Eternal P A I N vs. Can I Get A Lock? (4/11)

Are you serious????

The matches we seen yall rofflestomped them...and yall refused to fite us last night...we asked you several times.

Shouldnt piss off a practice partner... Must suck to not get practice but your opponents get 5 good matches.

Those matches were not the jump team, we were testing out some other stuff. And you didn't see them.

As for you killing my tank one time. First of all it wasn't an official. Second of all I have never in my entire pvp career died 14 times in one match. Ever. Never. Even if I was afk rubbing one out I couldn't die 14 times in one match like you did. Perhaps I should get pff on my tank so I don't have to worry about learning how to evade.

hey remember that time i joined your bad team divine,
and you were calling,
and we were getting shot out.

then i called.
and no one wanted you to call ever again?

;-)

this goes into history: kat +1 divine -1

barrier you are bad stfu

Don't you have to be at least decent at something before calling someone else out on it?

frost elf d you broke my computer stfu

While I agree divine is terrible, you'd need a lot more than pff to survive.

I remember putting complete pugs together and shutting out their starting 8, anything is possible with that team.

Fake Nem PFF?

i was being sarcastic, inside joke :P

That's a reasonable intention, but it is easily exploitable to do fake a DC. So in other words, if it is an illegal move to have a secret player, it shouldn't be acceptable to run an new player/toon after a reset unless it is approved by the PvPEC rep that took the line-ups as well as both team captains for a player switch.

The DC argument is just a slippery slope all together. In our match for example tonight against CIGAL, we had multiple rule questions trying to be asked about in addition to a team player loosing his vent during the match. Unfortunately, we had to deal with half the group wanting to reset for the player switch dispute and the other half trying to get our teamates Vent fixed. The fact that I repeatedly called for a RESET a few secs outside of 60 secs did suck, but sh*t happens apparently.

Common sense is that these rules are not something we just threw together quickly and didn't give any thought to. If the rule is not there or if it is not stated specifically there is a reason. Lets discuss the reasons.

1. "All matches will take place in Pocket D, Freedom Server."

First of all my guys were in Pocket D. They were on hide which is their perrogative to do so. Secondly it doesn't say specifically that all players must be in Pocket D. The only reason that statement is even in there is because it was copied from an old set of rules from back when villains and heros were bugged from entering a match unless they were in the same zone. Last but definitely not least we just had a Captains meeting this week and discussed this exact rule and every captain including your own agreed we did not want to change it to be every person must be in Pocket D for several reasons. The main reason was due to the lag and people with bad connections. Your Captain should have told you this but apparently he didn't or this wouldn't have been an issue to begin with.

2.

"Each team is allowed one reset within 60 seconds of round start if a player did not load into the round, disconnected or loaded in off-team. Teams will play man down if required after their reset is spent. If a round is reset, the line-ups submitted for that round are to be played again with no alterations on the same map." AND "Only one player's account may be in a match at any given time."

It is written that way for several reasons. Number one is because 90% of the crashes that happen in the arena happen while zoning in to the arena. We allowed for switchouts with same AT during first 60 seconds intentionally. Calling it a loophole isn't fair because it was intentional. Second of all we didn't even call for the reset to switch someone out. Eventhough that person was lagging like crazy we were going to go ahead and fight it out. However Divine set the match for 20 minutes and being the rule is intentionally written to allow for a switchout in the first minute we took that opportunity to do so. The other reason its written that way is because to enforce it we would need proof. Do you have screenshots showing another player in that first match? Probably not. So why would we put a rule in there that we have absolutely no way of enforcing?

You may not agree with the rules and that is your perrogative. However the people that wrote the rules and the Captains enforcing them do so based on a much larger picture. Having tunnel vision will always make things seem unfair.

P.s.

QQ

A reset would not be the appropriate action to have taken anyways. If you thought we broke the rules then you ask for a forfeit afterwards. Typing "reset" in broadcast after time was up for a valid reset without any offer of why you were requesting the reset isn't going to get you a positive response. Also your team is the one who hosted that match and Rick had the star and shouldn't have clicked to start it until you got the clarification you needed. Or else started it, played it, then call for a forfeit.

Btw if you were to crash as you were loading in to the arena and not able to get back on wouldn't you appreciate some leeway in the rules so your team doesn't have to fight short a man?

Would I appreciate Leeway - sure, like about 14 secs worth. Leeways continually only seem to work in one direction and so far from what I have seen, the teams with the most PvPEC reps. Not trying to ruffle feathers, just my personal experience with this league endeavor.

If our captains call for a forfeit, I would support that move definitely.

But I do appreciate the advice on waiting until after the matches for questions - trying to quickly resolve an issue during a match while hoping to avoid a retaliation/counter forfiet/DQ call for delay of game does make sense (especially with how fickle rule calls and interpretations have been made lately). In the future, I'll just post comments directly to the capts or send you an offline PM and avoid future wall posts here as posting here seems to only fuel fires and never resolve anything.