A question about Defense


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I apologize if this has been covered ad nauseum before, but I'm not finding the thread if it has. My Bots/Traps Mastermind has 48.29% Ranged Defense and 61.13% Smashing/Lethal Defense. How does the game determine whether a, for example, Family Gunner can hit me with his rifle? Does it make two separate "checks"? Does it take the higher value? Do the values stack?

Just curious.


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Originally Posted by Verene View Post
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If you're referring to the "Common Questions" sticky, I looked through it, and while it answered how Defense affects the to-hit chance of an attacking character, it doesn't say anything about when an attack qualifies under multiple categories of defense. Or maybe I'm missing it.


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No, he meant defense checks use the higher number. If you have 40% AOE defense and 10% fire defense and get hit by a Fire/AOE power, it will check against AOE. If you get hit by a Fire/Ranged, it will check against Fire. If you get hit by a Smashing/AOE, it will check against AOE. If you get hit by a Smashing/Melee, you have no defense.


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Oh, duh....nevermind. So it takes the higher of the two values? Interesting. So if you have a really high ranged AND melee defense value, then having any kind of typed defense that's lower than those values is basically worthless? Hmmm... k

Thanks.


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In this particular scenario though, both values yield a minimum hit chance, so it wouldn't particularly matter.


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Oh, duh....nevermind. So it takes the higher of the two values? Interesting. So if you have a really high ranged AND melee defense value, then having any kind of typed defense that's lower than those values is basically worthless? Hmmm... k

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Several Psi attacks do not have a positional (Melee/Ranged/AOE) attack type, so for them, the positional defense doesn't work. Also if you just have high Melee and AoE defense you will be open to AoE typed attacks.


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Also if you just have high Melee and Ranged defense you will be open to AoE typed attacks.
Is this what you meant to say?


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I'm just curious how you managed a 48% Ranged and a 61% S/L defense on a mastermind...

Actually I'm curious how you hit 61% typed defense period. Not even my Ice Tank hit those numbers.


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And it's bots/

Now that is all.


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I'm just curious how you managed a 48% Ranged and a 61% S/L defense on a mastermind...

Actually I'm curious how you hit 61% typed defense period. Not even my Ice Tank hit those numbers.

In all seriousness it's not that hard for a bots/traps to get to 61%:

Force Field Generator= 15.8%
Scorpion Shield= 21.4%
Protector Bot shield= 12%
2 full sets of enfeebled operation= 8% (one in webnade and one in web envelope)

That's 57.2% right there. CJ and Maneuvers will take ya to 62 easily.


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