"The government of the Etoile Islands, has done nothing worse than other governments, hell they have a slightly better history than some. Need I point you to the U.S.A's own shady actions. Sponsoring Warlords, I'm surprised that Arachnos can find any requiring sponsor, given that 'big business' sponsors the ones the USA doesn't."
"Honestly I don't know who is more shady, Longbow or Arachnos, both have their own, over eager soldiers that bend the rules of engagement to what ever they want. Remember it's not illegal for Longbow to use flamethrowers, as they aren't strictly a military unit, bravo" *Small fan fair sound effect* "for the term 'hero support'."
"Overly aggressive in their pursuit of justice, flouting local and international laws, heck they even have their own 'create a freak' super power development program"
"Truly the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, when considering that family."
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Geni nodded along to the last comment.
"It's a case of out of the frying pan into the flame...Who *are* the good guys? Are there any? Right now...well, I dont know. I just trust the guys who gave my dad a job again, and saved our lives. And, right now, thats the Spiders with the red armour and sword emblem."
She flicked up an example of the emblem; the Arachnos spider with a sword down the middle. The emblem of the Krimzon Guard.
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In response to your question MrBinky101, I think Hunter just got annoyed with this particular Arachnos Soldier, who as it turns out, was bluffing after all, with his mock surrender. Hunter might have understandably, been upset with Longbow Officer Miranda Wong who at the time, was wrongly prepared to allow said enemy combatant to walk to away from a warranted arrest on the false grounds that he would return during the invasion. I work in computer Tech, so, BODICIA, I've done my fair share of hacking into footage. I did my research. Holt was talking of leaving and an escaping enemy combatant justifies the use of force, note, he used, reasonable strength, non-lethal and non-fatal, and those cowardly 'heroes' did nothing to help until it was too late.|
Originally Posted by Rock_Powerfist
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so may i ask the question .. why did Mr P flip and go all badcop-beat-them-up rampage ? he is a hero , a minister of a major US church , and the chossen one of Longbow .. and he just looses the plot , and breaks all the rules .. Why ? ..and if such a person can what does that tell us about other heroes ?.. how many more are on the edge ? |
"This is a stupid debate anyway. To what end are we discussing blame? Do you people want Hunter's grieving family up in a courtroom? Have is body dragged out from the Earth and trialed for hitting an enemy combatant? If you people want to vent your frustration, then direct it at the real bad guys. The ones on the Isles and in Paragon City who wouldn't blink an eye to kill your close friends, or your family members for "having an attitude" or for 'standing up for themself', maybe even just for 'being gay', for 'being Muslim', for 'being black', or simply for 'wearing pink' or 'being too nice'. Or maybe for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Because that's the real problem in our society today, its the kind of thing the Priest stood up against for the last five years. For the love of his memory, when you go back to your lives, remember to be a hero, to stand up for yourself and fight against the corrupting influences of rogue politics, corporate America and their shady para-militaries like the Corporation and their mercenaries. Pluck up your courage and speak up, voice out to protect your fellow man. Not condemn him for chasing off the enemy. I'm tired of this, I'm leaving too."
"We're not asking that at all! Not at all! What we're trying to deduce is why he did such a silly thing, and I can pretty well assure you that you're taking the complete end of the stick with what happened there, just ebcause the Spider guy was suggestion letting him go doesn't mean he would have been let go! Negoations didn't even get far due to Mr Pious interrupting so we'll never know."
"He did some good, ad we should remember him for that, but it does not make his actions in this any better! Not at all, you do not shoot someone who surrenders, we may never know if it was a 'phoney' surrender or not, because of Mr Pious's overzealous actions, so that's my point there!"
Miriages avatar then turned to Geni.
"I'd like to point out that this group that gave your dad a job, and that are apprenly so good in your eyes were the ones leading he recent skirmish into Paragon city, should I bring up the news report of how many good people were killed or hurt in these attacks? And what would have happened had they not been driven off? You should consider these thigns before you draw the line over which side is the right one!"
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"I'm not certain," Mimi Lolcat broke her silence with a voice to match her avatar: one you would associate with a knowledgeable individual like a successful businesswoman or librarian, perhaps, somewhere between her 30s or 40s. "That throwing anybody, even an armoured soldier, from the roof of a tall building outside of the most extreme of circumstances, of which I personally don't consider the situation in the footage shown to us earlier to be, as 'reasonable force'. Holt should, in my opinion, consider himself lucky to be alive if he hasn't already died from any injuries sustained in the fall."|
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... an escaping enemy combatant justifies the use of force, note, he used, reasonable strength, non-lethal and non-fatal, and those cowardly 'heroes' did nothing to help until it was too late.
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Just as she finished, mrthrowback blinked and did a doubletake at something unseen before bringing up the banstick again and hammering it a few times against the floor to get everyone's attention.
"Okay, if any of you don't want to be on the receiving end of this baby, you'll listen carefully, because I'm only saying this once. First, drop the little snipes a few of you insist on throwing at each other. Including you, Stephanie. No need to bite someone's head off for a minor mistake. Secondly! Knock off with the 'this debate is stupid' comments. If you disapprove of the topic so much, you're free to leave of your own accord and let us get on with it. Miriage, calm it down a little yourself too, please. Third, I'd like to concur with Morpheus that we should kinda revert to the original topic. Right. Continue. Remember all I said."
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"So? What about the bows that come to the Isles? What about the warehouse they set on fire in Mercy about...year and a half back? My dad lost two good friend in that fire...*and* the villain they had apparently been after, someone with spikes, didnt get caught."|
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"I'd like to point out that this group that gave your dad a job, and that are apprenly so good in your eyes were the ones leading he recent skirmish into Paragon city, should I bring up the news report of how many good people were killed or hurt in these attacks? And what would have happened had they not been driven off? You should consider these thigns before you draw the line over which side is the right one!" |
Her avatar glared slightly, folding it's arms again.
"I'm saying the red Spider aren't like the others, thats all. And dont insinuate that Im a hypocrite when your being hypocritical yourself. Who says your side is 'right'? Im not saying the Spiders are, but your gang seem just as bad!"
Geni fell silent quickly as mrthrowback jerked slightly and spoke up, receeding again and standing meekly where she had first arrived.
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Shaking her head, Fanservice has busted out the 'Teacher catching someone chewing gum' avatar mood set "Trying to paint Longbow as being as bad as Arachnos just doesn't hold up under examination. Longbow have accountability, no they're not perfect, sometimes bad things do happen but the people who commit, say, murder or manslaughter are incredibly rare and they've all been tried and convicted. Ms. Liberty may not be liked by people here, but she's also a hard-liner when it comes to the law and wouldn't accept her own to be treated with any more preference when they do wrong than others. Perhaps she gets that from her dad too."
Relaxing into a more natural pose, she goes on in her usual cheerfully explanatory tone "After all Longbow's standards have been criticised for being TOO tight and not allowing in people with even a slightly disreputable past. A warehouse fire a year and a half ago is a tragedy and something that i've no doubt has reprocussions for those involved. But Arachnos has a list of crimes to their name that's so long over that period that to rehash them here would take a good few hours and attempted world domination features on that list. More than once! For them there's no accountability, other than Don't get in the way of Recluse's plans, they're free to rob murder and steal as much as they like otherwise."
Shrugging, the avatar gives a light laugh "I don't get how people can even compare the two. There's simply no comparison. Yes, Longbow make mistakes. Yes, they do have heavy weaponry. Considering the odds they're facing it's not just prudent to have those weapons, it's practically insufficient. I worry for my life when tangling with Arachnos and I'm near invulnerable and strong enough to crush steel. Only a few of the Ballista have even close to my level of safety or strength and all the rest are making do with very slanted odds against them."
MrBinky101 emoted a nod of agreeing , and a smile ..
" i cant say i disagree with what this Fanservice person is saying ,,Longbow , like any para militry force use weapons and sometimes have accidents ..the Spiderfolk use death and destruction ..and giggle at any colateral damage ..
However that is not our topic .... so back to Molly Longstaff .. does anyone have any real infomation about her behind the action activities or not ?"
Elise's avatar smiled.
"Well now that depends on what you want to know and how much time you have...oh and hi Bodi, Dad says hello too..."
A rather faint voice could be heard in the background, "and unhook yourself from the internet...your eating up valuable data processing time...I need that processing power for villainy you know!"
"It's my private time dad, I'll do whatever I want...sorry about that everyone...he's just a bit grouchy he missed out on all the fun," she uses the 'quotation figure gesture' emote when saying fun.
Elise pondered for a moment.
"I seriously doubt these little skirmishes were a means of weapons trials between Ms Longstaff and the Corporation...even in the Rogue Isles we still have weapons expo events, you know all the latest and greatest gather to show off their new explosive toys or doomsday devices...infact I distinctly remember the European Villainous Immorality League holding several such expos themselves back before it all went sour..."
She giggled, "so what would be the point in this skirmish if the Corporation and their ilk can readily show off their weapons at such events..."
The faint voice came back, "and why do I never get invited?!"
"Because a death ray powered by a washing machine isn't a decent weapon Dad..."
She sighs and her avatar shakes her head, "if really should just turn off external audio but if something explodes he's going to need some help..."
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"I seriously doubt these little skirmishes were a means of weapons trials between Ms Longstaff and the Corporation...even in the Rogue Isles we still have weapons expo events, you know all the latest and greatest gather to show off their new explosive toys or doomsday devices...infact I distinctly remember the European Villainous Immorality League holding several such expos themselves back before it all went sour..."
She giggled, "so what would be the point in this skirmish if the Corporation and their ilk can readily show off their weapons at such events..." |
The avatar ponders for a brief moment before continuing.
"However, I believe Longstaff WarTech have made it clear on their site that Molly's weaponry is for the most part experimental and as such not for sale at this very moment. Excuse me, I'll just find the relevant page."
After a short pause, a small rectangular window pops up in front of her, which splits off into several copies then she flicks it with her finger, one for each person in the room. It's a list of FAQs about the company on its own website, one of the questions and its answer confirming her belief.
Sam: "My mind is a swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas."
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Peacmaker returns, this time however some thought has been put into the avatar:
The figure is still male but is sporting a black polo neck, a black eye mask, a white belt and blue jeans.
The information has been updated too: It lists the user as male, living and working in Galaxy City, likes pizza and fries and hates Barbra Streisand films.
"Sorry for that. Got a few problems with my rig. Had to do a system reboot."
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"I suppose the effectiveness of their newest toys can only be demonstrated so adequately in a controlled environment." Mimi answered, pushing her glasses back. "Potential clients would want to know how their potentially future tools will hold up in the chaos of a real battle, wouldn't they?"
The avatar ponders for a brief moment before continuing. "However, I believe Longstaff WarTech have made it clear on their site that Molly's weaponry is for the most part experimental and as such not for sale at this very moment. Excuse me, I'll just find the relevant page." After a short pause, a small rectangular window pops up in front of her, which splits off into several copies then she flicks it with her finger, one for each person in the room. It's a list of FAQs about the company on its own website, one of the questions and its answer confirming her belief. |
The avatar tilted it's head, "as you just said, if the weapons are experimental perhaps Ms Longstaff sought to test them under battlefield conditions...but that's probably not what was going on, unlike Countess Crey Molly doesn't seem to have a crack legal team at her beck and call to get her out of any jam so it wouldn't be worth the risk..."
She giggled, "for all we know television could have influenced Pious to beat up that villain who surrendered, you know too many 70's cop shows...it's about as sound as any of the other conspiracy theories being thrown around here."
Morpheus108's avatar nodded. "I agree, this speculation could go on forever. I'd prefer to focus on what we can confirm as fact. This may sound like a deviation from our topic, but I think it might be relevant: what is this about a 'duel' that Reverend Hunter interfered in? It was obviously important enough to rate a mention from miss Longstaff, unless this memo we were shown is a forgery?"
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MrBinky101 emoted a scratching of the head , requiring the displacing of his red Fez ...
" beyond what has been said here i know little of this Molly Longstaff , but any weapons maker would like a live test , even if its only a persnal try out of the weapon .."
MrBinky101 emoted a wide smile
" a duel , a bit outdated these days , but would indicate that Mr P did trust his foe , to some measure ..still it does smake of pride , and showboating .. not what one would hope from a longbow picked leader ..someones judgement was a bit off .. do we know the name of the other duelist ? "
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"Pay attention will you MrBinky101" Stephanie muttered. "He wasn't the one dueling. The footage showed this 'Longbow picked leader' doing the right thing when he interfered with the duel. Which you so well called 'showboating'. In fact, he's the only one who moved in to make an arrest.|
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MrBinky101 emoted a wide smile. "a duel , a bit outdated these days , but would indicate that Mr P did trust his foe , to some measure ..still it does smake of pride , and showboating .. not what one would hope from a longbow picked leader ..someones judgement was a bit off .. do we know the name of the other duelist ? "
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"As for the importance of the duel, from my research, it was Lord Defender, and I believe he works with the Unity Vigil, who instead of bringing in Headbreaker, as all heroes had been ordered to, decided he would play games of strength-matching.
"Binky, I have to ask, and this goes for the rest of you, because it seems everything I say in Pious's defence is ignored and overlooked; why are we still talking about this guy like he was in the wrong? And why are you trying to make up a 'conspiracy' where there isn't one?
"Molly Longstaff? Yeah, she's the one who actually put a bullet into the Priest, which according to medical reports, could have been the shot that perforated his ribcage. Mark my words, she is among those who killed him, and so are you if you carry on slapping dirt in his face."
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"Binky, I have to ask, and this goes for the rest of you, because it seems everything I say in Pious's defence is ignored and overlooked; why are we still talking about this guy like he was in the wrong? And why are you trying to make up a 'conspiracy' where there isn't one?
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You accuse Blinky of manufacturing conspiracies, but you are essentially manufacturing one yourself. You expect us all to take your unsubstantiated words as proof of what you say and wonder why we ignore them. Give us some solid information, please.
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Elise nodded, "sorry hun but the burden of providing proof is on you...can you show us the medical reports saying that Molly Longstaff's gun was reponsible for ending Pious's life?"
"As I said, there's no real way of knowing, the FBSA is going to keep things underwraps while Arachnos continue to tell half-truths, unless someone brings forward info and the eyewitnesses speak up, both hero and villain, to tell their sides of the story we're never going to get the full picture..."
MrBinky101 emoted a sagely nod ...
" we do seem to have a major absence of facts ..and not wishing to start another hoard of conspiracies .. might i pose the question why ?..
this Bodicia person seems to have access to tapes of the events ..can these not be made public ?
If a member of Unity Vigil was involved can we not get a statement from them ?
smoke and mirrors are in play it seems "
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"Well you just agreed that Binky's throwing conspiracies around. Exactly what are we talking about? Look, Molly shot him right in front of news cameras. It was all on TV! It's all over YouTube, what more proof do you need? And of Pious making arrests? Ask BODICIA to show you the CCTV footage again if you don't believe me. Molly Longstaff should be trialed. I'm not sure what for, but those cops should be doing something."
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You accuse Blinky of manufacturing conspiracies, but you are essentially manufacturing one yourself. You expect us all to take your unsubstantiated words as proof of what you say and wonder why we ignore them. Give us some solid information, please.
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"News cameras?" Geni asked, raising an eyebrow. "There's no cameras in Warburg. Trust me, I've checked..."
The avatar stopped there, its owner obviously realising it had said a bit too much, before emoting a sigh.
"Look, I snoop around tech channels and stuff a bit. And there isnt any footage of the incedent, bar whoever was actually there. Besides, I dont really know what good the arguing here is going to do...One way or another, he's dead. Thats not going to change anytime soon."
She looked around, shrugging. "Sorry. Its not nice, I know. But after living in the Isles for all your life...you get used to it..."
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((Judging by what I've read on the war plot, specifically the Warburg chatlog, I think the idea was that it was all streamed on news cameras? I'm sure that's what it said but I could be wrong. Anyway, if the thread is about Public Opinion and the topic is Molly Longstaff, isn't her turning her guns on Pious, rogue hero or not, who then died from injuries incurred, the real headlines for discussion? One way or another, her actions would have reached public knowledge. Carry on. 
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(( ok I hate OOC posting in an IC thread but I need to clarify this hopefully by the OP as well as others and in a PM. The duel in warburg was an IC reaction to the beating of HB in sirens and was pre set up between myself and Pious. He asked me personally if it was ok if Kahn was to kill off the priest as well as the other longbow agent to drag him out - I am struggling to see how the blame is now this Molly person seeing as the actual players involved had set this up in advance and it has been recorded in another thread with newspaper articles stating this.|
Originally Posted by Psianide
((Judging by what I've read on the war plot, specifically the Warburg chatlog, I think the idea was that it was all streamed on news cameras? I'm sure that's what it said but I could be wrong. Anyway, if the thread is about Public Opinion and the topic is Molly Longstaff, isn't her turning her guns on Pious, rogue hero or not, who then died from injuries incurred, the real headlines for discussion? One way or another, her actions would have reached public knowledge. Carry on.
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Apologies for breaking the OOC flow, I really am but im just beginning to get confused by the whole situation, i'll happily settle this in pm's so the rest of the thread can carry on without the ramblings of a crazy man
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"Hey I object to that! Longbow are -not- a big massive gang with jsut military hardware! We're a hero support organisation doing our damndest to try and make the world, especially places like the isles or Africa which is in such a terrible state with the Arachnos sponsered warlorrds carving up the poorer countries!"
She paused for breath once again, but soon resumed her seemingly limitless capacity for speech.
"It's true there are some good people who wind up working for a abd organisation like that, and thanks for sharing that and showing these people who wouldn't belive that on my accoun! This is why we have to give those Spiders who surrender or try to a chance to do so, or mabye even defect! It's happened before now, dispite Arachnos's best efforts!"
The Avatar paused, bringing up several historical entries from various websites, detailing the sum of Arachnos illegal activity, "And as you can see, they took over the Isles ina coup against the lawfully elected president in the sixties, have made repeated hostile attacks against the US and other countires, sponserd warlords and other mean people to make life hard for other countries"
"Not to mention thier human rights record is terrible! Civillian cargo ships that go near the isles, even ones just carrying medical aid are routinly attacked and raided, not to mention the acts of the 'Destined Ones', really for the good of the people of the Isles Recluse really needs to be over thrown, a lawful government put back in pwoer, and then those good people who joined the Spiders can help protect thier own in the right way, wihout supporting such a nasty regime!"