Venture's Reviews V: Critic's Choice


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I don't consider "multi-arc" a valid format. One arc is supposed to be a complete story. Whether the developers drew the line at three or five or fifty acts, that's how much space you get. If you can't fit what you want into the provided space you have to start deciding what stays and what goes. To the extent that the architect failed to color within the lines, the arc fails. So as far as I'm concerned there are no "multi-arcs", only cases of multiple incomplete arcs that may reference each other.
More and more, I am coming to think that the concept of the "acceptable to Venture arc" is the equivalent of one of those ten-minute films shot in black and white in an alley, with a handheld video camera and natural lighting only, featuring the objects and clutter found there. Around the 2:35 mark, two men - real locals, not actors - pass through the alley having an unscripted conversation about women and sports. Nothing else happens for the remaining 7 minutes.

Enjoy your artistic purity. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be over there, ignoring the rules and having sinful wrong fun.


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I don't like art-house cinema or foreign films...actually I got a big kick out of that beer commercial many years ago (Bud Dry I think) that showed two guys trying to make sense out of an incomprehensible scene of an Italian actress lamenting her failed romance on a wind-blown crag with a clown.

I think a fair and accurate vetting of my reviews and ratings will bear that out. I will also note that a significant number of the nominees in both the official and player-run MA awards received four or five-star reviews from me. The charge that my views are unrealistic or out of touch does bear close examination.

The rest will have to wait.


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I would, but then somebody decided to nominate it for a public judging panel of which I am a part. Where I am asked to vote for the best. This arc is NOT the best by my book and I express my opinion about it. If you don't like that, don't read my post.
I know, I read all of the conversations going on in that judging panel group. My point is that you were on this panel, didn't even play the arc, yet are condemning it as if it kicked your puppy or something. At least Venture played it before opening his mouth and for that he deserves some more respect than you.

Since this is Venture's thread, I'll even bring up the appropriate trope.


 

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Normally this would get three stars from me. It gets an extra star for the humor in the Disco Trolls and out of acknowledgment that it's an incredible achievement given the architect's age. The arc has a theme, even if it doesn't do much with it, and shows a strong grasp of the fundamentals. The dialog could use some work but that will improve with time. Recommended.
Venture, I haven't always agreed with your reviews/styles in the past, and said so on occasion in various posts. However, for whatever little it is worth, this thread includes informative reviews with good tone overall. Ignoring the sidebar distraction in here that does not involve your reviews, I say keep it up.

And further, I smiled and thought "Even Venture cannot resist the power of Sister Flame!"


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Arc #338380, "Talos Vice"
tl;dr: 5 stars. Nits: short, some technical flaws, weak theme

Reviewed on: 11/13/2009
Level Range: 12-20
Factions: Trolls, Family, Custom
Architect's Keywords: Solo Friendly, Drama, Mystery
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Character used: Jessica Ballantine/Champion
Difficulty: +0x2+B-AV

According to my files, this will be my 150th review. I gave it to Police Woman since she's the second best reviewer around here.

As a homage to Miami Vice, this arc is written in "screenplay format":




This means putting words in the PC's mouth but the PC's "lines" are pretty generic so this can be overlooked. The most serious offense here takes place at the very end and I think only the most die-hard roleplayers would even consider balking at it.

Detective Croquette, working in league with Back Alley Brawler, needs some hero backup for a major drug bust in Talos. Someone has vastly increased the amount of 'dyne being brought in and that's got to stop. Your first bust takes place at a Troll warehouse. (Croquette notes that Talos isn't usually Troll turf but this is where they're organizing to bring the stuff into Skyway.) As soon as you enter it's clear the bust has gone bad. There are Trolls everywhere and most of the cops on the scene are dead. One, a Sergeant Stevens (who looks familiar), tells you the Trolls were lying in wait and the cops never had a chance. Croquette's partner Basins is present as a hostage, as is a Detective Wexler. Croquette himself is a Boss-level Ally, Dual Pistols/Willpower (his release Clue, though, reads like the collection-complete Clue for the 'dyne crates). A mission-end Clue narrates the Troll leader giving up the location of the guy who tipped them off about the raid.

That location is "Sindicators", a seedy nightclub staffed with women in very skimpy superhero-ish spandex. The patrons go for their guns when you and Croquette arrive. The first, "Libby" (who looks like who you think she looks like) tells you she's seen the Troll meeting with Family wiseguys after you've dealt with her "admirers". There's another dancer named "Kitty" (ditto), whose release merely triggers an ambush, Croquette again as an ally, and the snitch who ratted out the raid to the Family...Wexler. The mission-end Clue narrates the two of you getting Wexler to roll on the Family, revealing where and when they're bringing in the next big shipment, along with Croquette getting a bit overenthusiastic.

Time for the Fight Scene: you and Croquette head to the scene, a "smuggler's cove" on Scylla Island (bring friends warning). The map is the Mercy dock instance, so it won't take long to find and destroy the drug shipment. That, however, brings out the drug lord Cavalleri, an Elite Boss, Thugs/Willpower (no RTTC or stat protection though, so not too bad). He calls one sizable ambush wave as he falls.


Since everyone has guns, Jess goes for her gat.

The ending Clues, pop-up and debriefing narrate Cavalleri and Wexler's fates.

This is an entertaining homage. It does have a few small gaffes. The Marcone mobs used in a number of places should probably be relabeled as generic Family, since the Marcones are pretty much a Rogue Isles bunch. There's the seemingly-misplaced clue in Act I, and in Act II both Libby and Wexler spawned well in front of Croquette and Kitty, making about half the map optional. While the arc does have a who-do-you-trust theme going on it doesn't do much with it, and it would probably benefit from another act or two. These are small complaints, though, and the arc is recommended for anyone looking for an early-level police arc.


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Thanks for the review! I'm glad you enjoyed Talos Vice.

A few notes on your comments:

* The clue in mission 1 is linked to the Superadine; freeing Croquette shouldn't have a clue at all. Perhaps these happened in close succession though.

* I'll try and rearrange objectives in mission 2 to make the key objectives more likely to spawn in the back. (They are supposed to, but I think the order I defined them in doesn't always allow for it. Reshuffling the key ones to be first might help though.)

* I'll relabel the Marcone mobs to be classic "Family". I do think that makes more sense.

* Love the screenshot of the final shootout! With everyone holding guns and pointing them at each other, it's a very cinematic final showdown.


Thanks again!


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The clue in mission 1 is linked to the Superadine; freeing Croquette shouldn't have a clue at all. Perhaps these happened in close succession though.
Nope, got it on freeing Croquette. I hadn't even found the boxes yet.

Maybe it's a new bug.


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Arc #352820, "The Destroyer of Worlds"
tl;dr: 3 stars. Offenses: Did Not Do The Research, underdeveloped, assumes too much about the player, not evil enough for the goal


Reviewed on: 12/16/2009
Level Range: 15-25/15-25/15-25/50-50
Factions: 5th Column, Custom, Shivans
Architect's Keywords: Drama
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Character used: Fleetblade/Guardian
Difficulty: +0x2+B-AV


There had better be a really good reason for that level jump....


This arc, written for Dr. Aeon's recent challenge to write an arc in which a heroic PC must do evil for the greater good, is set between May and August of 1945. General Groves needs a "mystery man" (or woman in this case) to stop a 5th Column takeover of a sub base. The 5th hasn't acknowledged the German surrender and is trying to seize U-Boats whose crews have turned themselves in. One in particular was carrying advanced weapons to Japan, which can't be allowed to fall into the 5th's hands. You're sent to the underground sub base map (of course) to recover 3 secret weapons and defeat the raid leader. One of the patrols gives up a little info: "Do you really think those weapons will turn the war around?" "SHE thinks so. That's all that matters." The weapons turned out to be a box of "yellow dirt" labeled U-235 (which confuses you because the sub it came from was U-234), a disassembled Me-262 jet (the arc says it would have changed history if it had been deployed; in real life the 262s racked up hundreds of kills but went into service too late to matter), and a Hs 293 guided missile (again, the text implies it was never used, but it was). The jet and missile are really too low-tech for a universe that really did have Stupid Jetpack Hitler, but moving on.... "She" turns out to be Schadenfreude, a Prussian noblewoman who used her social connections to get into the States before the war and the Golden Age predecessor of the modern villain of that name.






She was Assault Rifle/DiedTooFast, Boss rank. Groves re-iterates the notion that the jet and guided missile were major advances (Did Not Do The Research) and swears you to secrecy about the yellowcake. He has that shipped off to "Site Y" for research.


...and, promptly loses contact with Site Y. Thanks to your efforts you now have a high enough security clearance to be told that Site Y is the Los Alamos research facility, and you're needed to find out what "got out of control" over there. When you arrive (5th/Council map), the place is overrun by Shivans. You have to recognize Oppenheimer and Teller (if you don't recognize the names, shame on you), who tell you that they were experimenting with a meteorite brought over from Roswell when it spit out green goo that absorbed soldiers and turned them into monsters. You have to shut down the experiment and destroy the meteorite. Groves is waiting for you with reinforcements to mop up when you get out, and lets you in on what's going down at Site Y: the Manhattan Project.


Which needs your help again after Little Boy is built. 5th Column saboteurs take over the airfield as the bomb is being loaded. You're called in to take it back. The map used is the Arachnos airfield from Burke's newbie arc; I suppose we have to grant some creative license on that. However, one of the bosses in the mission is Wolfgang Ubelmann, and this is another case of Did Not Do The Research -- Ubelmann does not know how Rommel died in "Ubelmann the Unknown", and Rommel died in October of 1944. Schadenfreude is back for seconds as well (and didn't do any better). As she faceplants she tells you they've disabled all the bombers, a fact you confirm when the dust settles. You also find that Colonel Tibbets, who was slated to fly the mission, is injured. Groves says they have to consider other options now.


That option is: you. There isn't time to train another bomber squadron for atomic warfare. Groves wants you to set them up the bomb, saying that only your $origin abilities can do it in time.






...which I did. (She's one of two characters I've decided to just use Ninja Run on.) Anyway...Groves tells you the target, Hiroshima, and that you'll have to strike the bomb to force the uranium into a supercritical mass, and they think your $origin abilities will protect you from the blast but they're not sure. (They won't, she's DB/Willpower....) The last map is an instanced piece of St. Martial with a few level 37 Civilians (grey cons) and the bomb (a Rikti Bomb, of course). Destroying the bomb spawns a bunch of Storm Elementals as "Radiation" and ends the mission. The exit clue gives the sound-bite version of the historical event, and Groves tells you they've got another bomber wing ready to hit Nagasaki if the Japanese don't surrender.


The arc has a number of issues, mainly addressed above. Additionally, I'd have to say that the arc isn't nearly evil enough for Aeon's challenge, or (and this will torque off someone I'm sure) really evil at all. It was an act of war. The game play is good enough, but the arc does have a lot of problems that detract from it.


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The game play is good enough, but the arc does have a lot of problems that detract from it...
...if you're being extremely nitpicky about minor details that aren't relevant to the main plotline. As for it being an "act of war" vs. an "act of terrorism" all depends on who won.


 

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...if you're being extremely nitpicky about minor details that aren't relevant to the main plotline. As for it being an "act of war" vs. an "act of terrorism" all depends on who won.
An open military attack carried out by uniformed soldiers during a declared war is not an act of terrorism. It might be called a war crime if you lose but not an act of terrorism.


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-shrugs-

Depends on how you define it. From what I've heard over the last 10 years, what differentiates terrorists from soldiers is the focus on civilian targets or potential use of weapons of mass destruction that won't differentiate between a civilian or military target.


 

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Heya! Thanks for trying The Destroyer of Worlds.

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a disassembled Me-262 jet (the arc says it would have changed history if it had been deployed; in real life the 262s racked up hundreds of kills but went into service too late to matter), and a Hs 293 guided missile (again, the text implies it was never used, but it was).
This is a valid point; I actually knew these were used in WW2 but in small numbers, but I got excited about the idea that people of this era would consider these "science fiction" weapons and ended up writing the clues as if they had never been used (which is, I confess, factually incorrect). I'll try and rephrase these clues to be more historically accurate.


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However, one of the bosses in the mission is Wolfgang Ubelmann, and this is another case of Did Not Do The Research -- Ubelmann does not know how Rommel died in "Ubelmann the Unknown", and Rommel died in October of 1944.
Afraid I have to disagree with you here. Rommel was a huge war hero and the German public was told a very different story of how Rommel died, because of the backlash that would've resulted if people knew that Hitler ordered his death. So although Rommel's death was in Oct 1944, "how Rommel died" was not generally known until the Nuremberg trials when Gen. Keitel revealed the true story of Rommel's death (don't have the exact date but certainly no earlier than Nov 1945). [So, Did Not Do the Research right back at you ]

I see that you have "underdeveloped" and "assumes too much about the player" flagged as "Offenses" ... I imagine the "assumes too much about the player" is that I assume the player can deliver a nuclear weapon and survive. And while a Superman-level or Wonder Woman-level character certainly could do this, I'd agree that a Batman-level character probably couldn't. Ideally I'd have a natural origin character fly the $name-plane over Hiroshima to drop the bomb, but there's not a good way to represent this.

Regarding "underdeveloped", I'm not quite sure what you meant here; which plot elements do you think could use more development?


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Additionally, I'd have to say that the arc isn't nearly evil enough for Aeon's challenge, or (and this will torque off someone I'm sure) really evil at all. It was an act of war.
This is an interesting point. The morality of dropping the atom bomb on Japan has been a subject for debate for years, really. Each person will probably have their own opinion on this. For sake of discussion, here is mine:

* Killing 100,000 noncombatants is unquestionably evil in my book.

* However, ending WW2 without requiring a costly invasion of Japan by ground troops is a "greater good".

* The fact that it was "an act of war" is justification. This is the main reason why I feel a hero could reasonably perform this act while still remaining a "hero". (This perhaps is why you don't feel it is "evil enough".) I do not think "it was war!" removes the fact that it was evil, however.

Anyway, thanks again for the play through! I will look into addressing some of the issues you raised.


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Arc #266877, "The Most Important Thing"
tl;dr: 3 stars. Offenses: Timey Wimey Ball, Woobie Contact, plot issues

Reviewed on: 12/28/09
Level Range: 46-54
Factions: Custom
Architect's Keywords: Challenging, Drama, Mystery
My Keywords: same
Character used: Agent Cerulean/Justice
Difficulty: +1x2+B-AV

Amy "Slipstream" Callahan, a mutant with temporal control powers, needs your help. Someone named Dr. Albright is pressuring her to help him by threatening her family. He's already blocked her attempt to call on her superhero friends (if he's able to outmaneuver her, her powers must be pretty limited, but moving on....). She's already committed thefts for him, and now he's asking her to kill someone. She wants you to hit the site (a tech map, no real explanation as to what it is or where you are) at the same time and make it look like a coincidental hero action. You'll have to fight her, and Albright, and his mercenaries. Amy spawned frontloaded as an EB with Energy Blast/Kinetics...she stayed at range, which suited me just fine (24% melee Defense, 34% ranged....) The mercenaries had War Mace and Archery attacks, no visible secondary (so probably Regen). They all had the same /info, which was a bit of a letdown. Albright was a Robotics EB, likewise with no visible secondary. Unfortunately, you find that he's already killed Amy's mother and sister. Albright's defeat Clue, a voice recorder dropped when he mediported, makes it clear that a) he's right up Recluse's alley on the "survival of the fittest" issue, and b) he's a super-genius level idiot. Amy, understandably, has an emotional collapse when given the news.

The next day, Amy asks you to check out the lab she was working out of with Albright, hopefully before he has a chance to cover his tracks (which means we're probably about 23 hours too late, but whatever...) She feels sick and is afraid Albright has done something to her, but she gives you a "Communications Link Uploading Equipment" (/em rolleyes) to help you stay in touch with her and hack into any computers. This is used to have Amy continue a dialog with you during the mission, which is clever but might make some players feel micromanaged or de-emphasized. You're sent to another tech map to find a few Clues and run through a largely gratuitous course of triggered objectives. You get two triggered Boss level mercs, one with Assault Rifle and the other a Mercenaries Mastermind. Eventually you find that Albright had a small shard of an Aspect of the Pillar and computer files showing that Amy's powers are the result of experiment's he carried out on Amy's mother while she was in utero. Amy goes emo again on your return and says she feels like her powers are fading.

Another day later (Albright is clearly the slowest supervillain on record) Amy's health continues to degrade but she now knows why, thanks to Albright's files: he planted a device inside her that's siphoning her powers into another Aspect shard. If the device is removed she'll die (leaving it in doesn't seem like much of a bargain, either). She now knows Albright is planning to go back in time and change history. She's already using what's left of her powers to protect the two of you from any changes and wants to use the shard you recovered to send you back after him. You're sent to the university tutorial map in 1998 (with a pop-up saying you appear "in a wash of cerulean light"...convenient...). Amy can still use the CLUE to reach you thanks to her powers. You get another list of triggered objectives to navigate, starting with defeating Albright again, then clicking glowies, then fighting a younger version of Albright (Radiation Blast/Electric Blast), then finding another glowie. Amy evidently gets nabbed while this is going on, but when you get back you find she was attacked by a hero because somehow she's being blamed for the murders of her mother and sister. This was, frankly, a completely pointless plot development seemingly intended just to kick Amy while she's down. Anyway, she sends you back again to a run-down hospital (yes, the Mother Mayhem map...sigh) in 1990. You get to fight Young Albright (again) along with a map full of his "test subjects" (retasked Praetorian crazed), free some hostages (including Amy's mother) and find some Clues, which tell how Albright invented a nerve gas for Arachnos but accidentally killed the operative in charge of the tests, leading them to kill his family with the gas, which left him a few cards short of a full deck and led to the creation of this time-travel plot.

Amy, who is now near death, figures out that Albright is creating a causality loop. He's going to cause the death of his family while trying to prevent it. She has enough strength to send you back, and protect you from changes in history, but not enough to retrieve you. For that you'll need to defeat the uptime version of Albright and take his crystal. You get sent to the burning Arachnos lab map to save Even Younger Albright and his wife (the kids haven't been brought in yet) and defeat Albright, thus breaking the loop. When you get back Amy is gone, having allowed herself to be erased to prevent a potential paradox.

I really wanted to like this but it just had too many problems. It has all the usual baggage found in time-travel stories. There are plot issues unrelated to time travel as well, such as why Albright conveniently moves so slowly. The custom mercenary faction is uninspired at best. My biggest issue, though, is the Woobification of Amy. This is yet another case of an author going too far to avoid writing "just a bunch of stuff that happened". The abuse heaped on this character could be cut considerably without negating the story's impact. I hate to say it but this one is a great try that falls short.


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Heya! Thanks for trying The Destroyer of Worlds.
This is an interesting point. The morality of dropping the atom bomb on Japan has been a subject for debate for years, really. Each person will probably have their own opinion on this. For sake of discussion, here is mine:

* Killing 100,000 noncombatants is unquestionably evil in my book.

* However, ending WW2 without requiring a costly invasion of Japan by ground troops is a "greater good".

* The fact that it was "an act of war" is justification. This is the main reason why I feel a hero could reasonably perform this act while still remaining a "hero". (This perhaps is why you don't feel it is "evil enough".) I do not think "it was war!" removes the fact that it was evil, however.
I don't think it was evil at all. Unfortunate and horrible, yes, but not evil. The bigger issue I had was that the President already made the decision since it was ultimately his to make and not yours.

WN


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The bigger issue I had was that the President already made the decision since it was ultimately his to make and not yours.

As a point of fact, a number of soldiers used a very similar argument as a legal defense shortly after the war, and were subsequently hanged.


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As a point of fact, a number of soldiers used a very similar argument as a legal defense shortly after the war, and were subsequently hanged.
I thought of that exact thing, but felt that no one would go there since it is so clearly apples and oranges. Obeying orders that are obviously insane and hate motivated against your own citizens can hardly be compared to preserving the lives of your citizens during a war that your country did not even start.

Also, as a point of history, dropping the bomb was by far the most humane way to end the war and it saved far more lives on both sides than a conventional invasion of Japan. By most estimates millions of lives would have been lost during a conventional invasion.

WN


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Also, as a point of history, dropping the bomb was by far the most humane way to end the war and it saved far more lives on both sides than a conventional invasion of Japan. By most estimates millions of lives would have been lost during a conventional invasion.
Isn't that the very definition of evil (killing tens of thousands of civilians) for the greater good (saving millions of soldiers lives)?


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Please take the dead-horse beating elsewhere....


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Isn't that the very definition of evil (killing tens of thousands of civilians) for the greater good (saving millions of soldiers lives)?
It is not your bomb or your choice. We can move this to PW's arc thread if yo wish to carry this on further.

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This might surprise you, but I pretty much agree with you 100%. In fact, I got a few giggles while reading that.

Basically, I get TONS and TONS of five stars and very, very good feedback on this arc.. because it relies on someone to allow themselves to get emotionally involved.. nay, entrenched, without trying to overexamine the plot.

As a writer.. getting people seriously engaged emotionally so they can barely think about anything else is great. On the other hand, relying on someone not thinking too much, is well, bad.

This is the product of.. deep emotional scars in my own life.. and wanting to really just let out all kinds of negative, sad emotions into an arc and leave you with a real downer ending, having destroyed who, in better times, could have been like, your best friend. I have a huge, huge feedback list on this arc in game, and about 60% of them mention that the person cried at the end, or was otherwise overcome with emotion. That's completely on purpose.

Unfortunately, this story is full or problems if you start to really examine it. There are several plot holes you either didn't catch or didn't mention.. this is really the one story of mine, in the game or out, that is just.. so damned full of plot holes I can't see straight lol. Every story has plot holes, but this one is swiss cheese.

Not to say the character and the story aren't very near and dear to my heart, just that it suffers because of some mistakes on my part. And given I'm not being paid, and that I actually WON, I have no reason to go correct things. People will like it, or they won't.. so I accept both it's successes and its failures.

Amy is way over-woobified. You can woobify someone and do it right, and make it really have a serious impact.. and then you can go overboard. I did the latter. I'm not sure by how much, but I did. I was blinded by my own deep emotional involvement while writing this and was writing stream of consciousness for Amy, so I just couldn't see it at the time. Oh well.

Aside from the plot holes you didn't mention, and there are several off the top of my head, I think the other main issue is the timey-wimey ball.

This is why I never write time travel stories. This is my first and last. It is VERY difficult to pace a time travel story, or for it to make sense..

BECAUSE TIME TRAVEL IS ******* IMPOSSIBLE.

No matter how you write a time travel story, there will be problems. It's a matter of minimizing those problems while refining the rest of the story so that people just don't notice. Most time travel stories fail on that end, mine included. Arguably, I had it all worked out in my head why time travel was working how it was in this story, but what does it matter? The reader/player isn't privvy to that, you know? If the integrity of your plot relies on an infodump via Word of God, then.. yeah..

The entire plot was an engine to get to that heroic sacrifice at the end, which is really the huge problem tying all the other little problems together. Every plot point needs to exist for itself and the greater story simultaneously, not just one or the other.

This is one of my most poorly written stories, I will say it plain as day, just like that.

I think Amy is one of my most will written characters though. You can agree or disagree all you want She was written completely stream of consciousness, with myself personally immersed in her part emotionally (I was crying through a lot of the times she was). I felt like, regardless of what actually was happening around her, and whether it always made sense or not, that she herself behaved in a very human manner.

Some people think she's being too emo and whatnot, but really.. have all the **** that just happened to her, happen to you in a span of a little less than two days, and let's see how you're holding together Most people would not handle it any better, some would just curl into a little ball.

Others wrongly think that she is an example of a weak female lead.. but to me, she is a very strong person. She sticks to her morals to the point it gets her family killed, and then weighed down with the feeling that she is herself responsible for their deaths, along with just being punished at every turn, has the willpower to go on, the drive to continue, to see it through and get justice for her family. And then at the end, has the strength to sacrifice herself for those she loves.

I am proud of her as a character, the story, it would take a lot to fix it, and I have no interest in doing so, nor the time to do it even if I were interested.

It won, and I get a lot of positive feedback, and that's good enough for me

Thank you for your honest review. I am glad you weren't a malicious ***** this time around, I actually like you somewhat now (I'm sure you are overjoyed LOL).



I'm only ladylike when compared to my sister.

 

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Arc #259920, "In Poor Taste"
tl;dr: 3 stars. Offenses: disjointed level range, lowbrow humor


Reviewed on: 2/12/2010
Level Range: 30-40/30-40/35-40
Factions: Generic, Tsoo, Freakshow
Architect's Keywords: Ideal for Teams, Solo Friendly, Comedy
My Keywords: Comedy
Character used: Venture/Virtue
Difficulty: +2x5+B-AV


I decided to try to get back into reviewing arcs today (I'm mostly playing CO and STO these days). The first arc in my now-private queue was #8925, "Forget the Rose, Send Me the Thorns". Aside from the fact that I can't remember why I thought I should review this in the first place, the briefing says it's "part 6" and doesn't even give any indication where parts 1-5 are. So that went straight to /dev/null.


So, moving on...Ms. Manners wants your help in locating certain villains with "questionable" names. It seems that every time one of these guys makes the news the press gets bombarded with calls and letters from parents and school officials, so she wants them taken in for good. Presumably this means they won't be sent to the Zig. The first of these is Manhandle, a Freak Tank who makes some single entendres (sic) as you beat him up. He gives up an address book of more villains with dubious names.


Next on the list is Terrible Wind, a Tsoo running a racket in Faultline. This one is set on the dam map for some reason. You're to take him in, and optionally destroy his wares, three crates of Pont-l'Évêque cheese, said to be the world's smelliest. (Wiki doesn't say anything about the cheese being particularly smelly but does say it's one of the most popular cheeses in France. The smelliest cheese I've ever heard of is Limberger.) Needless to say this time you get bombarded with fart jokes, with the added pleasure of fighting an entire map full of the most annoying mobs in the Tsoo lineup. Wind's cell phone turns out to have a text message on it saying the foul-named villains are on to you and are planning a meeting.


So, the two of you team up to take out the last of the lot. The showdown takes place on the newbie Council warehouse map, with more anatomical one-liners. This one also offered the displeasure of Tsoo patrols stuck in the rafters, which inconveniently fell on me and Ms. Manners when we already had a large fight going. She was more or less insta-ganked. Anyway, you beat up a few more mobs with suggestive names, the end.


If you think Judd Apatow movies are funny, you might like this. I don't, so I didn't.


Current Blog Post: "Why I am an Atheist..."
"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"

 

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Thanks for playing/reviewing it. I do have to comment (of course...lol).

You listed the arcs offenses as disjointed level range and lowbrow humor.

1) The level range was M1: 30-40, M2: 30-40 and M3: 35-40. The arc was published before you could set the level range so I got it as close as I could. I never thought or noticed the difference until you pointed it out and it took a grand total of 30 seconds to fix and republish.

2) Lowbrow humor as an offense on an arc designed solely to be about lowbrow humor seems, well, unfair. It is clear from the description that the arc is all about lowbrow humor
so I am not sure why of all my arcs you picked it.

For me personally, this is exactly why I no longer request reviews. Having 2 stars deducted from an arcs rating because of something that takes 30 seconds to change and because the arc aptly meets the criteria it sets for itself seems to pointlessly damage the arc's rating to me.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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Originally Posted by Venture View Post
I decided to try to get back into reviewing arcs today (I'm mostly playing CO and STO these days). The first arc in my now-private queue was #8925, "Forget the Rose, Send Me the Thorns". Aside from the fact that I can't remember why I thought I should review this in the first place, the briefing says it's "part 6" and doesn't even give any indication where parts 1-5 are. So that went straight to /dev/null.
The "Part 6" is actually a joke. The arc is very tongue in cheek. I'd recommend giving it a run, it's one of the few humour arcs I actually find funny.


Astoria in D Minor, a horror arc. Arc ID: 41565 - The Beating Heart of Astoria: A Play in Five Acts. Arc ID: 170547 - Ignition of the Machine, a story with robots. Arc ID: 318983
Captain Skylark Shadowfancy and the Tomorrownauts of Today. Arc ID: 337333 - Signal:Noise, where is everybody? Arc ID: 341194
@The Cheshire Cat - Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?

12 second horror stories - a writing experiment.

 

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I don't deduct one star per "offense". If I did a lot of arcs would run into the negatives.

The arc got three stars because it wasn't funny. There wasn't anything really wrong with it, but there wasn't anything right with it either. So it got an average grade. I realise there is a movement afoot to redefine the rating scale along the "no child left behind" principle so that just spelling all the words correctly is enough to get five stars, but I don't subscribe to that point of view. If the scale is one to five, then a work of average quality should get a three. The shortcomings of the browser or HoF systems are just not a factor.


Current Blog Post: "Why I am an Atheist..."
"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"