A small change with a big impact?

You missed this: "I earn my Inf from farming and selling in order to twink my chars."

I enjoy playing Super Heroes in a Super Hero game. The Devs may think that means fighting 3 even con mobs. I prefer going as far as the game will allow. My Illusion/Rad Controller has solo'd Lusca and most of the other GMs in the game. My Fire/Psi Dominator could dive into a pack of 90 bosses in AE and take them all down. I have a handful of chars of different ATs who can solo AVs. That takes the best gear in the game, so I farm to get it. Farming is simply a means to an end, and it doesn't bother my conscience like Marketeering might.

If the OP's suggestion was implemented, I'd have 45 level 50 chars who could walk through almost every challenge in the game. TFs would become a joke. Have you even been in a speed ITF where everyone has highly twinked chars? In mission 2 you all split up to take out the cysts. It's silly how fast it goes. That's what the game would turn into.

A while back I posted a similar idea, only to keep it in check it was a craftable temp power like the bat, hammer, pistol, etc.

This "widget tool" would allow you to remove ONE enhancer and place it into your 10 slot enhancer inventory.

The fact that it is craftable via a recipe, plus the salvage it uses would make it self controlling as far as exploitation is concerned.

You really have no idea what you are talking about on ANY level. To that end, I shall bequeath you the title; "n00b".

Possibly the most epic put-down in the history of the COH boards.

I keep reading through this thread and thinking, "Man, there's gotta be something I can say that would be constructive and demonstrate the core problems with the system being proposed that hasn't already been said." But then I find something like this, that really gets into the psychology and player retention aspects of why the change would not be good, long-term, for the game, and I realize I couldn't possibly have said it any better.

The game has longevity because it takes time to do things.
Inf sinks are built into the game to suck inf out of the economy.

Trying to avoid "wasting IO set IO's by respec" is very time consuming.
A making it easier to keep IO set enhances in the economy is eliminating both a time and inf sink in the game.

The game is playable with out IO sets. IO sets are meant to be rare.

... there are over a dozen complete sets of Focused Smite available on either side right now. Perhaps you should rephrase?

I agree with time sink. I don't see how you see recipes being deleted as an inf sink. 90% has already gone to another player, wouldn't Reciple A pull out more inf if Recipe A was traded more instead of being deleted?

I play the game from a pretty narrow view. Did I ever think I had the perfect solution, no, but playing the way I play my idea would have been beneficial to most other people. I would help resupply the market with mid-level IO's that get deleted otherwise. I already move the my purple / PVP IO's/ uniques around to a few builds that I particulary enjoy at that time, I get bored rather quickly. The reason why I asked my question on the boards is to get a broader view and idea of how it would work with other people; clearly, it would be taken advantage of.

Back to the drawing board I guess.

Two points.
1) Is this a correct interpretation of your position? "Recipes are being deleted now because they're not worth selling, so we're going to add a source of supply and somehow they WILL be worth selling." If that's not right, explain to me how I'm misinterpreting it.
2) Every time you craft a level 50 Crushing Impact you destroy 490,000 inf or thereabouts. If you get rid of thirty, level 50, crafted IO's when you respec, and I know that's a high number, you've destroyed 15 million inf in crafting costs. That could add up, in theory. It's at least a start at sinking inf.

That tip made this thread worth reading - ty

1. No, my position is that I have 30-40 valuable IO sets on multiple toons that are not worth pulling off due to all my respecs being burned, and the high cost of respec recipes.

2. Everytime you sell said Crushing impact you will destroy 10% of whatever you sold it for. By me the respecer being able to put that back onto the market, either myself to make inf or "Arcana" designed system where that will be sold by a bot or the game etc. and then all proceeds destroyed. This will increase supply of all IO's, especially the mid-level ones I tend to just get rid. I don't care about exemplaring and its not fiscally responsible to burn respecs to sell a lvl 33 crushing impact for 3 million infamy.

the fact that you just said 1. goes directly to the heart of the matter of why I think this is a bad idea.

From your previous post you and I approach the game very differntly. I would still IO out multiple toons for the convienence.


Mailing system? Mind copying a link to what this is? I had not caught any wind of a mailing system. If it is what I think it might be your point on moving IO's would be very vaild.

The point of my change is when I go from my leveling build to my "uber" build I tend to delete a lot of mid-level IOs, when I get bored of a toon I strip the "really valuable" IO's and delete the toon with a lot mid-priced IO's (crushing impacts, ToD sets, etc.). The true point of this was never to be able to IO out multiple toons with the same IO's. I simply wanted to be able to put those "wasted" IO's back onto the market for someone else. I can already move my extremely valuable stuff off with my vet-specs/respecs.

I think that's true of all of us.

But not for the same reason that it would necessarily be beneficial to you. If you made assumptions about how other people play the game, it's natural that people will offer up reasons why those assumptions might lead to unintended consequences. It's not about demonizing you as an individual. I hope you can see that. There are a lot of folks with game design and player management experience who've seen what open systems such as what you describe can do to a game.

This is the part that I personally never quite got, based on my own playstyle. I don't delete mid-level IOs. I just don't have a burning sense of, "Must eke out the last few % from every power" that requires me to change out my level 33-35 set IOs for level 50s. I have plenty of characters wandering around with 2-3 purple sets in one group of powers, and a set of 5 IOs from the early 30s when they were originally slotted in another power.

But that's a playstyle issue. Would I pull those out and replace them with level 50s if I could? Maybe. (Actually, it's more likely that I'd replace with 49s, given that the difference from 49 to 50 is decimal dust and the cost to buy and craft 49s is usually < 50% of the cost to do the same with 50s.) And if I did pull out those mid-level IOs, I don't know that they'd end up on the market, since odds are I'll eventually have another alt that needs them. So not only do I not end up putting stuff on the market (not increasing supply), I also now have an upcoming character that doesn't need to use the market to get what he or she wants (reducing demand).

Again, though - playstyle issue.

That is, unfortunately, true of almost any system you can imagine. If there is a way to "game" it, people will do so. The path of least resistance is prohibitively attractive.

And again, none of this is meant as an attack on you; the idea simply had the potential for abuse, implemented as suggested. Bringing it here and offering it up for critique was the best way to have any potential problems identified.

I understand it was not a personal attack. From the direction some threads go this one remained particularly non-volatile.

I see the problems now with my system. If the negatives outweight the benefits is a question no one could really answer unless it was implemented. Not that I'm crying for it to actually be implemented. It was just an idea that clearly had more underlying issues than what I saw when I suggested it.

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I find it better to have more than a few sets of lvl 30-40's on the lvl 50 characters - helps with side kicking down and not losing set bonus.