Character Death in Praetoria
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BBQ_Pork,
Posted on: 2009-11-07 15:30 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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And how would freeing the people of the Rogue Isles from Recluse's rule cound as oppression? |
Originally Posted by BigFish
And I believe that by "liberate" you mean "repress". If you truly believe that the people of the Rogue Isles need "repression", then so does the Resistance in Praetoria!
Full on hypocrisy! |
@Golden Girl
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In the same way that page after page of this semi-RP posturing crowding into every damn thread about anything to do with Going Rogue counts as not-irritating? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And how would freeing the people of the Rogue Isles from Recluse's rule cound as oppression?
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That's an example of Ugly Paragon Exceptionalsim! Recluse attacking PC is a crime, but Longbow and Wyvern attacking the Isles is "OK"?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And how would freeing the people of the Rogue Isles from Recluse's rule cound as oppression?
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That certainly is NOT a mature, logical way to look at the world
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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If Recluse would set up a proper democracy in the Rogue Isles, I'm sure there'd be a lot less trouble coming his way from Paragon City |
Originally Posted by BigFish
That's an example of Ugly Paragon Exceptionalsim! Recluse attacking PC is a crime, but Longbow and Wyvern attacking the Isles is "OK"?
That certainly is NOT a mature, logical way to look at the world |
@Golden Girl
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Ah! But you see, the United States is a Representative Republic itself. Not a "Proper Democracy". What about Mexico? It's just as 'rigged' and 'corrupt' as the Isles. Why don't you 'heroes' bother THEM for awhile? Afghanistan? Their President's BROTHER is an OPIUM LORD! Worry about that too, while you're at it|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If Recluse would set up a proper democracy in the Rogue Isles, I'm sure there'd be a lot less trouble coming his way from Paragon City
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Face it GG, there is no "Proper Democracy" anywhere outside of the Rikti Worldmind in any dimension yet found by the Portal Corp. You're chasing a philosophical phantom
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
A large city like that...plenty of places to hide a base, right? I'd think that each will have a respective area. I'm also pretty sure that "neutral" parties will be using the public medical centers, whilst Cole and the Resistance each have their own cattered areas hidden away from the public eye.
I'm going to go ahead and say I think that the Resistance hospitals will be in dangerous/hidden areas of a zone Cole wouldn't be stupid/crafty enough to find. Either that or the other Resistance hospitals will be in heavily guarded strongholds with attacks now and then.
As for Cole I suspect obvious areas within his own territory, a mix between Arachnos and Paragon facilitation/location.
Just my view of the things to come.
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None of that is an excuse to let tyranny survive |
Originally Posted by BigFish
Ah! But you see, the United States is a Representative Republic itself. Not a "Proper Democracy". What about Mexico? It's just as 'rigged' and 'corrupt' as the Isles. Why don't you 'heroes' bother THEM for awhile? Afghanistan? Their President's BROTHER is an OPIUM LORD! Worry about that too, while you're at it
Face it GG, there is no "Proper Democracy" anywhere outside of the Rikti Worldmind in any dimension yet found by the Portal Corp. You're chasing a philosophical phantom |
That's like saying "crimes happen no matter how many cops there are, so let's not bother with cops anymore"
@Golden Girl
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Never argue with Golden Girl, she's hero biased
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One thing they could do is to make the center of the city around Tyrant's tower into something like a hazard zone for Resistance players - like the Praetorian Police mobs would be bigger there, and there'd be no hospital or trainer to use, so you'd feel more like you really were in enemy territory.
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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper_Jay
A large city like that...plenty of places to hide a base, right? I'd think that each will have a respective area. I'm also pretty sure that "neutral" parties will be using the public medical centers, whilst Cole and the Resistance each have their own cattered areas hidden away from the public eye.
I'm going to go ahead and say I think that the Resistance hospitals will be in dangerous/hidden areas of a zone Cole wouldn't be stupid/crafty enough to find. Either that or the other Resistance hospitals will be in heavily guarded strongholds with attacks now and then. As for Cole I suspect obvious areas within his own territory, a mix between Arachnos and Paragon facilitation/location. Just my view of the things to come. |
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
One thing they could do is to make the center of the city around Tyrant's tower into something like a hazard zone for Resistance players - like the Praetorian Police mobs would be bigger there, and there'd be no hospital or trainer to use, so you'd feel more like you really were in enemy territory.
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This I would like to see because by joining the Resistance you're basically declaring "war" against Cole and the Loyalists, which is, in this case, an incentive for Loyalists and servants of Cole to blast your head off at any turn.
Reminds me of my old SWG days concerning the Rebs vs. Imps thing.
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No, she's just stubborn. And blind to her own logical fallacies |
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper_Jay
Never argue with Golden Girl, she's hero biased
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There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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I never played SWG - ddi they make it harder to be a Rebel in it?
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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper_Jay
This I would like to see because by joining the Resistance you're basically declaring "war" against Cole and the Loyalists, which is, in this case, an incentive for Loyalists and servants of Cole to blast your head off at any turn.
Reminds me of my old SWG days concerning the Rebs vs. Imps thing. |
@Golden Girl
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They attack citizens of the Rogue Isles who have not commited any crimes inside of the U.S.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I don't think Longbow attacks civiliains
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Granted, many of the "Destined Ones" are escaped convicts from a US prison, but not all of them.
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That's the new reason for street sweeping in Mercy, then: serving cease and desist warrants to LB vigilantes operating outside the law of the land.
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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Actually, loyal citizen, Nerva Archipelago in an international territory, and not technically within the dominion of Arachnos. Though we have many delegations there involved in various matters of state, it is not our territory, we are guests on Nerva. It is for this reason that the cowardly candy stripers often strike against us when they see a loyal Rogue Isles citizen on Nerva. But do not despair, the same technicality they hide behind can be your weapon against them, should you see a known terrorist among their number, you may consider yourself free to serve them a warrant for their crimes as well!
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And why would it need to be a democracy, proper or not?!?!? Imperialism rears its ugly head again...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If Recluse would set up a proper democracy in the Rogue Isles, I'm sure there'd be a lot less trouble coming his way from Paragon City
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Actually, that is a good point. Every Destined One did escape from the Zig. They could claim to exercising an arrest warrant, except there's no extradition treaty in place to operate under.
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
They attack citizens of the Rogue Isles who have not commited any crimes inside of the U.S.
Granted, many of the "Destined Ones" are escaped convicts from a US prison, but not all of them. |
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To be fair when was the last time you saw Arachnos doing that? Never! We are not members of the Skulls.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I don't think Longbow attacks civiliains
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Originally Posted by Spear0
Actually, that is a good point. Every Destined One did escape from the Zig. They could claim to exercising an arrest warrant, except there's no extradition treaty in place to operate under.
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Doom/Batman in 2012
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
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Actually no, that depended on the server you were on usually. Rebels were slightly more inconvenient because of key base placement (I.E. their main stuff was out in the middle of no where surrounded by dangerous enemies).
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I never played SWG - ddi they make it harder to be a Rebel in it?
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I wouldn't equate skipping the tutorial to mean that you didn't escape from The Zig. Besides, by going through the tutorial, you also get Rest and your second power when you arrive in Mercy...
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Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
Not all, you can start in the Rogue Isles and not go to the Zig, really the only reason anyone starts in the Zig id for the two tier three Insp.
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So...by that logic, why the hell does it mean you HAVE to have gone to the Zig?|
Originally Posted by Spear0
I wouldn't equate skipping the tutorial to mean that you didn't escape from The Zig. Besides, by going through the tutorial, you also get Rest and your second power when you arrive in Mercy...
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Villains have not all been arrested before going to the Rogue Isles. They can be if the player wants the backstory to run that way, but they don't have to have been nabbed, nor should they be forced to have it that way.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Why not don't expernace those events the don't happen. Nothing else in the game is build around forcing you to have experance events that he don't play out. If you Start Level one in Mercy you can come from all sorts of walks of life. Arachnos soldiers are from the Isles in most case they were Clearly never in the Zig.
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Originally Posted by Spear0
I wouldn't equate skipping the tutorial to mean that you didn't escape from The Zig. Besides, by going through the tutorial, you also get Rest and your second power when you arrive in Mercy...
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Doom/Batman in 2012
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
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Because it's the best available system of government right now |
Originally Posted by Spear0
And why would it need to be a democracy, proper or not?!?!? Imperialism rears its ugly head again...
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@Golden Girl
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Does any text after you enter the Rogue Isles refer to breaking you out of the Zig, or does it just refer to Arachnos bringing you to the Rogue Isles, but doesn't say where you were brought from?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
So...by that logic, why the hell does it mean you HAVE to have gone to the Zig?
Villains have not all been arrested before going to the Rogue Isles. They can be if the player wants the backstory to run that way, but they don't have to have been nabbed, nor should they be forced to have it that way. |
@Golden Girl
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Fixt that for ya. Just because it's good for the US doesn't mean it's good for every nation. In addition, the people have to want democracy. Just shifting the government to a democratic process does not a democracy make. That lesson is still being taught in Iraq, though no one was listening for a LONG time.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Because it's the best available system of government FOR THE U.S. right now
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And thus endeth my contribution to what may be perceived as political discussion...
Full on hypocrisy!
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"