Is there a point in badging twice still?


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I started badge hunting hero side. Makes me wonder though, with GR coming out, if there is any point in badging twice.

My heroine has "Celebrant", which my villain may never get, depending on if those go global or not. Positron said he would look into that, but we never heard anything else.

Sadys has "bug hunter" and "Master thief", and my hero can't get either of those, unless I'm lucky again in the former and they bring back or re-purpose the latter.

So, is it worth doing twice, since after GR the total available will be the same, and neither side has an advantage over the other?


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Personally.. I had only my Hero badge hunter for a long time.. but then recently I decided to make a second one.. and it didn't take much time or effort to get most of them a second time.

Then I decided to finally make a Villain badger too. I haven't done much with her yet, but I think that's because most of the PiTA badges would be more easier to come by once I have access to Heroside.

That said.. it's probably worth waiting to see how GR actually impacts the badges first before deciding, and after that it's just personal preference. Some people people just have 1 badge hunter, some don't care for badges at all.. some just go for accolades.. others try to get everything on all their characters. Me.. I'll most likely keep badging on the same 3 I already have.. and maybe even add a 4th one if I feel the need.

I don't see a point in throwing away or stopping on a character just because they may end up with the same badges.. I mean.. it doesn't usually take significantly longer to get new badges on 2 characters than it does on only one. And for all we know, even if both sides may have access to mostly similar badges, there might still be minor differences that may make it worth it to some people to still hunt from "both sides", or even a 3rd, depending on if Praets are any different as well.

On a side note, I gave up on bug hunter a long time ago. I report stuff all the time and am an active member in the tech area of these boards, but it doesn't seem to matter much. That, combined with the fact that I'll always be behind by 2 years of anniversary and veteran badges.. means one more badge doesn't make a difference. lol


 

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I think as Master-Blade implied this is the kind of question we can't really answer yet because we know virtually nothing about how the whole badge thing is going to play out when Going Rogue happens. I have some general ideas about what I plan to do about it, but until I know exactly what the pros and cons are of switching sides it's kind of hard to say with absolute certainty. There is no guarantee that characters who started on either side will ever be 100% "equal" in this regard.

Even though we've only had serious news about side switching in the last year or so the Devs have been hinting at giving it to us almost from the beginning, even before CoV was finished. This is the main reason why I was never too serious about having a villain badger - I took a gamble that eventually, in some far off future, we'd get the chance to switch sides in some form or fashion. I'm obviously looking forward to seeing how that turns out.


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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing View Post
I started badge hunting hero side. Makes me wonder though, with GR coming out, if there is any point in badging twice.

My heroine has "Celebrant", which my villain may never get, depending on if those go global or not. Positron said he would look into that, but we never heard anything else.

Sadys has "bug hunter" and "Master thief", and my hero can't get either of those, unless I'm lucky again in the former and they bring back or re-purpose the latter.

So, is it worth doing twice, since after GR the total available will be the same, and neither side has an advantage over the other?
Depends on whether you do it because you like to collect badges or because you want them to show off to others. If it's the former, then, yes, there still is.
If it's the later well, not much point in having two copies of the same stuff is there?

This is, of course, assuming that all the Hero badges will be available to Rogues and all the Villain badges will be available to Vigilantes.

Either way, I'll still be doing them on my main Hero and main Villain. And here's hoping they doing put in the "choose if you want to go or stay" kind of badges. Those really piss me off. As much as the Patron ones V side do.


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i got 17 badges but then i got obsessive compulsive disorder so it a must for me to do. same with get my toon to 50 :S.

anyways it what you want to do, not what other want you to do as if it make you feel good then do it, if not and you think your wasting your time do something else you might enjoy doing


 

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Well...my point is I have one villain and one hero that collect badges. As things are now, they are considered different categories. Two different attainable totals, apples and oranges.
Kind of why I was motivated to do it twice, but only twice. I'm not going to strive for every badge on every character.

GR will possibly change that. If my logic was two hunters for two possibilities...

This all depends on whether or not there are exclusive badges for never switching, as well.


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I'm with MB and Lothic on this, Sadys. I think, before really making a hard and fast decision on this stuff, we need a LOT more information.

As it stands today, I have every badge that is "commonly" considered attainable (i.e., not counting Passport, Bug Hunter, etc.) on my badge toon except for a total of nine -- three are DJ-related, the two top epic damage badges, and the rest are Vet badges that will come in time but, because my PC at the time couldn't run CoH, I'll always be 12 months behind on (which is no biggie, by the way).

I'll realistically get the DJ and damage badges by the end of January, but I have yet to decide on whether to switch her over to red-side when GR comes. I'm really torn on whether getting the villain-only badges at the potential expense of the blue-side badges (depending on the mechanic the devs use on badges post-move, if any; and by "expense" I mean that they may suppress/hide them, etc.) will be worth it for me. To me, if you can't "see" the badge on a toon, the toon might as well not have the badge.

So I have to wait and see what happens before making a decision. I think your situation is similar, and in your shoes I'd just continue to badge on your hero and you should have enough data to make an informed decision before too many more months elapse.


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*sings* *BADLY*

All I want fer Christmas is some badge info,
Some badge info,
Some badge info.

All I want fer Christmas is some badge info,
So I can know 'f I should go Rogue!


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*sings* *badly*

all i want fer christmas is some badge info,
some badge info,
some badge info.

All i want fer christmas is some badge info,
so i can know 'f i should go rogue!
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!


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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man View Post
*sings* *BADLY*

All I want fer Christmas is some badge info,
Some badge info,
Some badge info.

All I want fer Christmas is some badge info,
So I can know 'f I should go Rogue!
LOL! Well, depending on when "Early 2010" is, we should know fairly soon...


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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson View Post
I'm with MB and Lothic on this, Sadys. I think, before really making a hard and fast decision on this stuff, we need a LOT more information.
Therefore, keep your options open. If you've already identified one or more potential badge-hunting toons, get the Winter Event badges just to be on the safe side.


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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing View Post
So, is it worth doing twice, since after GR the total available will be the same, and neither side has an advantage over the other?
Badging is all about having climbed a ridiculously high mountain, looking down, and texting to the whole world, "see that speck up there? Me."

Having said that, is it really worth going through the motions by GR side switching? I don't know; it depends on the concrete value returned to my former hero/villain for having done so. Story-wise, the only toon I have who'd do this is my main badger, Dr. Turgenev (hell, I built him to fall way back in 2004). That I could get badges for doing us is just icing on the cake... but it really depends on how they implement it.

So, is it worth it? I don't know; it depends on qualitative information on how the badging process will be managed, and how it impacts the character overall. Turg's Jury is still out on this one.


 

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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson View Post
I'll realistically get the DJ and damage badges by the end of January, but I have yet to decide on whether to switch her over to red-side when GR comes. I'm really torn on whether getting the villain-only badges at the potential expense of the blue-side badges (depending on the mechanic the devs use on badges post-move, if any; and by "expense" I mean that they may suppress/hide them, etc.) will be worth it for me. To me, if you can't "see" the badge on a toon, the toon might as well not have the badge.
I think Hero 1 was the only one who hinted the badges for one side might be "hidden" if you cross to the other, but that was back during SDCC 09.

The other devs seemed to contradict this saying you would still have all your badges at hero con.


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ok, see that dead horse over there? You guessed it...

While I have no chance of getting the first two anversity badges since I have only been playing for 3 years, I really think that if you have been playing or paying during that time you should get them for all your characters there are certain badges you get only certain times like Halloween or Christmas or whatever and you always get another chance to get them you can even trade in candy cains for some of them so why not make those availible to all characters
ok there I said it!!!


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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing View Post
I think Hero 1 was the only one who hinted the badges for one side might be "hidden" if you cross to the other, but that was back during SDCC 09.

The other devs seemed to contradict this saying you would still have all your badges at hero con.
I think ever since badges were created it was evident that each badge has a different name for each side, and that eventual side switching would change the name of the badge. That being the case, it wouldn't make sense to hide them.


 

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I think ever since City of Villains was created it was evident that each badge has a different name for each side, and that eventual side switching would change the name of the badge. That being the case, it wouldn't make sense to hide them.
Fixt. Badges predated CoV by a long shot.


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Fixt. Badges predated CoV by a long shot.


 

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I think ever since badges were created it was evident that each badge has a different name for each side, and that eventual side switching would change the name of the badge. That being the case, it wouldn't make sense to hide them.
MB, I wasn't referring to hiding the "shared" badges -- obviously the name would change and the badge (with the proper red- or blue-side name as altered) would stay on the toon.

I'm referring to the NON-shared badges, ones that are only available to one faction or the other.

Let me put it another way: if my badge toon cannot ADD to its in-game badge count total by switching sides, then I see no point in bothering.


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MB, I wasn't referring to hiding the "shared" badges -- obviously the name would change and the badge (with the proper red- or blue-side name as altered) would stay on the toon.

I'm referring to the NON-shared badges, ones that are only available to one faction or the other.

Let me put it another way: if my badge toon cannot ADD to its in-game badge count total by switching sides, then I see no point in bothering.
Many faction-only, NON-shared badges have alternate names too.

Badges for completing the hero-side TFs have alternate Villain names as well, for example.
Positron's Ally -> Positron's Betrayer


 

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MB, I wasn't referring to hiding the "shared" badges -- obviously the name would change and the badge (with the proper red- or blue-side name as altered) would stay on the toon.

I'm referring to the NON-shared badges, ones that are only available to one faction or the other.

Let me put it another way: if my badge toon cannot ADD to its in-game badge count total by switching sides, then I see no point in bothering.
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Many faction-only, NON-shared badges have alternate names too.

Badges for completing the hero-side TFs have alternate Villain names as well, for example.
Positron's Ally -> Positron's Betrayer
A partial list of potential problem badges:

Isolator. Villains were specifically blocked from getting this badge according to Positron. This was designed for the RV contaminated.

Multidimensional. Villains were able to get it for a month, and then it was stripped from them 1 month after issue 7 launch.

Fire Thorn Caster gladiator. Stripped from villain characters during the Issue 7 patch.

Button Man Gunner gladiator. Stripped from villain characters during the Issue 7 patch.

Nebula Buckshot gladiator. Stripped from villain characters during the Issue 7 patch.

Villain Disruptor. I believe this was blocked on villains.

Hero Slayer. I believe this was blocked on heroes.




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A partial list of potential problem badges
If I had to guess the Devs decided to block certain badges from one faction or another because they assumed (up until the time being) that the factions were not going to be allowed to switch sides. While I don't agree with that policy I can at least understand it.

If I recall correctly Positron mentioned that when he first restricted villains from getting the RV Isolator that it was in fact the very first time they had ever bothered to specifically hardcode that kind of thing. If that's the case then there was technically a time that (theoretically at least) any character could get any badge regardless of faction. The only thing that kept people from getting certain badges was simply a lack of zone access.

Seems like when Going Rogue happens all they really need to do is revert this game back to the state which removes any factional restrictions on earning badges. Now of course there may still be some individual badges that'll pose some unique challenges for the Devs (such as how the patron badges will work) but all in all I expect many of the 'artificial' factional restrictions to go away with GR.


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I don't plan on badging twice. I plan on getting the easy accolades on one side and then switching to get the easy ones on the other side (i.e. Geas instead of FoN, Demonic instead of Magus, etc.), if we can switch sides and keep earned accolades. If not, feh, I won't bother.


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I don't plan on badging twice. I plan on getting the easy accolades on one side and then switching to get the easy ones on the other side (i.e. Geas instead of FoN, Demonic instead of Magus, etc.), if we can switch sides and keep earned accolades. If not, feh, I won't bother.
I don't know what they'll do about the accolade badges, but Posi specifically stated (as did other devs I believe) at Hero Con that you will NOT be able to "double dip" accolade powers, and that they will be suppressed when crossed over to the opposite faction.


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I don't know what they'll do about the accolade badges, but Posi specifically stated (as did other devs I believe) at Hero Con that you will NOT be able to "double dip" accolade powers, and that they will be suppressed when crossed over to the opposite faction.
Yes, but I don't think that precludes anyone from switching to the easier side in order to "single dip" each accolade. In other words, switch sides because the requirements for demonic are easier than archmage.


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Yes, but I don't think that precludes anyone from switching to the easier side in order to "single dip" each accolade. In other words, switch sides because the requirements for demonic are easier than archmage.
Yes, that's true. But so what? If you switch back, the power would suppress/disappear anyway. If someone wants to bring a toon to one side permanently simply because of that factor, I say more power to 'em.


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