Add more damage to Cobra Strike

Don't you find it silly to say it "does not do anything else other than stun" then go on to say "it has the very minor damage" in the same sentence?

You just contradicted yourself.

You keep justifying this power on views that you have to use it with Eagle's Claw and/or Thunder Kick.

You should not have to use another power for Cobra Strike to work "correctly" on a boss.

It's as simple as this...

Cobra Strike, alone, on a boss, will not do anything.

I'm making a point...if you can't understand that by now then I'm sorry I didn't spell it out for you.

I'm basically saying the damage on Cobra Strike is so minor that it's basically not there. That is why I started this thread suggesting that Cobra Strike's damage should be raised.

Again, not true. It will apply a Mag 3 stun and do minor damage. Expecting it to do anything beyond that is silly.

What is so silly about expecting Cobra Strike to apply a Mag 3 stun and do MODERATE damage?

It simply doesn't need it. The set DPS and control is balanced well enough as it stands now. The DPS data charts bare this out. To add damage to Cobra Strike, damage from some other power(s) in the set will need to be reduced. If the stun mag is increased, the stun duration will need to be reduced to keep it balanced. This will impact the effectiveness and survivability of the set as it was intended to work.

I'm just going to use this quote since you keep repeating yourself anyway.

You're working under the flawed assumption that Cobra Strike needs to be more effective against bosses to be worthwhile. This ignores three very important things:

1) Cobra Strike can instantly stun lower ranked enemies, which can be more dangerous than a boss. (And stun cannot be broken by damage, unlike fear.)

2) MA already gets two knockback/knockdown powers that, while not totally reliable, work on bosses.

3) MA gets two other stun powers that are meant to synergize with Cobra Strike. Dark Melee doesn't get two fear powers to stack. You'll also note that due to its potency, Touch of Fear does zero damage.

Now, I will say that Cobra Strike's overall usefulness is debatable, but that's due its placement in the set and Eagle's Claw gaining the 100% stun, rather than anything to do with its damage. I wouldn't strictly oppose a damage increase, but I certainly disagree with your reasons for buffing it.

What it ignores is why Total Focus was nerfed. Stun powers like this are mag 3, period.

4 if you're like me and put the Stupefy KB proc IO into Thunder Kick and Cobra Strike

Commenting on 3)...Touch of Fear has the ability to, unenhanced at level 50, stack...not once but twice.
Also, Touch of Fear does zero damage because it applies terror and a -tohit.


Cobra Strike needs either one of two things done to it...
Raise its damage
or
Raise its stun mag and take away the damage.

brophog02...your arguements are moot because your comparing Cobra Strike to a Tier-9 power that Scrappers do not even have.

And you still don't understand the concept of how Terror can be dropped by further damage on a target and even with -ToHit applied, a target can still attack you and has a chance to further damage you.

The stuns in MA completely incapacitate a target. They can not attack at all you so long as they are stunned. Used effectively, the stuns in MA are far better than any fear effect or -ToHit in DM.

You keep telling me that I don't understand.
I know how terrorize works.

Use an unenhanced level 50 ToF on a boss over and over.
Use an unenhanced level 50 Cobra Strike on a boss over and over.

Then tell me which one is "far better".

You won't kill that boss with either of those powers used over and over...but I can guarantee you survive a lot longer using ToF.

My point, again, is that Cobra Strike will not incapacitate a BOSS target.

And you're comparing a stun to a fear power, which are two entirely different things.

Fear and ToHit Debuffs < Stuns. The stuns and knockbacks/downs in Martial Arts in most cases are better control than any fear or ToHit debuff.

I personally have seen more MA scrappers soloing Rikti Magus (and barely getting hit themselves) during MS Raids because they can control them far better than any other scrapper primary.

I'm comparing a utility power to a utility power.

That is totally not true. The Fear effect from ToF can be dropped from the damage from your following attack. The Boss, while feared, still has a chance to attack you and do further damage to you. A stunned boss can not attack you and thereby do no damage to you. Therefore, your entire statement is wrong.

No I'm not. I'm comparing it to every ST stun power in the game. That's why Total Focus was nerfed. Tier (in regards to balance) is irrelevant in this game. Total Focus was "nerfed" to mag 3 because that's what mag stuns are in this game. It shouldn't have been mag 4, just like Cobra Strike shouldn't.

You seriously need to do your homework before starting a suggestion thread.

Total Focus also does EXTREME damage.
You keep overlooking that fact...and then you try and tell me to do my homework.

Your whole summation here shows you've no idea how terrorize works. With multiple applications of ToF, a boss can still attack you and has a chance to do damage to you. Multiple applications of a stun will render said boss completely useless. They are unable to attack at all and have zero chance to do damage to you.

IT IS TRUE.

I was talking about a controlled situation where you are only using either ToF or Cobra Strike...not any other powers.

Not with Cobra Strike...you cannot stack the stun on an unenhanced cobra strike.
You can stack the terror and -tohit with an unenhanced ToF.

So put enhancements in it and use it the way it was intended to be used.

That's irrelevant. You're not doing your homework, because if you did you'd see all of the mag 3 stun powers out there, and notice a dearth of mag 4 stun powers. You'd also have the least bit of a clue how powersets are balanced.

I'll just tell you, since we're 40 posts in and you still REFUSE TO DO ANY WORK IN YOUR OWN SUGGESTIONS thread.

We might as well rename it the "Vitality was too lazy to actually make a real suggestion thread".

Single Target Stun Powers that are mag 3:

Taser
Stun
Beanbag
Stunning Arrow
Screech
Scramble Thoughts

It's pretty simple, had you done any work at all for this thread: Single Target stuns are generally Mag 3, AOE stuns are generally Mag 2.

So.... you want to just stand there using unenhanced powers on a boss? This is by far the most idiotic excuse I have ever seen as a "reason" to make a change to a power.

You can keep bashing me all you want.
Your whole mag-4 arguement is also not getting anywhere because this thread is about raising the DAMAGE of Cobra Strike, not the magnitude of the stun.

So go ahead and keep saying that I didn't do my homework...when you clearly did not even read the title of the thread.