Justice United Channel Guidelines and Mission Statement


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Chrome has never tried to mend fences with me, so don't tell me he went to extended lengths before coming here to the forums.

If you are in channels that are ripping Chrome a new one and you don't agree with them or feel uncomfortable there, just leave the channel.

You say "Don't let old crap kill a possibly good thing" but thie thing is, in an online environment, in real life, or anywhere else the only thing we have to judge people on are our past interactions with them, which is exactly what I'm doing here, and it isn't limited strictly to Chrome.
TJ let me re-quote the last paragraph in my OP

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Also I would like to take a moment in closing to state that I realize in the past things may have gotten off to a rocky start with Chrome Support. I accept blame for my part in it, I have never been one to not voice my opinion on things. But I do feel that if those that still hold a grudge continue to live in the past we will not be able to build towards the future. If for some reason I have hurt any of you during that time and process I sincerely appologize as it was never my intention to do so. I believe this change is a step in the right direction and hope that others will unite and come together to make this a success, like I believe it can and should be.
Before I answer this I need to also highlight on what Kilspyke has stated.

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Chrome went to extended lengths before ever coming to this forum to mend fences with all he felt were involved with that mess.
TJ, I do not ever remember talking with you personally. I don't remember us having any private messages or channel conversations at any point in time of the 3 year history Chrome Support has been live. But like I stated in the orginial OP.

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I do feel that if those that still hold a grudge continue to live in the past we will not be able to build towards the future. If for some reason I have hurt any of you during that time and process I sincerely appologize as it was never my intention to do so.
So when you say I did something to you specifically I do not understand what you mean. A simple PM to me in game would have cleared the air about a lot of things. Mostly I hear people that talk about me that do not know me at all. I did reach out to many people behind the scene's some loved the idea of JU, some I never heard back from. So to "assume" I was not attempting to do reach out to folks is not the case at all. I see you mentioned Blind inviting in a previous post, the fact is a lot of negatives are said without mentioning the positives. So to clear the air 3 years ago Chrome Support went public and we had a hastey mod that was blind inviting folks for about 2 weeks (I was not aware until I read about it)that mod was delt with and demoted by me. It was well known that the mod was demoted and talked to by me. (that has not happend since to my knowledge, yet seems to be a reason to talk about 3 years later?)

Its an old arguement that quite frankly is that is neither here nor there now. Understand that this Justice United endeavor IS NOT about me. People seem to catagorize it as such, when its in fact about the server and the reps coming together for a common cause.

If you have a personal issue with me that I am not aware of and want to talk about it further feel free to PM me in game. My forum name is my Global chat handle. People that know me know I am always willing to talk out what ever problems there may be. Its hard for me to talk out an issue with someone of whom I have no idea I did anything too.

Let the old crap die already, my post and reply was sincere in what this endeavor was for and we all are united in this venture. I hope that we can make this a success. Please understand this is not about Chrome, for those that feel negatively about me. Another issue is Chrome Support will cap out soon so this change would be needed at some point. We felt that making this change would be for the better.

Currently we understand you do not want to join the channel and that is your right. If you change your mind in the future you will be welcomed. While I acknowledge your disagreement and concerns; only you can decide to join or not join JU. the decision is yours, I am only a PM away if you would like to talk more TJ, if not then I wish you the best in what ever you choose in game.

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Also, wth is up with all the global channel police when someone talks in Justice for All? People just need to chill out with that. If they are doing it on purpose to annoy me that's one thing, but it comes across like it's there offical job or something to tell me not to chat in the channel anymore.
Not to derail the conversation, but if I see someone in JFA trying to get a team together and they're not posting anywhere else (like JFA2010), I'll remind them that the channel has moved. I don't do it to "police" anyone, but more like a head's up because I know people don't read the MOTD.


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I second Chrome in that people should let the 3+ years crap go!

I have talked to some people involved in the JU endeavor; if someone doesn't like the idea/ concepts, has issues with the people contributing/ forming it then DO NOT join! It is not that hard of a decision and yes it is that simple.


 

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*shrug* A self-described soloer causing channel drama?

Sounds like Justice.

oh, almost forgot.


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Originally Posted by ArwenDarkblade View Post
Not to derail the conversation, but if I see someone in JFA trying to get a team together and they're not posting anywhere else (like JFA2010), I'll remind them that the channel has moved. I don't do it to "police" anyone, but more like a head's up because I know people don't read the MOTD.
That's how I always saw it, more of letting someone know that JfA is functionally a dead channel as opposed to a mod looking to slam someone.


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TJ, I think there's something that you miss because you're not a part of both the JfA and CS communities.

On the surface, it would seem that they have the same raison d'ĂȘtre, and to a large extent they do.

However, it's the *feel* of the community that's different. One is a pretty wide-open place, the other less.

Jeans and a t-shirt versus a polo and khakis.

That doesn't mean that one is better than the other, or that they must be in competition, it simply speaks to people having a choice to join a community and/or meme they feel more comfortable with (or both if that's their inclination).

To suggest there's an ulterior motive is to overlook several fundamental logical faults, the primary one being that a community by definition is not a single person.

Evidently you had a run in with Chrome in the past and me more recently (heh, you're not alone in that ), but here's the key.

One person is not a community. A community is an organic being, with perhaps a tad bit more alcohol than usual.

To suggest that it is, is to insult the participation and contributions of all members of all communities.


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With my 2 cents I'd just throw in this...

I am kinda annoyed that every year or 2, I need to update my channels (I have enough as is being on 2 servers) it would be nice to have just one channel, but as things are set up, it's not possible for this to happen with people coming in, then never coming back to the game.

Now seeing what the devs have done for channels, and SG/VG's, which is to increase the number we are allowed, I would suggest A. letting them know we need to increase the number allowed in a so called channel, or B. after 60 days or inactivity, these globals that fill in these channels be removed.

If I remember right (and still holds true) the devs made a system that after 60 days (correct me if I am wrong) that if you were camping a lvl 1 character just to hold a name, and if somebody else wanted that, then your lvl 1 alt that's been sitting around would lose that so called name. So in theory, I believe it's very possible to "force leave" a global this way, and shouldn't really be that much hard to code into so that popular channels like Justice has, keep them open for newer globals to enter these so called channels.

IMO Justice United does sound better than JFA2010, heck even Justice for All, but that's just me, and I'm entitled to my own ideas, but any rate, back to what I was posting about, I really think the channel issue should be addressed to the devs, meaning Chrome, Tic-Toc, and other high volume channel mods spam PM castle or whoever is in charge of global channels, and tell them what is going on, and that literally hundreds of people are in dire need for a change on how channels and their high volume are handled.

There, drama settled. (but I do enjoy Justice Drama, so wish to ignore this and drama further, by all means, do so)

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With my 2 cents I'd just throw in this...

If I remember right (and still holds true) the devs made a system that after 60 days (correct me if I am wrong) that if you were camping a lvl 1 character just to hold a name,
I don't disagree with the gist of your post, but to the best of my knowledge the devs have only done a name purge once or twice.

It is not an automatic policy.


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I don't disagree with the gist of your post, but to the best of my knowledge the devs have only done a name purge once or twice.

It is not an automatic policy.
Well I after I saw my alts that were lvl 1 and still managed to keep their names after I been away for 1-2 years I kinda thought maybe it's just a once in awhile thing myself, but still know the idea exists, and that's why I used it.


 

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After a half-decent night's sleep, re-reading all of the thread, a bit of reflection, and advice from a friend I've come to a simple conclusion.

I've apparently let past interactions with various people (not just Chrome) color my perceptions a bit too much, and I'm likely reading things into the posts that aren't there.


In many ways I'll never change how I let past interactions with people affect how I deal with them today, as that is how things work whether online or in real life.

Just chalk everything after my first post up to the paranoid ramblings of an old man.

Good luck.


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After a half-decent night's sleep, re-reading all of the
Just chalk everything after my first post up to the paranoid ramblings of an old man.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by ArwenDarkblade View Post
Not to derail the conversation, but if I see someone in JFA trying to get a team together and they're not posting anywhere else (like JFA2010), I'll remind them that the channel has moved. I don't do it to "police" anyone, but more like a head's up because I know people don't read the MOTD.
I'm not in either channel, but I know I'd appreciate that. I have so many MOTD messages when I log in, I often don't remember to scroll up and read them. Thanks, Arwen!


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Now seeing what the devs have done for channels, and SG/VG's, which is to increase the number we are allowed, I would suggest A. letting them know we need to increase the number allowed in a so called channel, or B. after 60 days or inactivity, these globals that fill in these channels be removed.
I'd like to see both of these options. If you stick around, you get to stay. If you snooze, you lose - but you always have the option of rejoining when you come back. I think that's more than fair. With the variety of channels available, there should be at least to join when you come back. And really, resources should be for the ones using them.

Perhaps some people who don't participate in what's going on and are just there "in case they need it some day" can voluntarily leave. I know I used to be a member of the original channel - I don't even remember the name - and found I wasn't making use of it and didn't really contribute anything valuable, so I left to make room for someone else who would. Plenty of people rely on those channels and the channels rely on them. If you're a member and it's valuable to you, you shouldn't question staying. But any of us just taking up space should be ready to move over and let someone else benefit.


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Originally Posted by Manoa View Post
JFA was originally created as an all-in-one event channel, but it doesn't hit all segments of the server population (for example, considering some of the conversations in JFA that have caught my eye, it's more adult oriented and isn't the most ideal channel for our younger players who need more of a family oriented setting).
The more I think of it the more that I can see that Justice doesn't have an all encompassing youth friendly channel. JFA is well moderated but 'evening' conversations can be quite spicy, and it's not always 'evening' for everyone.


 

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The more I think of it the more that I can see that Justice doesn't have an all encompassing youth friendly channel. JFA is well moderated but 'evening' conversations can be quite spicy, and it's not always 'evening' for everyone.
Which is funny in a way considering that a lot of said spicy conversations are carried on/started by kids in the first place.

But to echo the herd... Think of the children!!! Oh, the humanity!!!


 

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The more I think of it the more that I can see that Justice doesn't have an all encompassing youth friendly channel. JFA is well moderated but 'evening' conversations can be quite spicy, and it's not always 'evening' for everyone.
I figure midnight to about 8am (EST) are fair game. I don't step in as a mod during those those times unless there is bullying going on. I don't know how other mods feel about it, as I'm usually the only one on that late at night.

And perhaps I have an unorthodox view, but you can't keep children in a bubble. Teenagers are always more savvy and worldly than the generation before them, and even I have been reduced to blushing at things that come out of their mouths (no easy feat, I can assure you). Cai makes a great point that a lot of those conversations are started by kids, and quite frankly, it's not my job to be an online parent to someone else's kid. Making something "youth friendly" (which is highly subjective, but not the point of this discussion) starts at home.


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Which is funny in a way considering that a lot of said spicy conversations are carried on/started by kids in the first place.

But to echo the herd... Think of the children!!! Oh, the humanity!!!
Kids may want to push the boundaries of drugs and sex but there's a difference between them being curious and seeking it out and it being foisted upon them. Adolescents and young adults can join the other channels too, but sometimes the herd exists for good reason.

Besides, not all kids are of an age where they are interested in salacious material. There are kids who are under 10 playing and teaming with their parents (and sometimes without).


 

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And perhaps I have an unorthodox view, but you can't keep children in a bubble. Teenagers are always more savvy and worldly than the generation before them, and even I have been reduced to blushing at things that come out of their mouths (no easy feat, I can assure you). Cai makes a great point that a lot of those conversations are started by kids, and quite frankly, it's not my job to be an online parent to someone else's kid. Making something "youth friendly" (which is highly subjective, but not the point of this discussion) starts at home.
I do concur that you can't keep kids in a bubble. I only brought up the "kid friendly" bit not as a call for JFA to change, but because Chrome mentioned in his OP that JA is to be family friendly and moderation of will be conducted with kids in mind. I don't want JFA to change...it was just one example of why there's room for multiple all-in-one global channels with different "flavors," that's all.


 

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Kids may want to push the boundaries of drugs and sex but there's a difference between them being curious and seeking it out and it being foisted upon them. Adolescents and young adults can join the other channels too, but sometimes the herd exists for good reason.

Besides, not all kids are of an age where they are interested in salacious material. There are kids who are under 10 playing and teaming with their parents (and sometimes without).
You know, I never like to be "that guy" but...

IF a parent is allowing their 10 y/o to play a game that is explicitly rated T for Teens because of mild language, sexuality and drug abuse... well then I'm simply at a loss for words. We have at least 2 signature characters I can think of off the top of my head whose costumes resemble nothing more than lingerie (Sis P and Swan). To top it off, one of our signature villains is an unabashed S&M/Bondage lover who graciously spews out sexually provocative language as 8 heroes "team" up on her during the Statesman TF. Oh yeah, let's not forget our Praetorian sweetheart Dominatrix and her lovable villain group of sex slaves.

I agree that questionable material should NOT be foisted upon youth... but at what point do the patrons of Hooters begin to roll their eyes at the family of five sitting in the back making a stink about the waitresses' attire? It's fracking Hooters, you knew what it was before you ever entered the place.

*Moo!* Ahh crap, the herd's calling me, I better go. Carry on.


 

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You know, I never like to be "that guy" but...

IF a parent is allowing their 10 y/o to play a game that is explicitly rated T for Teens because of mild language, sexuality and drug abuse... well then I'm simply at a loss for words. We have at least 2 signature characters I can think of off the top of my head whose costumes resemble nothing more than lingerie (Sis P and Swan). To top it off, one of our signature villains is an unabashed S&M/Bondage lover who graciously spews out sexually provocative language as 8 heroes "team" up on her during the Statesman TF. Oh yeah, let's not forget our Praetorian sweetheart Dominatrix and her lovable villain group of sex slaves.

I agree that questionable material should NOT be foisted upon youth... but at what point do the patrons of Hooters begin to roll their eyes at the family of five sitting in the back making a stink about the waitresses' attire? It's fracking Hooters, you knew what it was before you ever entered the place.

*Moo!* Ahh crap, the herd's calling me, I better go. Carry on.
This is one of those topics that I think people have a wide wide variety of views depending on their parenting type.
I allow my 10 year old daughter to play the game, however I am always sitting next to her when she plays, and she only teams with people that I know and play with, and even then I'm very selective about who I let her team with. And I'm also usually on skype or vent with the person she's teamed with. When she plays I close all the chat tabs except for team chat, so she can feel like she's interacting with the person(s) on the team. I agree with Arwen that it's not the job of the game mod's/tv show/movie/website, it's the parents job to police what their children are looking at.

On my daughter's very first day of 1st grade, she came home to tell me about all the great things she learned that day. Including what she learned on the bus, which was how to flip the bird and the word sex, so CoH is the least of my problems.

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You know, I never like to be "that guy" but...

IF a parent is allowing their 10 y/o to play a game that is explicitly rated T for Teens because of mild language, sexuality and drug abuse... well then I'm simply at a loss for words. We have at least 2 signature characters I can think of off the top of my head whose costumes resemble nothing more than lingerie (Sis P and Swan). To top it off, one of our signature villains is an unabashed S&M/Bondage lover who graciously spews out sexually provocative language as 8 heroes "team" up on her during the Statesman TF. Oh yeah, let's not forget our Praetorian sweetheart Dominatrix and her lovable villain group of sex slaves.

I agree that questionable material should NOT be foisted upon youth... but at what point do the patrons of Hooters begin to roll their eyes at the family of five sitting in the back making a stink about the waitresses' attire? It's fracking Hooters, you knew what it was before you ever entered the place.

*Moo!* Ahh crap, the herd's calling me, I better go. Carry on.

Cai makes villians sound more interesting here..............


That being said it just furthers the point people are different and there is room for more then one global channel community.



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Originally Posted by _Cai_ View Post
You know, I never like to be "that guy" but...

IF a parent is allowing their 10 y/o to play a game that is explicitly rated T for Teens because of mild language, sexuality and drug abuse... well then I'm simply at a loss for words. We have at least 2 signature characters I can think of off the top of my head whose costumes resemble nothing more than lingerie (Sis P and Swan). To top it off, one of our signature villains is an unabashed S&M/Bondage lover who graciously spews out sexually provocative language as 8 heroes "team" up on her during the Statesman TF. Oh yeah, let's not forget our Praetorian sweetheart Dominatrix and her lovable villain group of sex slaves.

I agree that questionable material should NOT be foisted upon youth... but at what point do the patrons of Hooters begin to roll their eyes at the family of five sitting in the back making a stink about the waitresses' attire? It's fracking Hooters, you knew what it was before you ever entered the place.

*Moo!* Ahh crap, the herd's calling me, I better go. Carry on.
Just remember that quite a bit of the material may not be seen as explicit, although it may be sexual or have innuendo enough to make an adult understand it. I never really paid that much attention to Dominatrix's minions although now that you point it out it's there, but it's not like they all have ball gags and crotchless outfits.

Just because it's Hooters doesn't mean that you tell your kids that the peelers are a great place to go either. Well, not at their age. It's a comic themed game, just because a kid is reading Wonder Woman doesn't mean they should be automatically reading Herogasm.

All I'm saying is that JU has a good reason to exist if you condone adult talk on the other channels. I'm not commenting on whether a parent should or should not allow their kids to play this game, other than the fact that kids do play this game, and that people respect that.

As far as being a parent to these kids, all I'm saying is that if you don't curse or talk about drug use etc. in public for everyone to hear, probably you should use that metric to judge whether anybody else wants to be hearing it either in a family oriented public channel.


 

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This is one of those topics that I think people have a wide wide variety of views depending on their parenting type.
I allow my 10 year old daughter to play the game, however I am always sitting next to her when she plays, and she only teams with people that I know and play with, and even then I'm very selective about who I let her team with. And I'm also usually on skype or vent with the person she's teamed with. When she plays I close all the chat tabs except for team chat, so she can feel like she's interacting with the person(s) on the team. I agree with Arwen that it's not the job of the game mod's/tv show/movie/website, it's the parents job to police what their children are looking at.

On my daughter's very first day of 1st grade, she came home to tell me about all the great things she learned that day. Including what she learned on the bus, which was how to flip the bird and the word sex, so CoH is the least of my problems.

P.S. This is coming from a person with a toon named Debbie Does Paragon, had it nerfed, and fought to get it back and won
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You, me, cai and your daughter @Hooters, my treat.

PS. Can I call you Debbie?
I'll have you know that my daughter LOVES Hooter's wings even though she's never stepped foot in a restaurant. She can eat 10 of those 3 Mile Island wings and never break a sweat. I had to cut her off of Tabasco Sauce last summer.
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I'll have you know that my daughter LOVES Hooter's wings even though she's never stepped foot in a restaurant. She can eat 10 of those 3 Mile Island wings and never break a sweat. I had to cut her off of Tabasco Sauce last summer.
It's the cajun in her

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You still owe me an Epic Mount.