no thanks. how about just asking for more red side sf/trials.
Because this is may be an easier to implement fix / more likely one.
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yeah...right. and you don't see people from the blue side coming here and ranting about how vill's don't suffer from DR while they do?|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Because this is may be an easier to implement fix / more likely one.
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big ol' facepalm.
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It would not be imbalanced at all. All the hero TFs combined probably would take the 18 hours anyway. Not imbalanced in the least. They would not complain if they had 2 brain cells.|
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
yeah...right. and you don't see people from the blue side coming here and ranting about how vill's don't suffer from DR while they do?
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Not to insult heroes' intelligence, but villains are smarter having to live stealthily under the law.
No. Seriously. Just no.
The days of "fast katies/speedens" and the like blueside were horrid. I don't particularly want to see that return for any SF/TF - which is exactly what this would do.
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Really? |
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
no thanks. how about just asking for more red side sf/trials.
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So your contention here is that the lack of sf/trials is because red side players haven't asked for more of them?
Why not tell him to just eat cake?
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Maybe it would do that, but not EVERYONE would be doing the most effecient thing. This would also be the simplest way to diminish the merit disparity.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
No. Seriously. Just no.
The days of "fast katies/speedens" and the like blueside were horrid. I don't particularly want to see that return for any SF/TF - which is exactly what this would do. |
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because his idea will create more problems then doing any good. we all know that red side suffers and is hated, but if we don't ask for more stuff we won't get it. this idea is bad. really bad.
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Originally Posted by tensionfade
Really?
So your contention here is that the lack of sf/trials is because red side players haven't asked for more of them? Why not tell him to just eat cake? |
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No, but from prior experience, it would be common enough to be "expected," and frankly, not much fun - and after it DOES become common, expect those merit rewards to get nerfed HARD. Just like... hmmm... the same ones that were abused as speed runs before!
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Maybe it would do that, but not EVERYONE would be doing the most effecient thing. This would also be the simplest way to diminish the merit disparity.
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it is not the simplest way to do anything. removing restrictions from one side will only get the other side in an uproar. and probably alot of threats of people quitting.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Maybe it would do that, but not EVERYONE would be doing the most effecient thing. This would also be the simplest way to diminish the merit disparity.
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We don't care about people who ragequit without thinking logically, though. |
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
it is not the simplest way to do anything. removing restrictions from one side will only get the other side in an uproar. and probably alot of threats of people quitting.
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They are like the AE babies, we are better off without them.
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I agree that the proposed idea is bad. I was taking issue more with your "just ask for more" SF's initial answer, as though it hadn't been asked countless times before.|
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
because his idea will create more problems then doing any good. we all know that red side suffers and is hated, but if we don't ask for more stuff we won't get it. this idea is bad. really bad.
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I think the OP's idea was more an acceptance (right or wrong) that there won't be more SF's coming (or at least SF's coming that aren't co-op or brought along with a corresponding TF) from the devs and was proposing this as a workaround. It's not an idea that I can endorse, but I can see why someone would propose something other than more SF's/trials in order to correct the perceived imbalance in merit gains.
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the best way to correct it would be to raise the merits an sf gives out. but since that isn't going to happen, the only other way to appease everyone is to add more sf/trial to red side.
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Originally Posted by tensionfade
I agree that the proposed idea is bad. I was taking issue more with your "just ask for more" SF's initial answer, as though it hadn't been asked countless times before.
I think the OP's idea was more an acceptance (right or wrong) that there won't be more SF's coming (or at least SF's coming that aren't co-op or brought along with a corresponding TF) from the devs and was proposing this as a workaround. It's not an idea that I can endorse, but I can see why someone would propose something other than more SF's/trials in order to correct the perceived imbalance in merit gains. |
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OR to go along with MY suggestion so I can do several BSFs, SMSFs a day for full merits... and get the same amount as Heroes.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
the best way to correct it would be to raise the merits an sf gives out. but since that isn't going to happen, the only other way to appease everyone is to add more sf/trial to red side.
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until they are speed runs and they get nerfed. clean out the cob webs and let what we are saying kick in.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
OR to go along with MY suggestion so I can do several BSFs, SMSFs a day for full merits... and get the same amount as Heroes.
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How about this: SFs can be done 2 or 3x per day without penalty?
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Not everyone does speed runs.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
until they are speed runs and they get nerfed. clean out the cob webs and let what we are saying kick in.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
How about this: SFs can be done 2 or 3x per day without penalty?
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| Because people who want to run both red and blue side TFs in the same day will be able to in a few months. There's no point in trying to even out the red side/blue side differential because soon there won't be one for people who don't want to deal with it. |
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i am willing to bet that for every 1 team doing a kill all run there are at least 5 teams doing speed runs.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Not everyone does speed runs.
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Paraphrased from my other thread: There would still be an imbalance between pure heroes and pure villains. Lemur Lad is incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
borrowed from lemur so he wouldn't have to rewrite this:
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and i'll answer you the same way i did in the other thread, you can not run all of the hero tf/trials in one day. well, any "normal" or "casual" player would not be able to. that is what the game is balanced around. not the hard core go to sleep for an hour then play 23 hours people.
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But you CAN by far run all the SFs in a day, which is where the merit imbalance comes from as the 1 merit / 5 minutes rule holds to both sides.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
and i'll answer you the same way i did in the other thread, you can not run all of the hero tf/trials in one day. well, any "normal" or "casual" player would not be able to. that is what the game is balanced around. not the hard core go to sleep for an hour then play 23 hours people.
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No, I'm not. I clearly stated for people who don't want an imbalance, there won't be one. For people who don't care, there will be the benefit of staying true.|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Paraphrased from my other thread: There would still be an imbalance between pure heroes and pure villains. Lemur Lad is incorrect.
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No one really needs any change that will cause further dissention between the sides.
I thought I wouldnt even have to mention this, but now I will since you're being pigheaded:
Yesterday I ran 2 pug villain respecs in 17minutes each. Thats 3 an hour. In the same 2ish hours your typical Positron takes, that ends up being more merits in the same amount of time than heroes get on Posi.
Your "easy fix" would lead to several months of villain side merit farming until the averages drop far enough to warrant a Merit nerf. End Result= Villain SFs would end up with worse Merit rewards than they have now, and even less reason to run them.
You're trying to fix something with a solution that would break things in the opposite direction. Stop.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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Even so, if it does "break" villains, Heroes have had their time in the spotlight for way too long, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
No, I'm not. I clearly stated for people who don't want an imbalance, there won't be one. For people who don't care, there will be the benefit of staying true.
No one really needs any change that will cause further dissention between the sides. I thought I wouldnt even have to mention this, but now I will since you're being pigheaded: Yesterday I ran 2 pug villain respecs in 17minutes each. Thats 3 an hour. In the same 2ish hours your typical Positron takes, that ends up being more merits in the same amount of time than heroes get on Posi. You're trying to fix something with a solution that would break things in the opposite direction. Stop. |
Without having to double dip into TFs, heroes have the potential of getting MUUUUUCH more Merits than villains without running into the 18 hour diminishing returns than villains could if they both ran all their SFs and TFs. To counter this, and bring more life to SFs, I propose SFs should not have the 18 hour diminishing returns timer. Devs, Please think of the balance.
EDIT: Another idea. Have it so that SFs may be completed 2 or 3 times a day each without penalty.