Can a human-form Warshade handle a +4x8 Arachnos mob?


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Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe View Post
Okay, you didn't say that; that wasn't my point. And gratz on managing +3/8. Not everyone can do that. Was it with or without inspiratons? If it was without, then triple-gratz.

My point is that if you're really interested in promoting human-form, then you might try a more constructive approach.

Don't have mids? No problem - just give the general hilights of what helped make it possible.

For example, was it all your build, or did your playstyle and skill have more to do with it?

If it's the latter, how can others do it? Do you have a specific strategy?

What sets do you use, if any? Do you pursue soft-capped defense, or max out the damage?

Any of that helps others who might be curious about trying to do the same. Builds help greatly, but they certainly aren't a requirement.
no insps no accolades
but also no mezzers so not that big a deal.


playstyle is a strong part of it but build is important

highlights of build

perma eclipse
5 second downtime on mire
172.5% recharge with a downtime of 1.5 seconds at 102.5%
built for recharge mostly

its about killing the right mob at the right time
saving bodies
and making sure your not going up against 2 bosses with no corpses on the ground.


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no insps no accolades
but also no mezzers so not that big a deal.
Sure it's a big deal, even with no mezzers. I'm not sure my WS could do it.

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playstyle is a strong part of it but build is important

highlights of build

perma eclipse
5 second downtime on mire
172.5% recharge with a downtime of 1.5 seconds at 102.5%
built for recharge mostly

its about killing the right mob at the right time
saving bodies
and making sure your not going up against 2 bosses with no corpses on the ground.
Recharge. I knew I missed something when I asked about set bonuses!

So I'm guessing you stealth in to the edge of the mob, orbiting death and the stun aura running, Grav Em, make for the boss, Gravity well, Eclipse, AoE blast, raise fluffies and unchain essence? Next mob, rinse/repeat and before long three fluffies out, right?

That was a most constructive post. Welcome to the Kheld Forums, Debtlover Consider my earlier Troll remarks retracted.


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That video showed me why i like my tri-form.

As for using inspirations... I'd rather use them than be needlessly dead in the mistaken belief that not using them proves how uber I am.


 

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Sure it's a big deal, even with no mezzers. I'm not sure my WS could do it.



Recharge. I knew I missed something when I asked about set bonuses!

So I'm guessing you stealth in to the edge of the mob, orbiting death and the stun aura running, Grav Em, make for the boss, Gravity well, Eclipse, AoE blast, raise fluffies and unchain essence? Next mob, rinse/repeat and before long three fluffies out, right?

That was a most constructive post. Welcome to the Kheld Forums, Debtlover Consider my earlier Troll remarks retracted.
no grav em
no stealthing to edge


tp directly into center, fire off eclipse, fire off mire, hit a minion with grav well, hit 'em with the ole corpse explosion, summon a fluffie, stygian circle. start killin off the boss with grav well and blasts, and making sure not to kill off ALL the mins luts until bosses are down.
orbiting death takes care of corpse generation while i kill bosses


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council acually you have to go for luts first
they are the stunners
council mins and bosses are jokes

i just recently got demons
been testin out that whole deal.
lemmie tell yah 2 spawns of +3/8 is no joke

as for what would be a good stress test i got no idea.

i've yet to try +4/8 demons but will later today and will update


edited to say tried +4/8 demons solo no bosses
ludicrously easy. not a stress test.


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I have to say... HEH! You want to stress-test, play against your worst nightmare, not against the easy groups.

While I agree that using inspirations cheapens the idea of soloing AV's, soloing spawns meant for teams already seems nightmarish enough, especially if you're fighting a difficult group to begin with, which the spidies already are. So in this case, sporadic use of inspiration is quite acceptable and even popping several insps pre-battle seems acceptable to me since essentially: a) everybody can do it; b) you're already fighting spawns meant for a team, not to mention 4 levels above you!

You want to stress-test, go fight Carnies, Malta, CoT Possessed Scientists, Aracnos and other groups that are set up against your specific weaknesses.


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classic stress test rules are no insps and no accolades
period
end of story


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I kinda agree Lord xenite that that would be a great challenge, to go against your greatest weakness, but I would also like to see what your strongest attributes are if that makes any sense.(I have a head ache) I still think Alien One did a great job/ I mean I haven't bothered with my human form that much because I'm more of a fan of my Fire/Fire tanker(he's my favorite character and once I finally purple him out I would love to post what he can do just because it's fun) and I'm not sure that my fire fire tank can do that...yet lol

Anyways I want to remind everyone that these posts of our greatest achievements with our characters are both for fun and to test our abilities because I can tell everyone here likes a challenge.(not for reputation)

I'm kinda interested to see what Alien One can do against his greatest weakness, or hell anyone for that. I'm not too biased against people who use inspirations because they are there for us to use It is always fun though to see what someone can do without insp.


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He already has. Fact of the matter is that for a human-only kheldian, mez IS our primary weakness. next up is our lack of psi mitigation.

That means Arachnos and Carnies fit the bill.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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He already has. Fact of the matter is that for a human-only kheldian, mez IS our primary weakness. next up is our lack of psi mitigation.

That means Arachnos and Carnies fit the bill.
psi is not a weakness
its mez
only mez :P


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Psi isn't a weakness? And what power for either WSs or PBs offers psi resistance or defense?

For the record, I chuckle at the thought that you even bothered to use council as a stress test. They're almost as pathetic as freakshow.


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psi is not a weakness
its mez
only mez :P

Well then I don't see why people are asking more of him. If you ask me, he has beat the game lol


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Well then I don't see why people are asking more of him. If you ask me, he has beat the game lol
No. he used a free dropped item to make his weakness disappear.
How is that beating the game?

As for the RWZ scrapper stress test. They have mez prot.
The test for them is can they out dps before they die.
Are you suggesting that our test be how many purples and light purples can you hold/pop before and durring combat?


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No. he used a free dropped item to make his weakness disappear.
How is that beating the game?

As for the RWZ scrapper stress test. They have mez prot.
The test for them is can they out dps before they die.
Are you suggesting that our test be how many purples and light purples can you hold/pop before and durring combat?

No, but since it's his GREATEST weakness, he can manage +4x8 against his weakness, has more that 550 badges, hit lvl 50, has his character built out the way he wants, I would call that pretty much beating the game. The difficulty doesn't get any harder than +4x8 so if he can manage his greatest weakness at that point, even if it's just barely, then I would be pretty confident with myself if that was me lol There's not much left for him to do but maybe, if he can, fine tune his pb. From the looks of it, he's already done that but I can't be 100% sure because I haven't seen his build, but I don't need to because if he wants to keep it a secret than i'm fine with that.


EDIT: Wait yes it does my bad. I have a head ache and shouldn't even be arguing about this is just my personal opinion lol

EDIT: I totally forgot he didn't use bosses, but still for his greatest weakness(and everyone has a weakness) he did pretty friggin good


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As for the RWZ scrapper stress test. They have mez prot.
The test for them is can they out dps before they die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3d0wjbu4c

Human/Dwarf warshade does RWZ challenge.

Mez in this game is stupidly put together. Far as I'm concerned, if any AT can pull off the RWZ challenge and use nothing but breakfrees to do it so that they, too, can ignore the idiocy that is the way mez functions here, I call it a win.

So there's my challenge for any kheldian out there.

Even if you must use breakfrees, and ONLY breakfrees to do it, if you head into the RWZ, find a level 54 spawn with 3 bosses and take them out, including all associated LTs and minions, I'll give you a cookie and say challenge well done.

No pulling the spawn apart. No running away. No temp powers. Vet attacks are acceptable but generally frowned upon.

Once you pull that off, go for the gold.

+4/x8 Arachnos spawn WITH bosses, again no insp use except breakfrees allowed.

I know I can't do either with my warshade but he's running on basic IOs. I know I can do both with my scrapper. Hell, unless I get cocky and stupid, I can make it through a whole mission without insps but I WILL be playing it damn safe because psi hurts like hell against SR.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3d0wjbu4c

Human/Dwarf warshade does RWZ challenge.

Mez in this game is stupidly put together. Far as I'm concerned, if any AT can pull off the RWZ challenge and use nothing but breakfrees to do it so that they, too, can ignore the idiocy that is the way mez functions here, I call it a win.

So there's my challenge for any kheldian out there.

Even if you must use breakfrees, and ONLY breakfrees to do it, if you head into the RWZ, find a level 54 spawn with 3 bosses and take them out, including all associated LTs and minions, I'll give you a cookie and say challenge well done.

No pulling the spawn apart. No running away. No temp powers. Vet attacks are acceptable but generally frowned upon.

Once you pull that off, go for the gold.

+4/x8 Arachnos spawn WITH bosses, again no insp use except breakfrees allowed.

I know I can't do either with my warshade but he's running on basic IOs. I know I can do both with my scrapper. Hell, unless I get cocky and stupid, I can make it through a whole mission without insps but I WILL be playing it damn safe because psi hurts like hell against SR.
with a isp tray full of 20 bfs i dont see that as much of a "challenge"
just saying
arachnos is NOT that evil if you have a breakfree


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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3d0wjbu4c

Human/Dwarf warshade does RWZ challenge.

Mez in this game is stupidly put together. Far as I'm concerned, if any AT can pull off the RWZ challenge and use nothing but breakfrees to do it so that they, too, can ignore the idiocy that is the way mez functions here, I call it a win.

So there's my challenge for any kheldian out there.

Even if you must use breakfrees, and ONLY breakfrees to do it, if you head into the RWZ, find a level 54 spawn with 3 bosses and take them out, including all associated LTs and minions, I'll give you a cookie and say challenge well done.

No pulling the spawn apart. No running away. No temp powers. Vet attacks are acceptable but generally frowned upon.

Once you pull that off, go for the gold.

+4/x8 Arachnos spawn WITH bosses, again no insp use except breakfrees allowed.

I know I can't do either with my warshade but he's running on basic IOs. I know I can do both with my scrapper. Hell, unless I get cocky and stupid, I can make it through a whole mission without insps but I WILL be playing it damn safe because psi hurts like hell against SR.
The video Alien One did was awesome, now to see somone do the RWZ challenge and arachnos challenge with no insp and bosses is just CrAZy AwEsOmE!!!!!!!


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with a isp tray full of 20 bfs i dont see that as much of a "challenge"
just saying
arachnos is NOT that evil if you have a breakfree
Let's see it. Talk means nothing.


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Let's see it. Talk means nothing.
I need to prove nothing to you.
I shall try, but dont expect me to youtube it.
Infact I doubt I'll even screenie.
I have nothing to prove.
I made my warshade into something I love, and thats all that really matters.


For that matter my WHOLE point is that NO insps should be usable in stress tests. Phail.


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I need to prove nothing to you.
I shall try, but dont expect me to youtube it.
Infact I doubt I'll even screenie.
I have nothing to prove.
I made my warshade into something I love, and thats all that really matters.


For that matter my WHOLE point is that NO insps should be usable in stress tests. Phail.
You don't need to show me a video, I'm just going to trust you and what ever you say you did, I will believe you.(hell if you pull something really outrageous I would like to see you do it. I'l make a toon on champion and you can take me to your mission and I'll watch)

I don't know what your whole thing about "I don't need to prove anything to you" but we don't really care if you think you need to prove anything or not, we just want to hear what you can do since you are criticizing the test. It's kinda hard for you to criticize without giving anything because then we just think you're another troll here to try and piss people off.(not saying that you are)

I can see how you want to see it with no insp, that would be a great test because then you know what your character can take all the time and not just some of the time.


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If your online tonight from 9:00pm pacific time tonight that would be a great time for me to come and watch you, but if you can't that's understandable and we can arrange some other time if your up for it.(if not that's cool too)


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If your online tonight from 9:00pm pacific time tonight that would be a great time for me to come and watch you, but if you can't that's understandable and we can arrange some other time if your up for it.(if not that's cool too)
9pm is 12 eastern?

I'll prob be on if i'm awake.



as for what i said i can do
+4/8 demons no insps no accolades

not amazing
but it is something


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9pm is 12 eastern?

I'll prob be on if i'm awake.



as for what i said i can do
+4/8 demons no insps no accolades

not amazing
but it is something
I didn't see that, grats! anyways if that's too late for you is 7:00 pm pacific better?


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I didn't see that, grats! anyways if that's too late for you is 7:00 pm pacific better?
yeah probably would be
but i'm not sure what you wanna see me do :P


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