Second Chance Salvage?

Allowing players the additional option of obtaining random Salvage by combining salvage they already have:

C+C = random U [or C; whichever is more feasible]
C+U = random U
U+U = random U
C+R = random R
U+R = random R
R+R = random R

Just like combining Enhancements on the Enhancement Management screen, there would be a percentile chance for success:

[95]% for like rarity (ie. C+C, U+U or R+R)
75% for rarities of one rank difference (ie. C+U or U+R)
50% for rarities of more than one rank difference (ie. C+R)


[Optionally: Salvage type could also be calced in:

T+T = Tech
M+M = Magic
M+T (of same rarity rank) = 50/50 chance of either Tech or Magic
M+T (of different rarity rank) = the salvage type of the higher ranked salvage component]

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[A similar system could also be worked in same fashion for combining Recipes - although it would have to take into account level differences and possibly pool differences]

I'm going to say "meh". I don't think it's a bad idea just an unessecary one. The nice thing about the AE is that ii has really smoothed out the distribution of most types of salvage so I really don't see this as particuarly beneficial.

You surely meant C+C=Random C, yes?

Currently eight C's drop for every U and four U's for every R.

Your ratio would effectively make it 4:2:1.

I don't know if that's a Good Thing or a Bad Thing. There'd certainly be an interesting transition as 4,000 Kinetic Weapons rapidly turned into 1,000 rare salvage (for instance.)

Edit: I'm Wrong. I thought C+C = U and U+U = R, which was not the case.

Hmm... I'm kinda neutral on the merits or this idea, but the one thing that comes to mind is we'd either need a new interface (similar in function to combining inspirations), or it would be done through current crafting tech, which would likely mean that EVERY possible combination of two pieces of salvage would be it's own recipe.

... Personally, If anything like this were implemented, I'd like to see them re-use the brainstorm salvage in some way... Scrapping "x" commons yields "y" brainstorms...

On a side note; one thing I would LOVE is if the ticket vendor would sell SPECIFIC individual common salvage, I think the ability to spend a certain amount of time in the AE and being able to purchase a specific uncommon/rare piece has kept those prices in check on the market. But the same is not true of commons which you must still roll for.

Yes, let's keep this thread about the Idea of scrapping salvage for a chance at more desirable salvage. My fault for going on a bit of a tangent. Had I known about snows topic beforehand, I wouldn't have.

Just a quick factoid:


Many of the systems and other items that have been added to the game have not been 'essentials' or necessary. Some, in fact, have been labeled as 'optional' by the Devs themselves.

So forgive me if I shrug off idea debuffs based on the reasoning that it isn't necessary to the game; even if it comes from a wholly objective viewpoint.

I'm... not too keen on the idea of a chance (however low) to get a better rarity after sacrificing only two of a lower rarity, in this respect I prefer Memphis Bill's proposed model...

Also, since I feel it should be asked, does this suggestion lump all similar level tiers of the same rarity togeather, or would that be another level of complexity? If the latter, perhaps that would be a good place to work in some "upgrading" mechanic when scrapping two with the same rarity;

When dealing with C+U/C+R/U+R
T1+T1 = T1
T1+T2 = 50% T1, 50% T2
T1+T3 = 50% T1, 50% T3
T2+T2 = T2
T2+T3 = 50% T2, 50% T3
T3+T3 = T3

When dealing with C+C/U+U/R+R
T1+T1 = T1, 10% T2, 10% T3
T1+T2 = 45% T1, 45% T2, 10% T3
T1+T3 = 45% T1, 45% T3, 10% T2
T2+T2 = T2, 10% T1, 10% T3
T2+T3 = 45% T2, 45% T3, 10% T1
T3+T3 = T3, 10% T1, 10% T2

For the sake of simplicity, I would just lump the level groups together but mathing in tier is definitely an option. (I would hate to come up with the math that would go along with the Recipe version of this)

I think any chance of scoring a salvage of higher rarity than those used in its crafting components is offset by the chance of scoring a failed attempt. Especially being that there would be a 100% chance for failure checks (when speaking of possible rarity combos), whereas there would only be a 50% chance for bonus checks (when speaking of the same); bonus results would be heavily outweighed by both normal and failure results... even when not figuring unsame combinations; failure results would be just as likely.

Yogi, first off, let me apologize for the minor threadjack above. I was just point out to Grim that I had a suggestion that mirrored his comment.

Now, as to your suggestion. In a way I like it, but I think I'd prefer Grim's brainstorm conversion idea. It would be simpler to make for the developers, easier to understand by players, and people wouldn't have to worry about trying to figure out the failure checks.

Let's check the Brainstorm page on Paragonwiki:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Brain_Storm_Idea_Salvage

So, taking the "All X Salvage" numbers gives us:

Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

I'm not a fan of the Brainstorm idea, mainly because I would like to see this implemented hand-in-hand with Recipe combining; both utilizing similar player interfacing. Unless, of course, they put Recipe Rolls into the Brainstorm system.


[If we were going to go with a Brainstorm system, then I'd be for allowing non-IO Enhancements, Salvage and Recipes to be Brainstorm fodder in return for rolls for Salvage and Recipes]