-Regen

The DPS potential for Energy Blast isn't very good. The damage on its attacks isn't high enough to counter their long activation times.

GMs have strong resistance to -slows. I think you really won't notice the effect just from Ice Blast's stacking.

You know, I'm confused. I thought we agreed after the AV/GM regen change that -regen wasn't that useful anymore. And here we have more than one person with numbers showing regen is pretty much necessary to do anything.

Maybe I'm mistaken and that agreement was only for AVs and not GMs?

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

It lasts 10 seconds every time it pulses, so the last pulse should end after either 40s total, or 39 if it expires before the last pulse.

d'oh, you're right. Still a little full of turkey ~_~

when discussing teaming one point -res has in its favour, is that it works for everyone in an additive manner, and is fairly open ended.

Full -regen may get you 300 DPS 'worth' but a strong source of -res (like the son/son I just ran a TF with) can easily be doubling the DPS of the damage dealers on the team (as well as throwing thier own DPS in there). You can't ever get better than zeroing out the regen.

Add in a fulcrum shift and the -res just gets stupidly effective.

That's why the focus for the -Regen discussion is soloing hard targets. Most of the ATs that can deal that sort of -Regen debuff don't have awesome base DPS, so they're levering a small base force. When you've got a whole team with several strong damage dealers, multiplying that force can definitely outstrip the effective DPS benefits of even 100% -Regen.

To TRTerror's point, though, it's usually worth it to apply both if you have them, at least on AV-class critters and up.

Just curious:

It was said above that GM regen is about 360 HP/sec. I believe AVs are about 100 HP/sec. Is that correct?

Against AVs, which weighs more? -regen or -RES? It seems like -RES may pull ahead there, since -RES should remain the same (barring resistances) while -regen can at most zero out regen, so -100 HP/sec.

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Which is more useful will always depend on your raw DPS. Like for Scrappers, they can take AVs down with no debuffs of either type. Something like a Rad/Psi might still prefer -Regen, while something like a Storrm/Sonic might pull it off on -DR. (I made that last one up, so maybe they can't. Based on Lumi's numbers above, it seemed reasonable.)

The way to determine it is to figure out the effective DPS of the -Regen effect on your target, and then figure out what your damage multiplier for -DR can be. The latter is pretty easy for most of the major -DR effects, but Sonic Attack gets kind of interesting. Anyway, when your base DPS times the -DR multiplier meets the effective DPS of your -Regen, that's the turning point.

If you have Scrappers that can hit 150 DPS, with two or three such Scrappers and a 30% DR debuff and you're looking at meeting or exceeding the 90-ish DPS regen rate of an AV just with the bonus damage. Of course, that assumes you're really delivering 150 DPS per Scrapper through any damage resistance the AVs have. The more DR they have to you're team's attacks, the more attractive -Regen looks again.

Yeah, AVs regen at around 90ish hp/sec (at level 50)

-Regen is almost always more important than -res. When soloing hard targets -res is baiscly meaningless while -regen makes a huge difference. When in large teams, -res starts to pull ahead in importance proportional to team size (the bigger the team, the more important -res becomes). Ideally you'd get 2 -regen debuffers (any combination of Rad, Traps, Therm, Cold, Dark; usually enough to shut down GM regen) then -res debuffers, then damage dealers (in that order of priority)

Think Storm's main source of damage against AVs is actually Tornado :O

LS was so badass when it inherited recharge bonuses.