Official Freedom PVP Ladder Thread
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black_barrier,
Posted on: 2010-01-06 11:36 in Everything about PvP
dUmbabation.
we really need to get an official going. If we can generate enough hype in the arena channel here to get people to come watch, maybe we can get more participants.
Im sure we'll get our pants smashed off..but it could be interesting
Getting participants will involve getting groups of people into PvP. There is word in the air of League (separate from the ladder) in the planning stages.
The league would allow people to enter themselves into a team PvP environment via drafting pool. This way people could enter without actually needing to have a team of 8 ready to go. Hopefully, such an event would increase external interests in a ladder. I'm not a fan of draft picks, but if a draft-league gets going it would be good for the stagnant but ambitious PvP community that exists now.
I'm personally against running ladder officials, or even announcing that a ladder official exists until there is strong internal support for it. That said, I'd be glad to schedule unofficial pick-up matches with anyone who has a team of 8.
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Originally Posted by Silit
Getting participants will involve getting groups of people into PvP. There is word in the air of League (separate from the ladder) in the planning stages.
The league would allow people to enter themselves into a team PvP environment via drafting pool. This way people could enter without actually needing to have a team of 8 ready to go. Hopefully, such an event would increase external interests in a ladder. I'm not a fan of draft picks, but if a draft-league gets going it would be good for the stagnant but ambitious PvP community that exists now. I'm personally against running ladder officials, or even announcing that a ladder official exists until there is strong internal support for it. That said, I'd be glad to schedule unofficial pick-up matches with anyone who has a team of 8. |
75% of the pvpr's that are newer to the game do not have a team, or even the knowledge it would take to form up a successful one. By running a league, lets say with a 10 person roster with 5 drafts for a total of 15 with a rule that everyone plays I think we have a better chance of getting something going.
Having 3 teams that will just beat each other up occassionally just isn't any fun. It was one of the worst aspects of the test ladder. I can remember a month or more going by on many occassions with no offical matches.
Not only that but lets be honest here. If 3 teams scoop up all the decent players there isn't any reason for anyone else to make other teams anyways. They will have nothing to look forward to because they will stay at the bottom forever. However if we break up the bigger teams in to smaller rosters with draft picks it spreads out the elite and gives the noobs a chance to actually experience highend pvp without being nothing but cannon fodder on the bottom of the ladder. I mean who the **** wants to pvp to just be stuck at last place all the time? Also who wants to spend the time and dedication it takes to build a team, pl, farm for builds and IO out toons to fight the same 2-3 teams every now and then? Especially with this being on live where building toons doesn't have an easy button like test would have for copying over what we need.
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Lets just all make psi/ems and be good.
| However if we break up the bigger teams in to smaller rosters with draft picks it spreads out the elite and gives the noobs a chance to actually experience highend pvp without being nothing but cannon fodder on the bottom of the ladder. |
dUmb challenges whoever has a team for initial 1/2 rankings. Lets start this. Feel free to debate hypotheticals ad nauseam in the meantime.
I'm all for a supplemental draft, but frankly if you have 10 PvP players you know and 5 new players, who's going to start? Also, if I have 15-20 people I know/sort of know, I'd rather that be my roster.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Ideally, the draft and ladder would be separate events, as stated before. From what I understand, a certain number of drafted/pre-picked players would need to play in each individual match, ensuring that the drafts have the ability to play in matches.|
Originally Posted by Slax
dUmb challenges whoever has a team for initial 1/2 rankings. Lets start this. Feel free to debate hypotheticals ad nauseam in the meantime.
I'm all for a supplemental draft, but frankly if you have 10 PvP players you know and 5 new players, who's going to start? Also, if I have 15-20 people I know/sort of know, I'd rather that be my roster. |
Since we do need to take some initiative here, I'll get a roster up an accept your challenge if we can set up the final rule-set, regardless of how many teams are on the ladder.
It's going down like a hurricane
LF Arena Team
Many moons ago there was something called the TpvpL on test server. I might have the name wrong but thats neither here nor there.Anyway the test pvp people formed a temp league in order to get some new blood and expand the official ladder.Basically, a few seasoned people volunteered to be Captains in a league based on open draft.It ended up being pretty big.With the amount of zone pvp that happens on Freedom I betcha this is doable again.The key is getting 5-10 seasoned fella's to volunteer to head up the teams.Basically, establish the Captains to have an idea of the amount of teams. Issue a signup thread for a draft pool.Everyone signs up in that pool...... the seasoned players who are not Captains and also any player(not seasoned) with an interest in participating. Sign up includes global name and a list of their pvp viable AT's.Put a time limit on signups and be specific about there being practice schedules as well as matches.Let players know that they are entering a team for a league and practices are important and mandatory for participation.
The Captains met in vent for the "draft' and established the teams. I think they used s system like NFL draft picks to set teams. Each team was a mix of expert,mediocre and novice. Every Captain could pick up buddies in the draft but they also tried to somewhat balance the teams.Teams got posted in the thread and off it went. Some of the Captains did temp websites for team practice schedules etc. Voice com was a must.I think the league ran for about 6 weeks.... 2 weeks for practices and then a month with the weekly matches.
The thing to remember here is the point of doing something like this is to help players make the transition from zone pvping to arena pvping.I cannot remember who was the main organizer.. I want to say Johnny(something thats on the tip of my tongue).
Anyway? You keep the official ladder seperate and start something like the above to GET MORE people interested in arena. You tell people about it and encourage that guy who says" I love pvp but am not good enough for arena" to join up and see what its all about.There is also the added benefit to scope out new talent for the officials and expand those team rosters.
Yea... it sounds like a pain in the *** to get going but the longterm benefits to the official ladder might be worth hosting something like this again.
I KNOW some of y'all remember this league even if it happenned 2-3 years ago!
Edited to add: Ok...... who volunteers to be a Captain?
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That would be the whole purpose behind the "everyone" plays rule. If you have a 15 man roster, 10 team roster picked players and 5 drafts. That is 15. First match half play, second match half play. Of course common sense tells us if a 3rd match is necessary then any team is going to send in their heavy hitters. Chances are everyone isnt going to show up for every match so then maybe the draft guys get to play a little more than anticipated or visa versa. Point is everyone plays and you don't have to be a "kool kid" to get to play.|
Originally Posted by Slax
dUmb challenges whoever has a team for initial 1/2 rankings. Lets start this. Feel free to debate hypotheticals ad nauseam in the meantime.
I'm all for a supplemental draft, but frankly if you have 10 PvP players you know and 5 new players, who's going to start? Also, if I have 15-20 people I know/sort of know, I'd rather that be my roster. |
There seems to be this habit that noobs have to earn the right to get to pvp with the veterans. I see it in kickball every night. The people that come that no one knows get picked last, or not at all. Even if their toons are a better choice for the team. Even if they have fabulous builds and HP. Ok cool, I get the point of people wanting to team with those they trust. However pvpr's are an already dieing breed in this game. We need to open up and present everyone with more opportunities to learn and join in on all pvp. Our events, leagues and ladders need to be put together in a way that embraces new pvpr's.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
There seems to be this habit that noobs have to earn the right to get to pvp with the veterans. I see it in kickball every night. The people that come that no one knows get picked last, or not at all. Even if their toons are a better choice for the team. Even if they have fabulous builds and HP. Ok cool, I get the point of people wanting to team with those they trust. However pvpr's are an already dieing breed in this game. We need to open up and present everyone with more opportunities to learn and join in on all pvp. Our events, leagues and ladders need to be put together in a way that embraces new pvpr's.
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I have been back to the CoX scene for about a week now. When I came back all my buds welcomed me back with open arms, for that I am very appreciative because I know I am pretty rusty still. I have also made quite a few new friends that I had never met. I really think that the PvP community is clouded with this poor reputation that very few actually live up to.
I joined up on the KB matches and still had a blast. The only time I ever see a person "fat kidded" with a viable build is because the person has a bad reputation they have created themselves. The only other times is when we just have too many people (ie more then 16).
Anyways, I really like the idea of having a draft and sharing the "PvP Elite" talent. TPvPL was always great fun and a lot of new players gained a solid bit of knowledge from participating.
Regards,
Kiri
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Originally Posted by DitzyBlonde
Many moons ago there was something called the TpvpL on test server.o!
Edited to add: Ok...... who volunteers to be a Captain? |
Yeah, that's what the league would be like (TPvPL = Test PvP league). It would be on freedom though. If we are going to further discuss it, we should do so in a different thread. This thread should be used for editing ladder rules/posting rosters/issuing challenges.
I'm fairly certain that the newly headed PvPec already has something like this in the works.
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He's talking about elf stalker.
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Originally Posted by IcyKiri
This is just my 2 inf so take it with a grain of salt.
I have been back to the CoX scene for about a week now. When I came back all my buds welcomed me back with open arms, for that I am very appreciative because I know I am pretty rusty still. I have also made quite a few new friends that I had never met. I really think that the PvP community is clouded with this poor reputation that very few actually live up to. I joined up on the KB matches and still had a blast. The only time I ever see a person "fat kidded" with a viable build is because the person has a bad reputation they have created themselves. The only other times is when we just have too many people (ie more then 16). Anyways, I really like the idea of having a draft and sharing the "PvP Elite" talent. TPvPL was always great fun and a lot of new players gained a solid bit of knowledge from participating. Regards, Kiri |
I wouldn't mind a month long league to get people into the arena more and hopefully teams are formed, but it should just end as that. A Ladder, should one ever arise, needs to be made of pre-assembled teams. Just because people are new doesn't mean they should just be put with the upper teams.
There are probably a lot of unteamed people that I don't know that are better than most of the dUmb roster, but I wouldn't want them on my team. Its nothing personal, I just like PvPing with people I know. When we joined the test ladder back in the Day, we didn't join up with an upper level team for a month or two to learn - we just played. We got stomped more often than not, but we learned as a team and grew as a team.
Anyways, are there even going to be enough people willing to captain a League format?
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Yes we do. We have the rules all worked out, have for months now but got sidetracked between waiting for prize support and our now ex-leader taking a hiatus. I finally got us some pretty good prize support just this week. We need to set up a meeting with me, Peril, you and Sneaky to go over the rules again and I guess get it moving forward.
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Originally Posted by Silit
I'm fairly certain that the newly headed PvPec already has something like this in the works.
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I wasn't though. I know why elf stalker is the fat kid more than most being I am from his same home server. I am talking more about the people who nobody knows. Because they are not known, in a good way or a bad way, they are last choice usually. Not saying people are necessarily wrong for that, but its not exactly a good way to make new people feel welcome either. I am guilty of it too. First picks will always be the people that are known to be good. If we all make a concientious effort in not only kickball but in pvp events in general to be a little more noob friendly it can only benefit us as a whole. More people feeling welcome ='s more pvp'rs ='s more competition.|
Originally Posted by black_barrier
He's talking about elf stalker.
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While we might not be able to get rid of the habit of wanting to team with those we know are decent we can kick the habit of making rules in events or making leagues / ladders that do not give new pvpr's a fair shot.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Yes we do. We have the rules all worked out, have for months now but got sidetracked between waiting for prize support and our now ex-leader taking a hiatus. I finally got us some pretty good prize support just this week. We need to set up a meeting with me, Peril, you and Sneaky to go over the rules again and I guess get it moving forward.
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Thats all well and good but most that pvp now are doing it for the fun(dimished as that might be compared to before).I don't see how prizes matter one way or the other. I also don't see how waiting is a good idea when free transfers are up pretty soon. Rules? By pvpec...?C'mon(we all know how great thats worked out in the past)?No offense but Pvpec as lead by RaidController was horribad.......Hell? I have a sneaky suspicion that buncha bs is why we all got stuck with this sort of pvp in the first place.The rules are the rules accepted by the official ladder. There's your rules. Because the whole point is to make a tball league to prep people for AllStars.Whats so hard about understanding ANY of THAT?If its in the works.. then dooo it...... Gawd.
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Once again. This post is for the ladder, not disputes over who should run the league. Red tape status. I'll effectively give my response to this in the league discussion thread.
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Originally Posted by DitzyBlonde
Thats all well and good but most that pvp now are doing it for the fun(dimished as that might be compared to before).I don't see how prizes matter one way or the other. I also don't see how waiting is a good idea when free transfers are up pretty soon. Rules? By pvpec...?C'mon(we all know how great thats worked out in the past)?No offense but Pvpec as lead by RaidController was horribad.......Hell? I have a sneaky suspicion that buncha bs is why we all got stuck with this sort of pvp in the first place.The rules are the rules accepted by the official ladder. There's your rules. Because the whole point is to make a tball league to prep people for AllStars.Whats so hard about understanding ANY of THAT?If its in the works.. then dooo it...... Gawd.
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How is this going? I see dUmb issued a challenge so are they #1?
I don't think we are actually doing a ladder yet. The league will determine whether a ladder will float or sink. A ladder is too specific of an interest for most to get involved in.
With the league, anyone can sign up without having to tryout/get a roster together.
dUmb challenges themselves.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit