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Originally Posted by NeoDarke
On topic: I am SO looking forward to this powerset! Don't know what I want to pair it with, or on what AT.
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I'm really interested in seeing the secondary effects. A part of me thinks the secondary effect from the attacks will be -damage, and I'm going to bet there is a Siphon Power-esque..err...power in the set rather then a straight-up Build-up power.
Sweet baybay jeebus, I hope I get to test this set.
Looks sorta like the DP road for me.I thought when I first saw DP was that it looked neat(animations) but as a feasible powerset it didn't really click for me.
Tried it on test w/corrs and blasters and I was right it is a "meh" set to me something I would probably never take.For some strange reason I'm getting the same feeling for KM,it's looks like it should be more of a dom secondary imho.
I'm considering a Kinetic Melee Brute. I was wondering what secondary would work well for it. Willpower, as usual, will probably be awesome. Energy Aura will probably match KM aesthetically, but I can't stand it, even after the recent buff. Invulnerability sounds like it could be really powerful on a Brute, so I'm considering that pretty strongly.
Hm....KM/Will or KM/Invul? At least I have a couple of months to decide.
Edit: And if anyone can help with a concept, I've already got a costume ready to go for my KM Brute, I'm thinking he looks more Willpower that anything else:
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You could try Electric Armor.
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i think summon clowns would win the game. kinetic combat while funny looking, isnt as funny as clowns.
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Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Video here for those who haven't seen it... o.o
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I'd suggest getting a new costume >_>|
Originally Posted by Lightslinger
I'm considering a Kinetic Melee Brute. I was wondering what secondary would work well for it. Willpower, as usual, will probably be awesome. Energy Aura will probably match KM aesthetically, but I can't stand it, even after the recent buff. Invulnerability sounds like it could be really powerful on a Brute, so I'm considering that pretty strongly.
Hm....KM/Will or KM/Invul? At least I have a couple of months to decide. Edit: And if anyone can help with a concept, I've already got a costume ready to go for my KM Brute, I'm thinking he looks more Willpower that anything else: [IMG]file:///C:/Users/ACHWS/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/Users/ACHWS/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png[/IMG] |
It's like you took 2 heroes, chopped them at the waist and then flip-flopped their halves.
Secondly, I'd suggest waiting on more info before trying to pinpoint a power combo. You don't know what the secondary effects are. Could be -dmg, could be a variety of siphon effects, +rech or even +dmg. The only thing we've seen is the Knock- but Castle already said there's more to it.
I'd just as soon suggest Shield Defense with an energy elemental shield than the combos you're pondering. Unless you're not looking for synergy...but then you didn't provide a concept either...
With KM being a 'ranged-melee' set you don't really want sets like inv or wp since they rely on mobs right next to you. Unless I am wrong about the slightly longer range part, which I am sure will be the trade off for long animations and DP-esque damage.
Oh for the days when I had optimism about new sets...
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All, well nearly all, melee attacks from Brutes have a 7 foot range. I highly doubt Kinetic Melee if any different.
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Originally Posted by PrincessDarkstar
With KM being a 'ranged-melee' set you don't really want sets like inv or wp since they rely on mobs right next to you. Unless I am wrong about the slightly longer range part, which I am sure will be the trade off for long animations and DP-esque damage.
Oh for the days when I had optimism about new sets... |
Perfect, a new and sexy powerset that not only does tons of knockback, it also works at a greater range than any other brute set. Does anyone not see the possibilty (probability?) that a lot of newbs will be unherding everything on the map, so Corr/Blasters/even good old fashioned strength brutes PBAoEs hit maybe 2 targets max? Thanks Devs, another days work to mess with people and give them nothing. How about spending some time fixing invulnerabilitys unusable tier 9 or the stupid lag problem in the ITF???
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Perfect, a new and sexy powerset that not only does tons of knockback, it also works at a greater range than any other brute set. Does anyone not see the possibilty (probability?) that a lot of newbs will be unherding everything on the map, so Corr/Blasters/even good old fashioned strength brutes PBAoEs hit maybe 2 targets max? Thanks Devs, another days work to mess with people and give them nothing. How about spending some time fixing invulnerabilitys unusable tier 9 or the stupid lag problem in the ITF???
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Listen up folks.
1. We don't have any numbers on the set.
2. It's possible the enemies hit were lower than the player which can make KD into KB.
3. Brutes melee attacks are currently 7 FEET in range, which makes any melee set 'ranged-melee' whatever the **** that means.
4. Perception makes the attacks seem longer than they are.
5. Please re-read 1-4 until you get it.
When will brutes get spines, martial arts, and regen?
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I appreciate the feedback, but the fault you described with the costume is pretty much what I was going for |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
I'd suggest getting a new costume >_>
It's like you took 2 heroes, chopped them at the waist and then flip-flopped their halves. |
I wanted a heavy contrast between the suit, high-tech / low-tech so to speak.I basically wanted the ultra-sleek tech-suit, but coupled it with something to make it more combat looking, thus the pants.
And thanks for the powers advice, you're right in that my ideas would probably change as more info comes out about KM, I was just having fun pondering.
[QUOTE=Clouded;2755490]Wow, is it possible to have this much ignorance?
Go wiz up a stick until you feel the rain.
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That was an excellent rebuttal that didn't at all prove Clouded's point.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Wow, is it possible to have this much ignorance?
Go wiz up a stick until you feel the rain. |
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Since you asked for a thoughtful rebuttal, and did not start out immediately with an insult, here you go:|
Originally Posted by _Krom_
linkie: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...Announced.html
"For Scrappers, Tanks, Brutes, and Stalkers a new powerset called Kinetic Melee was announced. To give you a general idea think of what telekinetic melee combat would look like. The set is very visual and utilizes a ton of knockback and down effects. You'll have greater range than most melee power sets when using it." It's a ways away, for sure, but it'll be nice to have a new SMASH set to play with. |
1) the original post say "tons of knockback"
2) the original post say "greater range"
My thesis is "tons of knockback" + "greater range" + "inexperienced team players" = Nightmare for damage dealers.
Any response that doesnt have insults greatly appreciated. Any smack talking tweenyboys can also be dealt with.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
My thesis is "tons of knockback" + "greater range" + "inexperienced team players" = Nightmare for damage dealers.
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1. Brutes are damage dealers
2. Greater range might equal 9 feet instead of 7
3. it's 'tons of knockback and knockdown
4. inexperienced players will foul up any set
5. we still don't have any numbers
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Any smack talking tweenyboys can also be dealt with.
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Actually, you can try to treat me like a fool. Says tons about you and not a thing about me. Read my original post, read the rest of the posts in this thread. My response is set in that context.
If you jump into a conversation, pretending that nothing was said before, and start criticizing the speaker you show your level of communication.
As far as Invul tier 9 and the lag in the ITF, if you read my post, you would realize those are examples of what I would personally like to see the Devs working on. I think that would be so much better than wasting time creating a team unfriendly power set, the brute equivalent of energy blasters.
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Fine. I'm bored at work and I'll go back to your post to make sure I didn't overreact because I'm a big man and can admit fault when I make a mistake. |
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Actually, you can try to treat me like a fool. Says tons about you and not a thing about me. Read my original post, read the rest of the posts in this thread. My response is set in that context.
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Here comes your post...
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Perfect, a new and sexy powerset that not only does tons of knockback, it also works at a greater range than any other brute set.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Does anyone not see the possibilty (probability?) that a lot of newbs will be unherding everything on the map, so Corr/Blasters/even good old fashioned strength brutes PBAoEs hit maybe 2 targets max?
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KB is not a new mechanic and it's not limited to Kinetic Melee (ever hear of Shockwave?) nor is it limited to Brutes (ever hear of EVERY OTHER AT IN THE GAME?).
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Thanks Devs, another days work to mess with people and give them nothing. How about spending some time fixing invulnerabilitys unusable tier 9 or the stupid lag problem in the ITF???
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So, you are mad at the devs for giving us a new powerset. Then proceed to get more mad at them for giving us this set instead of fixing the lag on the ITF (which they did once before, believe it or not) and addressing the crash on Unstoppable (which is manageable if you would just ask how, or you can search for PowerSurge since it suffers from the same crash).
Here is why this is ignorant and why you sound foolish. The developers that create the new powersets are not the same ones that fix bugs (like the ITF lag). And Unstoppable isn't a bug, it's WAI.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
If you jump into a conversation, pretending that nothing was said before, and start criticizing the speaker you show your level of communication.
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wow, I thought you would pop up with just insults. Then I would either leave the post, or apologize to everyone else trying to read and leave the post. In fact you tried to read for comprehension, of course then you started in on the insults. But okay, here goes.
1) Any post to any thread, if no quotes are made, can be assumed to be talking specifically to the original post in the thread. If you read mine (and I see now you have) it does.
2) I play the ITF regularly. It has lag. It has stupid lag. If (if) the Devs fixed this, they fixed it like a retarded chimpanzee with a wrench trying to fix the space station. In other words, without hypebole, and to be clear, they failed to fix the lag problem in the ITF.
3) lastly, and back on point. I love that Devs want to give us new powersets/do powerset proliferation. Unfortunatey, IMO, they have somehow found the least loveable powerset to give to Brutes, a "tons of KB" "Higher Range" set. Combine this with the fact that it is new, and that people are getting 50s out of AE in days so they do not understand how to play them, and you end up with a recipe for high level teams having the perfect storm of bad players. New, high level, not understanding that their toon is working against the team, and with a buttload of ability to make the team's job harder. So, do I think the Devs could have spent their time more wisely, oh H--- yes.
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Again, it's 'tons of knockback AND KNOCKDOWN. And we don't know have the numbers to know how much KB and KD exists in the set.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
3) lastly, and back on point. I love that Devs want to give us new powersets/do powerset proliferation. Unfortunatey, IMO, they have somehow found the least loveable powerset to give to Brutes, a "tons of KB" "Higher Range" set.
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Again, 'higher range' can mean 1 foot, 3 feet or 10 or it could mean there are 2-3 range powers akin to Focus/Hurl. But since we don't have any specifics, we can only speculate.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Combine this with the fact that it is new, and that people are getting 50s out of AE in days so they do not understand how to play them,
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Ready?
1. This is only a video and commentary about a new set
2. No numbers or specifics have been released
3. AE babies will **** up any team no matter what AT or powerset they choose
So stop with the doom crying about this set until we have more info to freak out about. Instead, let's talk about what we think will make up the 'higher range' et al.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
So, do I think the Devs could have spent their time more wisely, oh H--- yes.
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I have 30 more minutes are work, so reply quickly please.
Sure, here is my final reply. I will no longer post here for at least a few days. (in this thread). Stop insulting people. There, that is the post. I have said everything I need to say before, and multiple times/ways to clarify for you. Lets stop wasting peoples time.
It's great when people are so wrong that they think they're right.
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First thing that came to mind was 'Trenchcoat' with perhaps some work boots or something rather than *just* the pants.|
Originally Posted by Lightslinger
I appreciate the feedback, but the fault you described with the costume is pretty much what I was going for
I wanted a heavy contrast between the suit, high-tech / low-tech so to speak.I basically wanted the ultra-sleek tech-suit, but coupled it with something to make it more combat looking, thus the pants. And thanks for the powers advice, you're right in that my ideas would probably change as more info comes out about KM, I was just having fun pondering. |
I suppose the difference I'm seeing is 'contrast' vs 'juxtapose'. Two different elements can be completely different yet compliment eachother but the example you posted seems to keep them 'too separate'. A sleeveless jacket or some shoulder element might help.
IMO, tho. I'm not that good at making costumes but I know what I like. Yours just doesn't appeal to much of anything
@Clouded
The things we know about the set for sure are (Forgive me if I missed any):
+range - The devs are saying it has extended range, they aren't going to say that if it is only 1 ft since it makes no difference. You know as well as I do it is likely to be more than that.
KB and KD - KD is good. KB is bad. KB on a melee toon is even worse. Even though KB can be used to reasonable effect it will always be less desirable than pretty much anything else. And KD doesn't even work on anything worth a scrappers time.
Video - In which nothing seems to die, now it is either a tank in the video, or the set does poor damage (As I mentioned it probably would). And you can see slow animations.
I fail to see any positives about the set at all so far, aside from it being pretty. This seems to be a melee version of Dual Pistols, ie; useless. You will be trading damage and speed for range and pretty.
Second the post about lag on the ITF may have had a bit much 'doom' about it, but he is right. The game is so full of bugs yet they keep releasing these crappy powersets to show off new visuals or whatever. And don't give me crap about 'dev a only does job a' a dev is a dev is a dev and can code whatever the hell they are told to code.
Edit: Also I still see no reason why a powerset like DP ever made it live. Surely by now they have some kind of formula which they can use to make a set not suck?
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On topic: I am SO looking forward to this powerset! Don't know what I want to pair it with, or on what AT.
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