How much is too much?
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Dispari,
Posted on: 2010-02-19 22:54 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
That's all? What about Praetorian counterparts? 
Kudos to you for apologizing.
Seriously. I'm not sure I could do that.
Speaking for myself only, I don't think its a problem you endeavour to view things differently from others. That's an admirable trait. What I object to about the way you post is not that you view things differently or build characters in a different way or strive for different goals.
What I object to is the back-handed way in which you insult everyone who doesn't play the way you play. It's all good to have an alternative viewpoint but you seem to ironically enough only consider your own viewpoint to have any merit.
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Originally Posted by Silas
Speaking for myself only, I don't think its a problem you endeavour to view things differently from others. That's an admirable trait. What I object to about the way you post is not that you view things differently or build characters in a different way or strive for different goals.
What I object to is the back-handed way in which you insult everyone who doesn't play the way you play. It's all good to have an alternative viewpoint but you seem to ironically enough only consider your own viewpoint to have any merit. |
I always used to enjoy your posts - I often didn't agree, but it was nice to see some one championing sets other than the usual and putting across a differant viewpoint.
As with most things in life though "it's not what you do it's the way that you do it".
Keep doing what you,re doing but have a little more respect for others and their veiwpoint; there's alot of good advice and experience on these forums - take it on board and learn from it yourself.
If you reach an impasse with some one, just agree to disagree.
On a side note I really think that you should make an FM/SD scrapper - once it's IO'd great damage and survivability. I thought my SD/SS Tank was good damage but these are something else.
L50s: Tanks: Cryofission - Ice/EM - Dr Celsius - Fire/Ice - Saint George - SD/SS | Controllers: Psichosis - Ill/Kin - Major Chaos - Ill/Stm | Scrappers - Neutron Crusader - DM/SR
Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller
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I think the first question to ask yourself is this: Are you enjoying yourself?|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ok, iv been making alot of Alts latly, but I play every one of them, and all of them are levels 26-36, and im wanting to make sure they all ding 50 around the same time.Heck of a task when I keep making alts...
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If that's the case, then no, you have not made too many alts. It's when the number of alts prevents you from getting to your goals and you become frustrated with not having such and such character to 50 and completed that perhaps it's time to stop rolling alts and focus on a single player.
Sometimes, this just happens naturally when we start to enjoy playing a character anyway. Sometimes we have to intentionally do this.
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Side Note : Yes, im a artist, and its why I tend to be a little off in terms of how I think vs everyone else.I belive I think perfectly, but the majority of the population would dissagree just for the sake of it.
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I grew up playing D&D, Star Wars, Pallidium, and Rifts Pen & Paper style and have even written stories, as well as drawn pictures of characters iv made before. It goes back as far as me being 12 years old playing Star Wars.I still have, and use names and themes back from those days, and have a enormous list of characters, pictures, and back stories, as well as even writting out full personalities of my characters on top of all of that. So this is kinda why I tend to attack people who down power sets, and use Mids on this game.I was litterally raised playing Roll Playing games and Video Games, so my perspective on Cookie Builds, Power Gamming, and Math Programs like Mid's irritate me because it defeats the purpose of a game as a whole in my eyes. |
Now if you go along this route long enough, you'll find some players do seek out the toughest thing they can think of. It might be the best character at punching AV's in the face. It might be seeking the best character at beating up lots of things at once. The point is, just because someone isn't focused on the storyline, or the background of a character doesn't mean they aren't actively seeking something valuable from it. Who doesn't want to play Superman at one point in their life?
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| By playing the way I do, I can easly take power sets people down for whatever reason, and make it shine like a new penny.So its not easy for me to understand why everyone suggjests the same things, over and over again and find it fun. |
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| Hence why I babble on about how I can make a FA/FM Tanker a Mob Wiper at +3/8 w/Bosses solo.Because iv exsplored the potential of the build, instead of putting the power sets in the same class as other Tanker sets and combos, and made my own investigation instead of listening to the bad things said about it. |
My point is this: Someone's FOTM is another player's unique discovery.
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| This by no means makes me smarter then anyone else, it just makes me veiw things in a diffrent light. |
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So far, my Atlitus has getten me into Themeing out my new account. Iv made my Elemental Witchs.You know, the Four Corners?Earth, Air, Fire and Water?Iv been alternating between all of them ,and find them highly survivable, and extreemly fun.These are also builds that are more or less not played for whatever reason people give. They are as follows - (Names will be replaced with what kind of Witch they are, followed by power combonations and AT.) Earth Witch - Earth/Earth Dom Air Witch - Storm/Elec Defender Fire Witch - Fire/Therm Corr Water Witch - Cold/Ice Defender These 4 use as close as I can get to there acctual powers in this game,as well as how they looked as they where when I created them over 10 years ago for D&D when I was GM to give my players a challenge. The names I gave them are the same as well. Then I started just recently making 1 person, over and over again.The reason for this is that you cant change power sets in this game, but you can give the illusion of it by re-making a character with nearly the same look, if not the exact same look, and diffrent powers and playing it off as slipping into another Suit of Technology, ect. I Made my Gadget man, who's name will also remain unspoken on the boards, like many do anyhow. He has many various suits of technology.Each with a diffrent look then the other, as well as having diffrent abilities for each one.This character I made back when I was 14.He was originally a X-Wing Pilot in Star Wars I was playing, and over the years through writting stories on him, he evolved into a type of gadget making techno geek. He has his first name on every one of his Clones, same face, hair color, ect.The only diffrence is his Tech suit look changes, along with his power sets and last name.This character is by far the easiest to put into CoX.By using Techy Suits, he can use whatever excuse I give him for whatever his powers are by just saying its technology and giving everyone a rassberry.(Rassberry is slang term for sticking your tonge out! )The following have been made as techy suits for my Geek, and again the names will not be placed, instead what the suits called. Defensive Suit - SD/Axe Tanker Reverse Cryo Suit - Ice/Ice Tanker Fission Cell Suit - EM/EA Brute Tesla Suit - Elec/Elec Tanker All again are rather fun, and I have no difficulty playing any of them. As you can see, im a Fanatic in the opposite direction of most everyone else in why I play this game, and I could give tons more Examples but I think everyone gets the general Idea. |
I have a theme set of characters that are just 'shards' (for lack of a better word) of themselves. They're all Sprite, but they have different powersets.
Sprite Night
Sprite Might
Sprite Fright
Sprite Bright
Sprite Blight
...and so on.
Westley keeps rerolling his force fielders over and over because he loves the set.
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I maximize for Theme, not for max potential for 1 Combo specifically is where im comming from. So I apologize for attacking people for there use of Mid's, and Cookie Builds.This is not a Attempt to be Snarky, or underhanded in any way.Im acctually Apologizing. |
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Why get irritated for no reason? If you don't like Mids' then don't use it. But even as a Theme character creator myself, I use Mids' because it helps me aware of what power choices, or slots I can take advantage of.| So this is kinda why I tend to attack people who down power sets, and use Mids on this game.I was litterally raised playing Roll Playing games and Video Games, so my perspective on Cookie Builds, Power Gamming, and Math Programs like Mid's irritate me because it defeats the purpose of a game as a whole in my eyes. |
I may not have grown up playing PnP RPGs, but I did grow up with anime, manga and me drawing my own comics and stuff. I created a lot of characters too and often recreate those characters in this game. When I wanted to make a character that used tech suits too, having Mids' there to remind me where the slots were going, who could take super jump and who teleported, how many powers they'd have to work in epic power pools or what might be able to be cut to make room for a concept power, Mids' helps iron out that.
If someone else wants to use the same tool for a different purpose, that's not my problem.
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
That's all? What about Praetorian counterparts?
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Interesting concept plot you got there, but I wanna finish up my Vangaurd Soldiers first before trying that one.
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This pretty much sums up my stance on this, too.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Why get irritated for no reason? If you don't like Mids' then don't use it. But even as a Theme character creator myself, I use Mids' because it helps me aware of what power choices, or slots I can take advantage of.
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All my toons start out as character concepts in my head, a vague idea about their backstory, personality and goals and from there I work out costume and power-sets.
I also love Mids'. When I started out playing, and even today when I play without having made a build first, it can take me like ten to twenty minutes to decide on a power or where to place my slots. With Mids', however, I can have easily work out the progression of my characters and, ironically enough, I can carry on with my characters' themes without caring too much about build anymore afterwards.
This really seems to be a non-issue, but then again, you seem to be aware of that yourself.
That entire post could of looked like this:
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
I apologize for attacking people for their use of Mid's and Cookie Builds.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
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Now apologise for making me read it |
I make every toon in Mids before even opening CoH. If I can't fit the powers I want, with the number of slots I want, in the order I want, I abandon it. I refuse to make any toon without Hasten. I don't however play cookie-cutter characters and I plan everything with standard IOs.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Who the heck can even make 'cookie-cutter' builds these days anyway? Even among the minmaxers, I'd be surprised if you found two who could agree on the same build.
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
Who the heck can even make 'cookie-cutter' builds these days anyway? Even among the minmaxers, I'd be surprised if you found two who could agree on the same build.
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There are powers in every powerset that a majority of min/maxers probably agree are extremely important to have. There are well-known pool powers that are considered extremely desirable, and so show up in a lot of builds. Even still, some people don't take travel powers to fit in more attacks or pools. Some people don't take Fitness because they are satisfied with the recovery available from IOs.
And inventions means that any given power may have a wide variety of slotting options. Do you want lots of bonus damage? Lots of recharge? Lots of defense? Lots or Regen? Do you plan to exemplar a lot? Do you PvP? All of these things can change what you think is "optimal" slotting.
If your sets give you lots of accuracy, then you can safely slot other sets with low or possibly even no accuracy enhancement. If you aren't going for defense, a lot of sets have a desirable bonus in the 5th slot, so you often see 5 of one set and then a 6th IO from somewhere else to round out enhancement values.
IOs created vastly more enhancement diversity than the universal limitation of the same name ever did.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Ok, iv been making alot of Alts latly, but I play every one of them, and all of them are levels 26-36, and im wanting to make sure they all ding 50 around the same time.Heck of a task when I keep making alts...
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I think my creativity is getting the best of me.You see, I my self am a artist, and this game helps cater to my creative impulses.
Side Note : Yes, im a artist, and its why I tend to be a little off in terms of how I think vs everyone else.I belive I think perfectly, but the majority of the population would dissagree just for the sake of it.
I grew up playing D&D, Star Wars, Pallidium, and Rifts Pen & Paper style and have even written stories, as well as drawn pictures of characters iv made before.
It goes back as far as me being 12 years old playing Star Wars.I still have, and use names and themes back from those days, and have a enormous list of characters, pictures, and back stories, as well as even writting out full personalities of my characters on top of all of that.
So this is kinda why I tend to attack people who down power sets, and use Mids on this game.I was litterally raised playing Roll Playing games and Video Games, so my perspective on Cookie Builds, Power Gamming, and Math Programs like Mid's irritate me because it defeats the purpose of a game as a whole in my eyes.
So I guess I owe alot of people a apology when it comes to this issue, mainly because I just dont think in the realtive terms of Power Gamming.I do however play on Theme, and Maximize my Character no matter what its combonation turns out to be.
By playing the way I do, I can easly take power sets people down for whatever reason, and make it shine like a new penny.So its not easy for me to understand why everyone suggjests the same things, over and over again and find it fun.
Hence why I babble on about how I can make a FA/FM Tanker a Mob Wiper at +3/8 w/Bosses solo.Because iv exsplored the potential of the build, instead of putting the power sets in the same class as other Tanker sets and combos, and made my own investigation instead of listening to the bad things said about it.
This by no means makes me smarter then anyone else, it just makes me veiw things in a diffrent light.
So far, my Atlitus has getten me into Themeing out my new account.
Iv made my Elemental Witchs.You know, the Four Corners?Earth, Air, Fire and Water?Iv been alternating between all of them ,and find them highly survivable, and extreemly fun.These are also builds that are more or less not played for whatever reason people give.
They are as follows - (Names will be replaced with what kind of Witch they are, followed by power combonations and AT.)
Earth Witch - Earth/Earth Dom
Air Witch - Storm/Elec Defender
Fire Witch - Fire/Therm Corr
Water Witch - Cold/Ice Defender
These 4 use as close as I can get to there acctual powers in this game,as well as how they looked as they where when I created them over 10 years ago for D&D when I was GM to give my players a challenge.
The names I gave them are the same as well.
Then I started just recently making 1 person, over and over again.The reason for this is that you cant change power sets in this game, but you can give the illusion of it by re-making a character with nearly the same look, if not the exact same look, and diffrent powers and playing it off as slipping into another Suit of Technology, ect.
I Made my Gadget man, who's name will also remain unspoken on the boards, like many do anyhow.
He has many various suits of technology.Each with a diffrent look then the other, as well as having diffrent abilities for each one.This character I made back when I was 14.He was originally a X-Wing Pilot in Star Wars I was playing, and over the years through writting stories on him, he evolved into a type of gadget making techno geek.
He has his first name on every one of his Clones, same face, hair color, ect.The only diffrence is his Tech suit look changes, along with his power sets and last name.This character is by far the easiest to put into CoX.By using Techy Suits, he can use whatever excuse I give him for whatever his powers are by just saying its technology and giving everyone a rassberry.(Rassberry is slang term for sticking your tonge out!
The following have been made as techy suits for my Geek, and again the names will not be placed, instead what the suits called.
Defensive Suit - SD/Axe Tanker
Reverse Cryo Suit - Ice/Ice Tanker
Fission Cell Suit - EM/EA Brute
Tesla Suit - Elec/Elec Tanker
All again are rather fun, and I have no difficulty playing any of them.
As you can see, im a Fanatic in the opposite direction of most everyone else in why I play this game, and I could give tons more Examples but I think everyone gets the general Idea.
I maximize for Theme, not for max potential for 1 Combo specifically is where im comming from.
So I apologize for attacking people for there use of Mid's, and Cookie Builds.This is not a Attempt to be Snarky, or underhanded in any way.Im acctually Apologizing.