Number of possible combinations?


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I read this very recently, but can't remember where.

I saw the number of total archetype/powerset combinations. It was some freaky high number. Does anyone have this information?

While I'm at it, anyone have information on the number of possible costume combinations?

Thanks.



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Ok, after a quick check of the wiki, ignoring EATs, EPPs and PPPs there are 359 Heroside combinations and 325 Villain side combinations. Villains get fewer because the devs hate villains .

For EATs add two to Heros and 2/4/6 to villains depending on how you want to count them.


 

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Costume combinations is ridiculously high, tens if not hundreds of millions.
More if you count colours.

AT (prim and sec only)
Blaster 9x6 = 54
Controller 7x9 = 63
Defender 10x9 = 90
Scrapper 9x8 = 72
Tank 8x10 = 80
Kheldian = 2
Heroside AT = 361

Brute 10x9 = 90
Corr 9x10 =90
Dom 6x7 = 42
MM 5x8 = 40
Stalker 9x7 = 63
VEAT = 2
Villainside AT = 327

MM obvious get demon summoning in GR.
Doms really need more variety as well



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Math works like that? You can just multiply the number of primaries by the number of secondaries?

Serious question. I'm dyscalcic.

Also, wouldn't VEATS be higher? Kinda?



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Math works like that? You can just multiply the number of primaries by the number of secondaries?
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Also, wouldn't VEATS be higher? Kinda?
As i mentioned in my post you can reasonably count VEATs as 2 (they only have two starting options), 4 (they can select one of four powersets when they branch) or 6 (they can select one of four branches or can opt not to branch). You can make an argument for each option so it really depends on your personal preferences.


 

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Anyhow, thanks guys



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So the next time someone comes in here with the usual, "I've played this game every possible way it can be played..."


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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg View Post
Costume combinations is ridiculously high, tens if not hundreds of millions.
More if you count colours.

AT (prim and sec only)
Blaster 9x6 = 54
Controller 7x9 = 63
Defender 10x9 = 90
Scrapper 9x8 = 72
Tank 8x10 = 80
Kheldian = 2
Heroside AT = 361

Brute 10x9 = 90
Corr 9x10 =90
Dom 6x7 = 42
MM 5x8 = 40
Stalker 9x7 = 63
VEAT = 2
Villainside AT = 327

MM obvious get demon summoning in GR.
Doms really need more variety as well
with regard to the Doms comment, I'll say that they tend to get quality over quantity. They really focused on picking the better options for doms from the get go, and the only really poorly performing sets would be Gravity and Energy Assault, and that's only in comparison to the others.

Besides, Doms will be getting Electricity Control almost certainly.


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So the next time someone comes in here with the usual, "I've played this game every possible way it can be played..."


Incidentally, it requires 2 accounts to attempt this for a player on the US servers (and even then you use most of your slots), 5 accounts for a polylingual Euro player (on all 4 servers), or 10 accounts for an English only Euro player.

You'll also need to spend an additional $2,754.61 buying extra character slots.

Without buying additional character slots you'll need 6 accounts on the US servers, 15 accounts for a polylingual Euro player, or 30 accounts for an English only player.

And good luck anytime a new set comes out or they proliferate sets.


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Or you could just delete most of your characters once they reach 50


 

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Originally Posted by Aisynia View Post
Math works like that? You can just multiply the number of primaries by the number of secondaries?

Serious question.
Picture a checkerboard. Write all the primaries across the top, and all the secondaries down the side. Every square on the board represents a combination of one primary and one secondary. Total number of squares: number of primaries x number of secondaries.


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Or you could just delete most of your characters once they reach 50
Oh man. A labor of years and you can't even show it off at the end. Even getting a new combination to 50 every 24 hours you're still going to take nearly two years. That's some um... dedication... right there.


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I'm glad someone asked this question. Since I've made (or am making) tags for each of the power set combo's as they come up on the AT specific boards I've been curious to know how many there are. Not to the point that I was up to doing the math or anything radical like that, of course. Still, it is good to know.


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Did any of these calculations take into account that you can't use Shield with some primaries, or do Claws/Earth?


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While both VEATs each have two exclusionary paths, the fact that you can respec back and forth between the two paths or have both paths available through the use of a Dual Build, then the VEATs should be counted as just 2 Powerset Combos for this exercise. You can't use respecs or Dual Builds to switch between Powersets in the other ATs.


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Picture a checkerboard. Write all the primaries across the top, and all the secondaries down the side. Every square on the board represents a combination of one primary and one secondary. Total number of squares: number of primaries x number of secondaries.
Neat I never thought of looking at it that way



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Did any of these calculations take into account that you can't use Shield with some primaries, or do Claws/Earth?
This.
Occurred to me about half-way through the thread (and I kept reading to see if anyone else had already mentioned it).


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Did any of these calculations take into account that you can't use Shield with some primaries, or do Claws/Earth?
No it didn't. You'd need to remove 4 scrapper combinations and 3 brute combinations from Cat's numbers


 

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
No it didn't. You'd need to remove 4 scrapper combinations and 3 brute combinations from Cat's numbers
Don't forget Tanks!


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Don't forget Tanks!
Gah, sleepy. There's one Tank combo you need to remove