) Global channels basically killed any need for this. It's easier and faster to just communicate via Global Channels which can be kept open or exclusive.
Super Groups are a signature part of Super Hero lore so we can only hope the Devs will eventually address this. Any character I play frequently gets moved to my personal super group (as in only my characters are in it) for ease of storage. Outside of team night set ups, like Isos or Children of Enos, there's very little reason to be in a SG.
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Well... Sides storage / moving things between characters.
I made heavy use of inspiration and enhancement storage. Shame the salvage storage bins are such a screwjob.
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Imagine the market if you could store 1000 pieces in one rack. It would be completely void of salvage.
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1000 might be a bit much, but i mean 1 lvl 50 with all the +inventory things (market badges and vanguard storage sack) can fill 3.5 salvage racks right now by themselves|
Originally Posted by The_Masque
Imagine the market if you could store 1000 pieces in one rack. It would be completely void of salvage.
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if the limit was increased to at least 80-150, then it wouldnt be as bad as 1000 (or before when it was unlimited) or as bad as 30 (where you can hardly hold anything)
Say, 50 per rack would be more reasonable. Let you trade/store a bit more for trading. As it is, Halloween salvage alone can easily fill that.
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I disagree with this. I understand that for a veteran player having your own SG just for storage may be all you need, but SGs also help newer players (or at least they SHOULD). It creates a sense of cohesion among a group of players.|
Originally Posted by Desmodos
... there's very little reason to be in a SG.
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Humans naturally group themselves. Even if it's not a "SG" per se, but SG is just one expression of this. Victory Badges is a group as well, not just a channel. To that extent Victory is a group. SGs are also a form of media as well.
I've heard many players comment that its hard to find a team in a less-active SG or that they even feel "left out."
Essentially for a player that has 60 something vet badges and knows hundreds of people and is wildly popular on the forums or whatever, I can see why a SG can be meaningless to them as other groups meet their needs. But not every player has access to those groups or the same connections.
And honestly, SGs also foster competition that hopefully is more often than not healthy.
Essentially SGs are a slightly more formal way for doing what we would do anyways, and that is create cliques and social groups. It serves that function. Something to work towards that is bigger than oneself. Yeah, it may not make much of a difference in your personal well-being or life, but neither does this game in general.
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I'm not entirely sure, but I believe I'm the antithesis of this reasoning in varying degrees
| Essentially for a player that has 60 something vet badges and knows hundreds of people and is wildly popular on the forums or whatever, I can see why a SG can be meaningless to them as other groups meet their needs. But not every player has access to those groups or the same connections. |
I've already forgotten about most of you
How so?
I'm not above self-deprecation to make a point 
The only SGs I belong to are my own; Isolator groups notwishstanding, but that's because someone can't think outside the box for it. An SG of individuals, known or random, is pointless to me and:
* I don't know 100s (or even dozens) of people in this game, much less have or use a steady, set pool of players to do my bidding. By choice.
* I certainly could never be labeled as "widly popular" in the forum or game. By choice.
* Groups don't meet my needs.
The current setup for SGs is annoying, cumbersome, and overall limiting as a whole. The concept was created before Globals/Global Channels and the vastly improved search/seek of team building we have now, and it kind of/sort of helped with teaming back in the day. The lack of investment (IMO) that has been put into SGs quickly made it lose it's intrinsic value. The fact that the *main* point of SGs has been long-shelved kind of adds to that sentiment. The feature may come back, but who really knows.
The best use of SGs I've ever found was for small groups of individuals who routinely played together anyway. And they could do that just as easily without the SG system. That and base building can be a fun time waster.
Some people do need SGs because it's an "easier" way for them to find people. I tend to be able to do things on my own, however.
I've already forgotten about most of you
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You've essentially made my point. No amount of imaginary popularity or perceived lack there of prevents you from participating on the global channels (or the forums for that matter.)|
Originally Posted by Chantress
Humans naturally group themselves. Even if it's not a "SG" per se, but SG is just one expression of this. Victory Badges is a group as well, not just a channel. To that extent Victory is a group. SGs are also a form of media as well.
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I agree with all the positive you've mentioned but reiterate that membership to a Super Group is unnecessary for any of it. While you can most certainly seek them out in a Super Group, they're more readily accessible outside of one.
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I've found global channels bothersome. I really don't care to be "in" on the more established channels out there, and likewise people often forget to put them on tabs on new characters, etc. The only two channels I'm involved in include VB which I primarily use to fill up extra slots on TFs I do with my SG, and the channel for my SG which is pretty much just for when we're playing on toons not in the SG at that given time.
It may be fallacious reasoning, but the point has to be made, if SGs are meaningless why are they used so much still?
As for the set-up being outdated, that I agree. Likewise, to be completely honest, the main reason I established a SG in the first place was so I could do my own base designs without worrying about some person with the red star messing up all my stuff. It just kinda grew up from that.
I think one extra component of a SG may sound completely nerdy, but some people just like the "feel" of being in one, of having a base, or having a theme, etc. Global channels cannot easily replicate that.
My SGs aren't going to lead any categories. All of them date back to 2005 or 2006, and are both well established, but don't have the active player bases that they used to.
I will claim one superlative, though. My villain group
The Worshipful Company of Blackguards
has the longest possible name.
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Well, that's a matter of opinion. I don't think they are actually used "so much". I don't even really think they ever were used that much.| if SGs are meaningless why are they used so much still? |
Yes, there sure are a whole lot of them. But how many are "active"? How many are filled with multiples of alts of the same people? I know when I do get around to teaming, I'm hard pressed to find characters from the same SG on the team (weekly groups notwithstanding).
You should give Globals more of a chance, but that's your perogative. I've found globals to be far more cohesive than SGs, and I know for a fact many SGs are splintered so badly they've had to use Globals to actually keep people connected.
As for themes, that's about the only thing going for SGs. It can include RP, PvP, costume/power, etc. I can't really attest to those ideas because I'm just not interested in that kind of collective. I'm not all that interested in being part of any collective, honestly, for reasons far more reaching than is necessary in this forum.
As I said, antithesis.
I've already forgotten about most of you
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Weren't you on a Tf with 6 of my members the other night, and a coalie? But I do understand. I consider my SG very active, but I do see many ones that are not active out there.|
Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
I know when I do get around to teaming, I'm hard pressed to find characters from the same SG on the team (weekly groups notwithstanding).
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I will take your advice and give channels more of a shot. I've been doing that a little more lately actually, just like how I've been giving the forums a shot (and have liked it so far).
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Originally Posted by Chantress
Weren't you on a Tf with 6 of my members the other night, and a coalie? But I do understand. I consider my SG very active, but I do see many ones that are not active out there.
I will take your advice and give channels more of a shot. I've been doing that a little more lately actually, just like how I've been giving the forums a shot (and have liked it so far). |
And I honestly don't know. Possible? Voodoo doesn't discriminate...he also doesn't remember so good.Just to poke a little fun, how come your coalition and you aren't in the same SG?
I've already forgotten about most of you
I think I did a Kahn with you, and I hadn't done it in like months, and like a noob I forgot what the purpose of the stabilizer was for and you had to remind me....
As for why that coalie is not in my SG? Well, he's difficult. KinTrollr-Girl or however he spells it likes to play the "lone-wolf" card, but we're pretty much the only people he TFs with. He's unofficial member, if we voted on stuff he would have voting rights.
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Dude! You remembered something from teaming with me, and it wasn't a sense of hate, rage, or depression!?!?!?!??!|
Originally Posted by Chantress
I think I did a Kahn with you, and I hadn't done it in like months, and like a noob I forgot what the purpose of the stabilizer was for and you had to remind me....
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We should totally team more then
I've already forgotten about most of you
um i havent been on in a while, but um... how did it turn from the whole influencial SGs to hating SGs and how they help new players?
now their are many SGs on this server that are not only kind to their members but to others as well. they make you want to be the best that you can be. so to honor these inspiring SGs we should reconize them. nominate SGs you think should be on this list and then tell why. i will list the top 10 who i truly think deserve it.