blaster powers: broadsword and katana
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2010-04-07 20:25 in Suggestions and Ideas
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So would defenders with sword be buffing you by stabbing you?
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Originally Posted by Predatoric
Ok Im sure this has been mentioned several times already but I know a lot of players want it and Im not quite sure why they havent already made a blaster version yet of swords.
Going by Warwitchs post as to how she said powersets get picked up I decided to answer her questions... 1. Little asset from art needed since there already in game, only power that would probably need changing is parry. 2. Not really a gaping hole but it is something a lot of people have been asking for, for a very long time, the fact it isnt already there is a bit of a hole. 3. It is already in the game anyway, it just needs moving over and reworking with numbers slightly but if you need a signature charecter that uses it, Spark Blade does even though hes not in game yet. 4. Players have been asking for gun/sword charecters forever, by putting swords on blasters you are letting them do that by picking either dual pistols or assault rifle as a primary power. Although a lot of players wouldnt see this as a major addition, I know a lot of players would use it simply because of the theme, so many heroes use swords and guns together, CoX you cant unless you buy the temp power revolver. |
not to mention, imagine the redraw issues...
I hate to rain on parades here... but I believe it's been made quite clear by the developers that they view the melee heavy Energy Manipulation as an aberration in the Blaster Secondaries, and that any future blaster secondaries will be more similar to Psionic Manipulation with less melee attacks and more blasting / status type effects to better fit the whole MANIPULATION aspect.
While the developers have not explicitly eliminated sword type weapons from coming to Blaster Secondary sets, the case is similar to Whips going outside of Masterminds. The developers won't say never... but it's pretty far down the list.
No.
We get these so often it feels like we should put a sticky about them.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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And Broadsword and Katana would fit the underlying theme of blaster secondaries HOW exactly?
Since you mentioned that the only power that would need changing is Parry, I can only assume you just want a straight port of the sets.
What about some kind of mitigation? Control? Anything aside from more attacks? No mention made of that at all. Dual Pistols/Broadsword (aside from spawning so many Dante wannabes it's not evenfunny) would be so slot hungry you'd have to either gimp half your attacks or skip them entirely. Add in the fact that you would get zero added survivability and you have a recipe for disaster.
And that's not even mentioning the fact that a sword is not the first thing that springs to mind when I think "blaster", and I'd imagine a lot of other people are the same.
So, no, bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Hey, what's wrong with that!|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
aside from spawning so many Dante wannabes it's not evenfunny
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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What aside from Serge tearing out his hair because everyone is buying red trenchcoats in lieu of any of the hundreds of other accesories he stocks?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Hey, what's wrong with that!
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Well, in my case I bought a white cloak, Solid Snake's camo suit, Sephirot's hair, Samurai Jack's sword, Konoko's backstory, Gideon's Ripper handguns and Dante's combat tips handbook. I firmly believe that if you rip off enough people, you end up with something that looks utterly original to anyone not privy to the inner workings of the plot |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
What aside from Serge tearing out his hair because everyone is buying red trenchcoats in lieu of any of the hundreds of other accesories he stocks?
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Oh, and Zero's no-nonsense approach to swordplay and jumping!By the way, re-reading the title gave me an interesting idea. If we are to have a Broadsword set for Blasters, then perhaps we should have a gun that shoots swords? It'd be like that old Gauntlet game I was too young to play
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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who said defenders? -.- blaster isnt defender. I said melee set for blaster secondary.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
So would defenders with sword be buffing you by stabbing you?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
If we are to have a Broadsword set for Blasters, then perhaps we should have a gun that shoots swords? It'd be like that old Gauntlet game I was too young to play
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No. Not even as a joke.
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Basically i see it as a set with extra damage and little manipulation ability because of it, which isnt such a terrible thing. You could give it a token manipulation power instead of parry, something along the lines of 'severe hamstring' for a slow of something of that catagory.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
And Broadsword and Katana would fit the underlying theme of blaster secondaries HOW exactly?
Since you mentioned that the only power that would need changing is Parry, I can only assume you just want a straight port of the sets. What about some kind of mitigation? Control? Anything aside from more attacks? No mention made of that at all. Dual Pistols/Broadsword (aside from spawning so many Dante wannabes it's not evenfunny) would be so slot hungry you'd have to either gimp half your attacks or skip them entirely. Add in the fact that you would get zero added survivability and you have a recipe for disaster. And that's not even mentioning the fact that a sword is not the first thing that springs to mind when I think "blaster", and I'd imagine a lot of other people are the same. So, no, bad idea. |
It would still be possible to get some damage mitigation from primarys if you wanted anyway, yes its going to be harder to use than other blasters sets, but its also going to be more rewarding.
Just because you imagine people making dante clones thats not enough reason to ban a set, you could say that about so many other sets like dual pistols for instance ss/inv spawning superman clones. Its going to happen with any set that takes a hero/villains powers either way.
As for gimping slots... well scrappers manage it fine and they have all there secondary pools to slot as well :P skipping attacks is common with any set, there arent many people i know that take any powers in energy manipulation other that build up, conserve power, boost range and total focus, yet its one of, if not the most popular blaster secondary.
With headsplitter and disembowel in there im pretty sure plenty of players would play it just for having two high powered attacks instead of the one regardless of mitigation, however if you dont like it, dont play it simple as.
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I do see your point with this i really do, but its not like it couldnt be reworked for a blaster set if manipulation was what they were aiming for. Theres plenty of options for a manipulation based set just from how you strike the enemy, as mentioned above 'severe hamstring' been one, theres also stuff like the -defence already in there as well so it would have usage, it would just be one of those harder sets to use.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
I hate to rain on parades here... but I believe it's been made quite clear by the developers that they view the melee heavy Energy Manipulation as an aberration in the Blaster Secondaries, and that any future blaster secondaries will be more similar to Psionic Manipulation with less melee attacks and more blasting / status type effects to better fit the whole MANIPULATION aspect.
While the developers have not explicitly eliminated sword type weapons from coming to Blaster Secondary sets, the case is similar to Whips going outside of Masterminds. The developers won't say never... but it's pretty far down the list. |
It would just make sense to use an idea already in game, already with animations there set up and just rework it to fit the manipulation set.
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I did realise they come up often, but not often about getting it as a blaster secondary thats why i mentioned it.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
We get these so often it feels like we should put a sticky about them.
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I dont understand why people are so against it on the boards, since the amount of players who actually want a gun/sword charecter in game is staggering. People seem much more likely to say the idea is bad because they cant see how it would be reworked, Im not saying its set in stone that it HAS to be a carbon copy of scrappers version, but it could use a lot of the animations it has and rename the powers and effects.
Plus it would give the devs a way to bring spark blade in
lol.
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No, actually, that is EXACTLY what comes up at least once a month - make either Martial Arts or Broadsword into a Blaster secondary as-is. Then I and a bunch of others have to come in and explain why that ain't gonna' happen even if we were to agree to it.|
Originally Posted by Predatoric
I did realise they come up often, but not often about getting it as a blaster secondary thats why i mentioned it.
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| I dont understand why people are so against it on the boards, since the amount of players who actually want a gun/sword charecter in game is staggering. People seem much more likely to say the idea is bad because they cant see how it would be reworked, Im not saying its set in stone that it HAS to be a carbon copy of scrappers version, but it could use a lot of the animations it has and rename the powers and effects. |
The reason you'll see plenty of people disagree with the idea adding Broadsword as a Blaster secondary, especially described as loosely as you have it, is that Blaster secondaries are not melee. They were at some point in Beta, but they are not now. They have melee attacks in them, but even the arguably most melee-heavy ones like Electric and Energy, still give you a few melee attacks early on and then focus on support. An intrinsically weapon secondary just CAN'T look right with a primarily support power selection. We're not talking about ONE support power instead of Parry. We're talking about at least four or five support powers - the bulk of the powerset. And unless you want to devise a Trick Sword powerset, that's really not feasible.
Personally, one of the ATs I REALLY want to see added to the game extra (hopefully with Going Rogue, even though that's unlikely) is some kind of melee/range FIGHTER combo. Dominators come kind of close, but they are decidedly NOT fighters. They may not be quite all the way support, but they're squishies nonetheless. There needs to be an AT hat allows me to pair melee weapons with ranged weapons. I just don't think Blaster is the right place to look for it.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I think the suggestion is ok. Probably not copying power sets directly from scrappers as it is, but modifying them such that they are more in line with the design of existing blaster's secondary sets. Actually, you did say the same thing in your subsequent posts.
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Because your first post probably implies to copy a scrapper power set to blaster as a secondary. Since this doesn't look right, people jranger it. Basically, if you say anything wrong, people will jranger the whole thing even if your idea is ok and just needs some modifications.
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Originally Posted by Predatoric
I dont understand why people are so against it on the boards, since the amount of players who actually want a gun/sword charecter in game is staggering. People seem much more likely to say the idea is bad because they cant see how it would be reworked, Im not saying its set in stone that it HAS to be a carbon copy of scrappers version, but it could use a lot of the animations it has and rename the powers and effects.
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Clearly, then, we need Sword Blast.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
I hate to rain on parades here... but I believe it's been made quite clear by the developers that they view the melee heavy Energy Manipulation as an aberration in the Blaster Secondaries, and that any future blaster secondaries will be more similar to Psionic Manipulation with less melee attacks and more blasting / status type effects to better fit the whole MANIPULATION aspect.
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Ok Im sure this has been mentioned several times already but I know a lot of players want it and Im not quite sure why they havent already made a blaster version yet of swords.
Going by Warwitchs post as to how she said powersets get picked up I decided to answer her questions...
The powersets are determined by a few factors:
- This is low-hanging fruit, with little assets from Art
- This new powerset can fill that gaping hole, it’s been a long time coming
- This is the powerset of X signature character, so it just makes sense to put it in the game
- This is something players have been asking for forever and now we have time to “do it right.”
As for your example, the difference in complexity between a simple thug and a demon (when you see it, you’ll understand why) are vastly different and since thugs were “mostly built” anyway, they were a logical choice because they existed on a rig we currently used and didn’t have any strange technical issues with. Now Demons…whole other story.2. Not really a gaping hole but it is something a lot of people have been asking for, for a very long time, the fact it isnt already there is a bit of a hole.
3. It is already in the game anyway, it just needs moving over and reworking with numbers slightly but if you need a signature charecter that uses it, Spark Blade does even though hes not in game yet.
4. Players have been asking for gun/sword charecters forever, by putting swords on blasters you are letting them do that by picking either dual pistols or assault rifle as a primary power.
Although a lot of players wouldnt see this as a major addition, I know a lot of players would use it simply because of the theme, so many heroes use swords and guns together, CoX you cant unless you buy the temp power revolver.