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Pretty sure those two aren't recipes ;P|
You received Positronic Matrix. You received Rikti Alloy. |
I think I have good news: check the list with your 361 rolls added. While the very last recipe (Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech) still ranks at 0.3x, the ones above it are 0.6x, 0.7x, 0.7x, 0.8x, 0.8x, 0.8x... the bottom one is probably an aberration due to low sample size, and as more rolls are added, the bottom will trend more and more towards 1.0x. Maybe another thousand rolls will do it?
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| My only concern with going through all of the effort will be that if the weightings get "tweaked" because we've uncovered something that needed fixing then all of the accumulated data will no longer be applicable to the updated game. |
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| I wouldn't dissuade anyone from contributing good data anyhow, but it would be nice to have a clear sense of where we would like to go with it. One of the things I'd like to know is if we have a clear consensus on when is enough per category (obviously it will never be too much). Is the 500 rolls enough? 1000? 10,000? |
Since almost all of the recipes in the 10-14 range already have 2 digits, I'd say 500 more rolls would do it, 1000 to be sure. The 20-24 roll, however, has a lot of recipes that rolled less than 10 times; so I'd say probably 1500 to 2000 more rolls. The 25-29 roll has even more recipes in the single digits, so at least 2500 more seem likely.
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This is what 3700 heroes in a single zone looks like.
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Third troller 9040 rolled I think, 10-14 again.
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Yah, I'm hoping that I don't poison your database if I click on the wrong sets. It's kind of getting to be a blur and I'm hoping I don't accidentally roll up and delete everything on live and delete my toon as well :P
You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Acc/Confuse/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Chance for Energy Damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Chance for Energy Damage (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Acc/Sleep/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Acc/Sleep/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Chance for Recharge Slow (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Chance for Energy Damage (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Acc/Sleep/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Chance for Energy Damage (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Acc/Sleep/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Chance for Stun (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Acc/Confuse/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Acc/Confuse/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Chance for Recharge Slow (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Acc/Confuse/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Chance for Recharge Slow (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Chance for Recharge Slow (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Chance for Recharge Slow (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Acc/Confuse/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Cacophony: Chance for Energy Damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Theft of Essence: Chance for +End (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Induced Coma: Chance for Recharge Slow (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Acc/Hold/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Neuronic Shutdown: Chance for Psionic damage (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Acc/Stun/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: End/Dam/Rech (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Commanding Presence: Acc/Dam/End (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Acc/Fear/Rech (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: Chance for Smashing Damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Pulverizing Fisticuffs: Acc/Dam/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Razzle Dazzle: Chance for Immobilize (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Debilitative Action: Acc/Immob/Rech (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Regenerative Tissue: End/Heal/Rech (Recipe). You received Impeded Swiftness: End/Rech/Slow (Recipe). You received Unspeakable Terror: Chance for Disorient (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Shield Breaker: Acc/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Eradication: Chance for energy damage (Recipe). You received Eradication: Acc/Dam/Rech/End (Recipe). You received Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (Recipe). You received Kismet: Def/End/Rech (Recipe). You received Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res (Recipe). You received Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (Recipe). You received Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (Recipe). You received Call to Arms: Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (Recipe).
And once again, the lowest-ranked recipes keep trending towars 1.0x. The bottom one jumped from 0.3x to 0.6x, the three above it went to 0.8x, and then two more reached for 0.9x. I think it's safe to say that the 10x range we were getting before was simply due to lack of data.
I think we can clearly call Impervious Skin: End/Rech/Res as the only 5x weight in the 10-14 range, as the next recipe in the table has a 4.1x weight. The rest of the breaks aren't so clear, but you can "kinda" see them. Great job there, Pum.
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Since almost all of the recipes in the 10-14 range already have 2 digits, I'd say 500 more rolls would do it, 1000 to be sure. The 20-24 roll, however, has a lot of recipes that rolled less than 10 times; so I'd say probably 1500 to 2000 more rolls. The 25-29 roll has even more recipes in the single digits, so at least 2500 more seem likely.
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26 Shield Breaker: Chance for Lethal Damage 1.58% 1 in 63 1.6x
25 Theft of Essence: Chance for +End 1.52% 1 in 66 1.6x
24 Cloud Senses: Chance for negative energy damage 1.45% 1 in 68 1.5x
24 Edict of the Master: Aura 5% Defense Buff for Pets 1.45% 1 in 68 1.5x
These are the cases that I'd feel better about if they were trending towards 1.0x or 2.0x for sample sizing.
I'd hope that Synapse would look at me with pity if I decided to roll and delete all my merits on live accidentally as well as restoring my toon if I did this on the live server...
Edit: It would interesting to tie this to the [rough] market value to see the most efficient way of monetizing merits. Eg., is rolling 1000 merits better than purchasing 5 LotG 7.5%? Which level category yields the best bang for the buck?
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I made a small change in the way the table is generated; cells that are on "the fence" between one and another have a light red background, to indicate we don't really know where they fit. I am assuming up to +/- .3 is fine; a recipe with a calculated weight of 2.7 or 3.3 is most likely weighted 3x; but a recipe with a calculated weight of 3.4, 3.5 or 3.6 is colored light red because we don't really know if it's a 3x recipe or a 4x recipe. Looks good?|
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
These are the cases that I'd feel better about if they were trending towards 1.0x or 2.0x for sample sizing.
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I'm going to assume that the weight for a given IO does not change based on the level. It may show up more or less often based on how big the pool is for a given level. For example, a Freebird +Stealth will show up twice as often in the range 15-19 as it would in the range 30-34, just because there are roughly twice as many IOs in the 30-34 pool.
Given that assumption, we can get weights for every IO by concentrating on the 25-29 and 46-50 ranges. The 25-29 range will give us all of the low and mid range IOs, while the 46-50 range will cover the remaining ones. Covering just these two ranges will also let us see if my assumption is wrong. There are about 40 IOs that overlap, and we'll see if the weights are the same for those in the different level ranges. Plus we already have a lot of data on the lower ranges to compare them against.
So everyone, please concentrate on the 25-29 and 46-50 ranges.
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I did some weight comparisons based on the level ranges we already have, and I'm tossing the data here for discussion. Excuse the commas as decimal separators, it's what Latin America uses and I don't feel like fixing it manually right now.
2,6x Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (10-14)
2,2x Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (15-19)
3,7x Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (20-24)
1,5x Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/End/Rech/Hold (25-29)
Three out of four ranges would confirm TopDoc's idea, but the 20-24 range is so close to 4x that the recipe is being either very misrepresented, or we need a lot more data to bring it down to 2x in line with the others.
2,7x Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (10-14)
3,1x Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (15-19)
2,2x Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (20-24)
2,7x Basilisk's Gaze: Chance for -Rech (25-29)
This recipe weights at 3x in three out of four ranges, but again, the 20-24 range has it weighting closer to 2x.
2,7x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (10 14)
1,9x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (15 19)
1,5x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (20 24)
1,7x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (25 29)
I think it's telling that this recipe weights closer to 3x in the 10-14 range (the one we have the more data on) but 2x in later ranges. Most people who know what they're doing will slot the lower level recipe in order to keep the bonus while exemplared down, making the low range recipe weighted higher than others.
2,0x Celerity: +Stealth (15-19)
0,7x Celerity: +Stealth (20-24)
0,5x Celerity: +Stealth (25-29)
0,9x Freebird: +Stealth (15-19)
0,5x Freebird: +Stealth (20-24)
1,2x Freebird: +Stealth (25-29)
0,8x Time & Space Manipulation: +Stealth (15-19)
0,7x Time & Space Manipulation: +Stealth (20-24)
1,5x Time & Space Manipulation: +Stealth (25-29)
1,9x Unbounded Leap: +Stealth (15-19)
1,9x Unbounded Leap: +Stealth (20-24)
0,2x Unbounded Leap: +Stealth (25-29)
Here we see that the low level Celerity and Unbounded Leap weights 2x while the other ranges are most likely 1x (the 25-29 Leap probably is suffering from lack of data misrepresenting it). Since people who PVP are more likely to slot lower level recipes, this would seem to confirm that the recipes are weighted individually in each level range. The Fly and TP stealth procs, less common in PVP, appear to remain 1x all around.
3,7x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (10-14)
3,6x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (15-19)
2,5x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (20-24)
1,8x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (25-29)
This recipe is interesting because it starts at almost 4x and goes down to 2x gradually, suggesting a 4x-4x-2x-2x progression. And it's not even a proc that becomes more valuable at lower levels.
Based on what I've seen so far, I don't think the weight for all recipes is the same across all level ranges. Certainly there's a lot that keep their weight on all level ranges, but I think that assuming all of them do is a bad idea.
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Just to add what I can here, if the drop system works the way Positron described reward tables working generally in I9, weights can be different between reward tables because the weight is not an intrinsic element of the drop, but rather just the number of entries in the table the drop possesses.|
Originally Posted by TopDoc
I'm going to assume that the weight for a given IO does not change based on the level.
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I'm assuming everyone is assuming the reward tables are still constructed that way, and that is the premise behind the assumption that all reward multipliers have to be whole numbers.
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So you're thinking they have, like,
LoTG: 7.5%
LoTG: 7.5%
LoTG: 7.5%
LoTG: 7.5%
LoTG: 7.5%
in the table? Seems odd to me... I suspect they picked integer weights because that keeps them from going crazy with overly fine tuning. "Yeah, we want a few more of these" means a 4, "We want a WHOLE LOT of these" is a 5, "nobody in the world wants that" means a 1. As opposed to making it "50" vs "52" vs "49."
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I have this memory of a Dev (likely Synapse) posting a drop table around a year ago. In it, there was a column for weighting that was all 1's, and he stated that it didn't have to be that way, but that it was out of a desire to "have everyone be equally likely to get a drop they can use" (which actually is a goal that weighting has helped us move towards).
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I'm actually just guessing. I know that at one point some of the reward tables were described as looking like that, but the current system could be a real table (as Liquid suggests). But if it is, then all bets are off on the weights being whole numbers. Although the devs are generally loathe to use weird decimals, they could have used a spreadsheet to compute those tables, and if they did, Excel doesn't have the same reluctance to generate random decimal numbers as the devs do.
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So you're thinking they have, like,
LoTG: 7.5% LoTG: 7.5% LoTG: 7.5% LoTG: 7.5% LoTG: 7.5% in the table? |
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Originally Posted by Leandro
2,7x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (10 14)
1,9x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (15 19) 1,5x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (20 24) 1,7x Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) (25 29) I think it's telling that this recipe weights closer to 3x in the 10-14 range (the one we have the more data on) but 2x in later ranges. Most people who know what they're doing will slot the lower level recipe in order to keep the bonus while exemplared down, making the low range recipe weighted higher than others. |
The 10-14 level Zephyr has a 1 in 24 chance of appearing, while the 25-29 Zephyr has a 1 in 75 chance of appearing (if you were to look at it as 2x as opposed to 1.7x). If you were looking to roll and get a Zephyr knockback recipe, the 10-14 is 3 times more likely to appear than in 25-29.
So catching up...is the theory then that you should be able to do a number of rolls for a certain range, find the lowest incidence of a recipe and conclude that that recipe has just one entry in the table*, and then all others in that range should be an integer multiple of that? Then once you find the "multiplier" for a particular recipe you can assume that it is the same for all level ranges?
*I suppose it's possible that even the rarest recipe is in the table more than one time, but I kinda hope that isn't the case, just to make things a little easier
edit: yeah, and I guess if that is the assumption, TopDoc is right in that rolls should be limited to the smallest number of ranges that cover all recipes
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Certainly. I would expect this to play out across each range for many, if not all recipes.
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Another interesting part of this story is not just the weighting but also the number of other recipes in that particular group.
The 10-14 level Zephyr has a 1 in 24 chance of appearing, while the 25-29 Zephyr has a 1 in 75 chance of appearing (if you were to look at it as 2x as opposed to 1.7x). If you were looking to roll and get a Zephyr knockback recipe, the 10-14 is 3 times more likely to appear than in 25-29. |
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Originally Posted by Leandro
3,7x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (10-14) 3,6x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (15-19) 2,5x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (20-24) 1,8x Salvo: Acc/Dam/End/Range (25-29) This recipe is interesting because it starts at almost 4x and goes down to 2x gradually, suggesting a 4x-4x-2x-2x progression. And it's not even a proc that becomes more valuable at lower levels. |
AFAIK, the original Pool C table was not weighed at all (except for maybe uniques and LotGs), so giving a relatively "unworthy" recipe such a heavy weight could have been the only reasonable alternative to adding another Range Damage recipe set at this range and/or reshuffling the 10-14 range itself.
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I wanted to help with this project. The rarest recipe I currently have is a purple Confuse proc that I'm waiting to slot when my current character eventually dings 50. I printed it out, weighed it carefully, and can conclusively say it ways roughly as much as the paper it was printed on.
Let me know if you want other recipes weighed.
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What interests me the most is how weighty some resistance and defense recipes seem to be, especially when they supercede melee damage and range damage, which I assumed would carry the heaviest weight.
And slow sets like Impeded Swiftness and Pacing of the Turtle seem much to high to be properly weighted . . . . UNLESS . . . . what if they based their weighting off of datamining of how many powers on existing characters could take a certain IO.
If instead of adding up available powers it added up powers actually taken by players, then the prevalence of scrappers and fire/kin controllers could account for these seemingly odd deviations.
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The reverse. The number with the lowest amount of error will be the highest frequency roll. And assuming that is 5x, all others should be multiples of Max/5.
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So catching up...is the theory then that you should be able to do a number of rolls for a certain range, find the lowest incidence of a recipe and conclude that that recipe has just one entry in the table*, and then all others in that range should be an integer multiple of that? Then once you find the "multiplier" for a particular recipe you can assume that it is the same for all level ranges?
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Ah - got it. I'd missed the part that the max weighting is 5, but assuming that this makes sense. Given enough rolls, each recipe will basically fall into one of five bins then?
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The reverse. The number with the lowest amount of error will be the highest frequency roll. And assuming that is 5x, all others should be multiples of Max/5.
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Ah - got it. I'd missed the part that the max weighting is 5, but assuming that this makes sense. Given enough rolls, each recipe will basically fall into one of five bins then?
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The Character Ccopy tool finally let a copy of my main through, so I added another 150 rolls to Level 10-14 to try to push the numbers closer to integers. There are 9 recipes that very stubbornly refuse to get in line for an integer, and I'm crossing my fingers that a truckload more data will show them belonging to one grouping or another. While I work on that, everybody else please follow TopDoc's advice and work on 25-29.
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10-14 range. Sorry that this is using the 7200 merit troller, my badge toon has fewer merits than my other toons but can carry the most recipes, which makes it less wearing to do the rolls.:
I'm not sure if Synapse would give a thumbs up to say that everything will be OK if we do a single large sample or not, but it would be my preference if he did so we can go hog wild on the rest of the groups.
I wouldn't dissuade anyone from contributing good data anyhow, but it would be nice to have a clear sense of where we would like to go with it. One of the things I'd like to know is if we have a clear consensus on when is enough per category (obviously it will never be too much). Is the 500 rolls enough? 1000? 10,000?