Let us upload music to our AE story arcs
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-02-05 24:08 in Suggestions and Ideas
THIS would get me to start making AE arcs.
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Would this be stock clips (like the zone music) or someone else's licensed work (like Top 40's songs downloaded from iTunes)?
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That was my initial thought but then I realized that it's very unlikely to be licensed stuff just because of copyright issues.
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Would this be stock clips (like the zone music) or someone else's licensed work (like Top 40's songs downloaded from iTunes)?
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Radubadu 46 Fire/Fire blaster
Hell Runner 35 Fire/Fire brute
That's the thing, allowing us to select the music for arc from the in-game selection is one thing. Allowing us to upload mp3s is not really practical from a legal perspective.
Upgrade in-game music first. Ambient music! Not the stuff that trails off we have atm.
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Given that the current MA file size-cap is 100k, I hope you enjoy MIDI, because even with MP3 or OGG formatting, you're still looking at a decent size, unless you drop the bit-rate, which has a very noticeable effect on sound quality.
The ONLY way this could work would be to have an approved list of available music, which has previously been downloaded to our local machines via a patch.
Then you could tag which music to play during the mission (or maybe tie it to various events/clickies/etc), that way the only thing added to the AE files would be the tag info.
It would never work for you to upload you're own music selections (copywrite issues and all) and it would need to be on our local machines already to keep the AE file size at a decent level.
But, with all that in mind, sure. I'd be doubtful it'll ever happen (someone would have to find the time to assemble/approve/publish/etc the music files), but it would be kinda nice.
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If we're not uploading music ourselves (which, seriously, nobody who thinks about it for more than a second would realize is remotely feasable thanks to all the legalities, royalties, etc.) but picking already available, in-game music, I'd call it feasable. |
Originally Posted by Tonality
Given that the current MA file size-cap is 100k, I hope you enjoy MIDI, because even with MP3 or OGG formatting, you're still looking at a decent size, unless you drop the bit-rate, which has a very noticeable effect on sound quality.
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Dropdown list (with "play" button) with various already-in-game clips.
You wouldn't need to add the whole thing to your 100k, just a line or two that calls it.
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Originally Posted by Tonality
Given that the current MA file size-cap is 100k, I hope you enjoy MIDI, because even with MP3 or OGG formatting, you're still looking at a decent size, unless you drop the bit-rate, which has a very noticeable effect on sound quality.
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The idea of selecting from a list of dev-made music sounds good, mind, but I can't see that happening anytime soon. Not until the extremely unlikely event of any major changes to map-specific ambient music.
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I would imagine they could have certain tracks with different lengths of time...
Clips:
Crickets *10 seconds
Waves crashing *25 seconds (fades out)
Waves crashing *25 seconds (fades in)
Lightning and Thunder *Entire mission
Lightning and Thunder * 1 minute (fades in)
Maniac Screaming *5 seconds
Maniac Screaming * every 1-3 minutes randomly
Full length music:
Croatoa Theme
IP Theme
Talos Theme
Atlas Theme
CoV Theme
Theme music:
Techno beat
HipHop beat
Rock beat
Heavy metal beat
slow jams beat
romantic beat
classical beat
etc etc etc
This would be fun, while we are at it we can put music on our boomboxes : D
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That seems reasonable to me. It would be a nice addition to AE. I haven't done any messing in notepad with AE files, but it might be possible to attach music right now to AE files that way.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
If we're not uploading music ourselves (which, seriously, nobody who thinks about it for more than a second would realize is remotely feasable thanks to all the legalities, royalties, etc.) but picking already available, in-game music, I'd call it feasable.
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As long as it's within reason and doesn't attract an oversensitive musician with a fistful of lawyers, /signed. It'd certainly create a bit of atmosphere and keep players engaged in the arc.
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I wouldn't mind an option to set various musics already within the game to a map or to an event.
Since we know that the AE file-size will be doubling shortly, it could probably be accomplished under the new text-file description limits.
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On the original topic, playing our own music in the game has been shot down several times, almost on a weekly basis. Maybe one of the mods needs to put up a sticky that players being able to upload music just simply isn't going to happen as long as entities like the RIAA are around.
That being said, maybe, just maybe, NCSoft and Paragon Studios could cut a deal with some of the guys from OCRemix.org to produce AE specific music.
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Originally Posted by Radubadu
That was my initial thought but then I realized that it's very unlikely to be licensed stuff just because of copyright issues.
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That's exactly what would happen. People would immediately upload music that would infringe copyrights of others that would immediately sue our beloved game.
I'm really at a loss as to how anyone would want to do this, but people still make Marvel Characters so there is just no explaining to some people why this is wrong in general and completely against the EULA and Codes of Conduct.
Do I even need to add the fact that there are over 350k arcs and each one could have at least one different sound track per mission? So 700k more songs/data added to the AE and extra download time every time you wanted to run an AE arc?
Look at the size of the AE files. How much room of that file size should be allowed to be eaten up by sound track?
Well, I completely against the idea - still. It was a bad idea before. It's still a bad idea now.
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Originally Posted by The_Alt_oholic
This is the same argument against it that was brought up before.
That's exactly what would happen. People would immediately upload music that would infringe copyrights of others that would immediately sue our beloved game. I'm really at a loss as to how anyone would want to do this, but people still make Marvel Characters so there is just no explaining to some people why this is wrong in general and completely against the EULA and Codes of Conduct. Do I even need to add the fact that there are over 350k arcs and each one could have at least one different sound track per mission? So 700k more songs/data added to the AE and extra download time every time you wanted to run an AE arc? Look at the size of the AE files. How much room of that file size should be allowed to be eaten up by sound track? Well, I completely against the idea - still. It was a bad idea before. It's still a bad idea now. |
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
I would imagine they could have certain tracks with different lengths of time...
Clips: Crickets *10 seconds Waves crashing *25 seconds (fades out) Waves crashing *25 seconds (fades in) Lightning and Thunder *Entire mission Lightning and Thunder * 1 minute (fades in) Maniac Screaming *5 seconds Maniac Screaming * every 1-3 minutes randomly Full length music: Croatoa Theme IP Theme Talos Theme Atlas Theme CoV Theme Theme music: Techno beat HipHop beat Rock beat Heavy metal beat slow jams beat romantic beat classical beat etc etc etc |
Its not a bad idea...
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This version of the idea sounds like a perfect compromise.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
If we're not uploading music ourselves (which, seriously, nobody who thinks about it for more than a second would realize is remotely feasable thanks to all the legalities, royalties, etc.) but picking already available, in-game music, I'd call it feasible.
Line: Music Default: None Drop down list (with "play" button) with various already-in-game clips. You wouldn't need to add the whole thing to your 100k, just a line or two that calls it. |
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My preferred idea for music: Instead of a global music tab, the Devs would package several sound node objects into the MA (similar to how certain musical elements are handled in missions already, AFAIK).
The big difference is that instead of being stuck putting it at the start of a mission or throughout the whole mission, you could add these musical objects to the spawn zones of boss encounters and the like, resulting in dramatic stings.
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That would be so cool.
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