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No, it doesn't. But when a person says something that is wrong, ignorant, biased, whatever they also don't need to be jumped on by twenty people daily for the same thing over and over again. It seems silly to label the one comment as being drama and to ignore the twenty comments that follow and won't let it die as being something else.|
Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
Just because someone is in the minority doesn't necessitate that they have to be defended every. single. time.
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That is what I am sick of when it comes to these threads. I don't see Felecia doing anything different than the people who comment simply to swear at her. If people are telling Fel to shut up, why is no one telling the others to do the same? I am not a member of AoW, I don't know Felecia well enough to say if I dislike her or not, but double-standards are easily spotted and they tend to piss me off.
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That's your opinion. Others clearly feel otherwise. And I think the rampant stupidity o' others should be pointed out. Maybe they'll learn why and what they said was so malevolently dumb. Another person's "drama" is someone else's amusement. One person trolls for amusement, the target views it as antagonistic. So you may label it as drama, while someone else might view it as expressin' their particular perspective.|
Originally Posted by Talon_Arsenal
No, it doesn't. But when a person says something that is wrong, ignorant, biased, whatever they also don't need to be jumped on by twenty people daily for the same thing over and over again. It seems silly to label the one comment as being drama and to ignore the twenty comments that follow and won't let it die as being something else.
That is what I am sick of when it comes to these threads. I don't see Felecia doing anything different than the people who comment simply to swear at her. If people are telling Fel to shut up, why is no one telling the others to do the same? I am not a member of AoW, I don't know Felecia well enough to say if I dislike her or not, but double-standards are easily spotted and they tend to piss me off. |
If you're so sick o' comin' to these threads, stay out o'em. That's like gettin' pissed off at watchin' the news. You've got no one but yourself to blame for subjectin' yourself to it.
As for the double-standard, I'm not entirely sure I see it. Then again, I wish everyone would just shut up. But you don't see me tellin' anyone to do it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we all know what they say 'bout those.
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so we should sit here and allow her to be rude and condescending time after time after time after time and just smile and blow it off? Not only here but in game as well? If it one time, ok.. i can see.. but its consistently.. i dont think ive seen even 1 post from her that didnt take a direct dig at champion as a whole.
Before I forget...
EVERYONE, SHUT UP.
There.
Problem solved.
Game on.
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Its human nature? Why would someone jump someone elses case for rudely commenting to the same person they are irritated at? That is in RL and on the forums. If you aggree with the jist of what I am saying, but not necessarily with how I say it, why would you feel the need to jump my case?|
Originally Posted by Talon_Arsenal
No, it doesn't. But when a person says something that is wrong, ignorant, biased, whatever they also don't need to be jumped on by twenty people daily for the same thing over and over again. It seems silly to label the one comment as being drama and to ignore the twenty comments that follow and won't let it die as being something else.
That is what I am sick of when it comes to these threads. I don't see Felecia doing anything different than the people who comment simply to swear at her. If people are telling Fel to shut up, why is no one telling the others to do the same? I am not a member of AoW, I don't know Felecia well enough to say if I dislike her or not, but double-standards are easily spotted and they tend to piss me off. |
There is a scale here that you are apparently not seeing. I will use myself as an example. I can be a real *****. There are plenty of people that don't care for me on the forums. However, overall, I have always tried to help Champion and my fellow gamers. So I get a little leeway.
Does that mean I am a celebrity or better than Felicia, no. What that means is I have earned some respect and if every now and then I get caddy or bitchy the majority will let it slide by.
Then you might have someone like Cobalt. Everyone knows he is a rude *** at times. Hell he knows it. However overall he has done a lot of good for the server and helped out a lot of people.
Felecia? Not so much. She talks as if she has done a lot, but hasn't. She is condescending 99% of the time. She hasn't earned any free passes to be a *****. Perhaps the one or 2 passes she has earned was spent many, many posts ago.
Its not about being a celebrity or a double standard. Its about real life, people get respect that have earned it. People get a swift kick in the *** that have earned it.
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Then you might have someone like Cobalt. Everyone knows he is a rude *** at times. Hell he knows it. However overall he has done a lot of good for the server and helped out a lot of people.
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About bein' a rude ***.
The rest is garbage.
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Very well, then. We shall instead discuss the rumour of how you are related to a Ben10 alien.|
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True story.
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Very well, then. We shall instead discuss the rumour of how you are related to a Ben10 alien.
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Ah.. the good old Champion server.. I see thing didn't change much 
You guys all talk about how Felecia is hurting the server. What exactly has she done to hurt it? Sure, she has caused some drama in the server, but you (and myself) are as much to blame as her for carrying it on.
All I know is that Felecia has plenty of drama-free CCs and competitions each month that you all conveniently forget. And I think quite a few people enjoy these events she runs. A very small percentage of people on champion have actually read this thread. And it seems that many of you guys just love this thread. I would be a rich man if I had a nickel for every time someone said "This. thread. is. full. of. win." So do these threads actually HURT the server? I find it extremely unlikely.
The only person I have seen post here that actually knows anything about AoW is cherry. And I think that cherry knows deep down that AoW is an excellent SG. To be honest, it is one of the most warm, welcoming groups of people I have seen in this game, and everyone is looking to help out. I know very few of you will take this seriously, but I encourage you to throw a toon in felecia's sg for just a week or so. Try it out and gain some knowledge about it before you denounce it as "a piece of ****". If you do that, and still find it repulsive, I am sure nobody will object to your opinion.
"If you're so sick o' comin' to these threads, stay out o'em. That's like gettin' pissed off at watchin' the news. You've got no one but yourself to blame for subjectin' yourself to it.
--Aren't you guys the ones complaining about the thread
"As for the double-standard, I'm not entirely sure I see it"
--If you are unable to see the double standard, I'm not entirely sure you are qualified to post an opinion on the forums.
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This part makes me laugh only because if I remember correctly most of us have been deemed unworthy to even be on a team with her, more less join her SG.|
Originally Posted by DaveMebs
but I encourage you to throw a toon in felecia's sg for just a week or so. Try it out and gain some knowledge about it before you denounce it as "a piece of ****". If you do that, and still find it repulsive, I am sure nobody will object to your opinion.
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I am personally a bit curious Dave why you keep defending her? Not that I personally have a problem with it, I am just curious. I seem to remember not long ago you were pretty peeved at her. Peeved enough to wash yours and hers, and AOW's dirty laundry in public somewhat.
I don't believe I have seen one person say AOW is a bad SG. Some, like myself, think the SG could make a better decision than to continue to let her represent them in the way that she does. That just means they are not picky nor do they care about what people think about them. Not necessarily a bad thing I suppose.
YOu know I see her talk in the UHB channel all the time and she seems so super nice and friendly. I have never seen her talk in there like she does here. NO condescending tones or putdowns. I can assume she is probably generally a nice person who doesn't have the social skills necessary to be able to take criticism in any way. As long as no one is challenging her or expressing their dislike or disagreement for one of her ideas she is cool. That however is not enough to get through life.
Actually its not just that she doesn't take criticism well because I have seen her hop in to threads that had nothing to do with her and just blow some ******** out of her mouth that was rude and condescending and no one had said a single word to or about her.
Sadly for AOW, as long as they allow her to represent them in the way that they do then they get the reputation of being known as the SG that the psycho-whateverpeoplecallher chick is leader of. Just like I am sure my SG is known as the SG with thelongwindedwitchEventplannerchick runs. Pingus are known as the meanfuc-ktard runs them SG. EG is known as the "awesome hami guy" runs them SG. PON is known as the WhineyBeer guy SG. Intranet forums are not an exception to real life realities. People are judged by the company that they keep. Whether its fair or not, its a reality.
"I don't believe I have seen one person say AOW is a bad SG"
--I have seen it numerous times. Don't know what to say other than that.
"I am personally a bit curious Dave why you keep defending her?"
--I defend her because she is genuinely trying to help others. I like to see people do things like that. Sure, about 50% of her posts are not presented well, but she really does mean to do good. I don't like to see people attack her for not helping them in the way they want to be helped.
"Sadly for AOW, as long as they allow her to represent them in the way that they do then they get the reputation of being known as the SG that the psycho-whateverpeoplecallher chick is leader of. Just like I am sure my SG is known as the SG with thelongwindedwitchEventplannerchick runs. Pingus are known as the meanfuc-ktard runs them SG. EG is known as the "awesome hami guy" runs them SG. PON is known as the WhineyBeer guy SG. Intranet forums are not an exception to real life realities. People are judged by the company that they keep. Whether its fair or not, its a reality."
--That's true, but I don't think the company they keep is really that bad.
"This part makes me laugh only because if I remember correctly most of us have been deemed unworthy to even be on a team with her, more less join her SG."
--I cannot speak for Felecia, but I think she would allow you to join her SG and see what it's all about, if you are nice. Just send a tell like "Hey fel, I know we've had our differences in the past but lets just leave that behind, would you like to team for a bit?" If she wasn't busy, I am 99% sure she would accept you.
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"If you're so sick o' comin' to these threads, stay out o'em. That's like gettin' pissed off at watchin' the news. You've got no one but yourself to blame for subjectin' yourself to it.
--Aren't you guys the ones complaining about the thread "As for the double-standard, I'm not entirely sure I see it" --If you are unable to see the double standard, I'm not entirely sure you are qualified to post an opinion on the forums. |
And tellin' someone they can't voice their opinion in a public forum is along the lines o' the malevolently dumb things I mentioned earlier.
Thanks for comin' out.
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Originally Posted by DaveMebs
I know very few of you will take this seriously, but I encourage you to throw a toon in felecia's sg for just a week or so. Try it out and gain some knowledge about it before you denounce it as "a piece of ****". If you do that, and still find it repulsive, I am sure nobody will object to your opinion.
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The word in this sentence that probably gets most people is genuinely. Most people doubt that this is the case because when she first started posting events, you couldnt read the post without seeing AOW at least 5 times, even the CCs. Most people who run events do not push their SG upon you repetitively. It gives people the impression that your event is not for the community, but is instead a recruiting drive. (Note: this excludes anniversary related events, where its obviously appropriate to mention your SG.)| I defend her because she is genuinely trying to help others. |
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Regardless of what I think about the principles behind her events, I stand by the notion that the event host has the right to set the parameters of the event. It is their event after all. For example, if I wanted to host a clown suit raid only, then thats my business. However, I probably wouldnt host this event if I found out 90% of the server had a phobia of clowns (I believe the correct term for this is coulrophobia, but thats neither here nor there). Point being, if youre hosting something for a group of people that you genuinely want them to enjoy, it only makes sense to take into consideration the values and opinions of your audience.
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"If you are nice" is the focal point of every problem that anyone has with Felicia (not AOW...Felicia). Her definition of "nice" seems to involve some measure of butt-kissing, telling her how great she plays, and possibly some brain matter removal. She also acts like it's some kind of great reward for us to be around her and gain her approval. Does anyone enjoy hanging around people that need constant approval and reassurance in real life? What makes that sound better in a game?|
"This part makes me laugh only because if I remember correctly most of us have been deemed unworthy to even be on a team with her, more less join her SG." --I cannot speak for Felecia, but I think she would allow you to join her SG and see what it's all about, if you are nice. |
You can try to spin it, Dave, but Felicia brings the drama down on herself every time she pipes up. I would imagine she walks barefoot, to make it easier to open-mouth-insert-foot, after growing tired of the taste of shoeleather.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
k, since you dropped my name let me explain a couple things..
I had ALL of aow's sg's in my coalition, during that time a lot of aow people would join our tf's when the call was put out in coalition chat.. the members that did join were always very nice and team players, they would bring whatever best suited the team makeup.. i had NO issues with felecia or aow.. even tho felicia never once joined any team of ours.. i saw signs of her being a bit odd, but didnt put a lot of care into it, im kind of a let a person be who they wanna be kinda girl.. I tried on a few occasions to get her to mellow, the most memorable was her flip out at the rwz raid...
I had an opportunity to add a sg full of people i look up to and consider mentors... I couldnt due to the fact I had 7 of aows sg's.. 6 of wich i NEVER saw coalition chat from.. i told felecia i wanted to add a couple different coalitions and gave her the choice of what 2 aow divisions to drop... she flipped out and said a lot, and i mean a lot, of hurtful things to both myself and about my sg..needless to say, all aow divisions were removed. The ironic thing is that 1 of the sg's i wanted to add, she, to this day, remains tight friends with him..maybe not tight, but, im aware they do talk often.
I had no ill will towards felecia or aow prior to this..Ive been told on NUMEROUS occasions by aow people that occasionly still join our teams that they have been "asked" to not team with us, that we dont have aow or the community as a whole best interests in mind... they have repeated its been said to them we are selfish noobs and that I, in particular, am mean,bossy,rude and generally unplesant to team with. 1 person from aow in particular told me some AOW members were threatend with removal if they continued to team with us.
Most recently, like, 2 days ago, Ms Divine was in UHB chat and silly me, had a mt in uhb's chat.. all it was was a "ha ha"..(and it in no way even fit into the jist of her conversation) well, felecia decided to be antagonistic, condescending, and rude to me over my new position in PERC.. to the point where the leaders of UHB put a stop to it. I was on UHB's vent and its a good thing, Angie and Nibs kept me from totally flipping my lid openly.. they did however get to hear just how colorful my mouth can be when pissed off.
I know this isnt helping anything, and i know this is pretty pointless and stupid, to be honest.. i know this. However.. I just cant sit here and contiunue to watch her belittle everyone on this server and try to pass it off as all of us attacking her.. there are a lot of great people that do a lot of great things for this server where there is no drama involved.
I have zero respect for her and for the others in aow that cant make their own decisions. What Felecia does and says in the name of AOW, like it or not, impacts all branches of AOW.
Dave, get off the fence. Picking what opinion you have depending on how the masses feel is getting old.
This keeps getting better and better. I think a bag won't do it.
I'll just park this in the corner.
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Everythin' else is True Story, but this caught my eye. If he was goin' along with the masses, which in this case is the vocal naysayers, he wouldn't be tryin' to fault what they are sayin'. Seems to me that he's currently on one side o' the proverbial fence that's defendin' Felecia.
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Originally Posted by _Cherry_
Dave, get off the fence. Picking what opinion you have depending on how the masses feel is getting old.
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
Everythin' else is True Story, but this caught my eye. If he was goin' along with the masses, which in this case is the vocal naysayers, he wouldn't be tryin' to fault what they are sayin'. Seems to me that he's currently on one side o' the proverbial fence that's defendin' Felecia.
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but, i digress.. in this particular case.. youre correct.
My opinion may also be impacted by in game remarks Dave makes that dont exactly line up with this thoughts here on the boards. (currently)
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Here is my question for you...why should I have to do that? In fact why should any one? When I think of people on this server who are "community helpers", "community organizers", people that verbally advertise themselves as open to teaming and helping.....guess what? I have teamed with them all at some point in time. Not them seeking me out, or me seeking them out but just a natural thing that happens.|
Originally Posted by DaveMebs
"This part makes me laugh only because if I remember correctly most of us have been deemed unworthy to even be on a team with her, more less join her SG."
--I cannot speak for Felecia, but I think she would allow you to join her SG and see what it's all about, if you are nice. Just send a tell like "Hey fel, I know we've had our differences in the past but lets just leave that behind, would you like to team for a bit?" If she wasn't busy, I am 99% sure she would accept you. |
If I sit up and think of everyone I have teamed with in over 4 years of COH (outside of my own SG of course), one of the best gamers, and friendliest people to team with is probably Amy. She has incredible knowledge of the game and has a lot to offer any team. Funny thing is that I don't feel priveledged to team with her. I don't fell like OMG I am so lucky for her to grace me with her presence. She doesn't come across that way. At any given time I can look at my global and see she isn't on a team and ask her to join me and if she isn't busy, she does. And visa Versa. We aren't buddies, or extremely close. We both have our own circle of friends and SG. I don't feel like I need to kiss her *** or suck up to her to team with her. I don't have to be "nice" to engage her in a conversation. She is just a human being just like me.
Those are the kind of people I want to team with and game with. If I have to blow your head up wth compliments and listen to you ******** me about how incredible of a gamer you are and how much you do for the community I might as well just go solo. I certainly don't want someone with less time than me in a video game, less level 50's, less experience etc making me feel like I should be lucky to be blessed with their presence and gaming knowledge. Sorry there is nothing s3xy about that picture.
Personal vendettas shouldn't have a place or be excused, and both sides of a disagreement should have to own up for their responsibility. There is no single "bad guy" even in this thread, but people certainly are acting as though there were.
The elite/celebrities/most vocal that you touch upon simply have a greater presence on the forums, and thus they receive more exposure. They are also marked by a desire to bring up helpful information, interesting debates, light-hearted fun or community-related events for everyone to share. And some of them even go so far as to make their community-related actions in-game the equal of their words. Being a loudmouth or a top poster does not make one a celebrity by any stretch. Words have consequence, whether for good or ill, and accountability follows reliably on this server.
If you feel there is bias here, you have the same option that anyone else has to bring it up, and you likely know that full well. But, one should also be prepared to reinforce their claims with facts, even if those appear to be the 500-pound gorilla in the room.