They aren't really regularly scheduled, although Justice could certainly gather enough folks on a regular basis. (In fact, we had an impromptu raid last week and it actually went pretty well.) Trouble is, there just aren't enough people who know how to run them. Hell, I know I don't. (Perhaps, I should learn.) Ice Knight has been great about running them lately.
They are very popular events and usually you have to get there early before the hive fills up. Often they start at 9-10pm EST, so if you are on chat around that time, you will hear people calling out to gather in the hive.
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I'd be willing to run them, but my experience is with the old raids. Maybe we can get a few "future Raid Leaders" together for Hamidon Raid Leading 101. I'll see if I can shoot Ice Knight a tell and see if he's up for that.
Anyone up for volunteering for Raid Leader?
I'm up for it. Copy and paste your name to list if you're interested.
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I'd be interested in learning how to run one. I'd probably have to learn how to do binds, something I have been resisting. I've run yellow agro before, and been on most teams, but that's it.
If I could learn how, I think I'd be willing to set up a regular day and time for Justice.
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I'm pretty sure that Justice has more than it's fair share of people who know how to lead a raid. Unfortunately, raid burnout seems to happen frequently enough where a regular schedule seems to hard to keep.|
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
They aren't really regularly scheduled, although Justice could certainly gather enough folks on a regular basis. (In fact, we had an impromptu raid last week and it actually went pretty well.) Trouble is, there just aren't enough people who know how to run them. Hell, I know I don't. (Perhaps, I should learn.) Ice Knight has been great about running them lately.
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I think part of the problem/reason is that the new style raid scheme severely limits the number of people in the hive, forcing good raid leaders/sub-leaders to either come extra early or be locked out of the hive. This, combined with a substantial number of raid leechers, makes people question why they want to keep leading after an extended period.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
This, combined with a substantial number of raid leechers, makes people question why they want to keep leading after an extended period.
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Something has to be done about the leechers. A couple of raids ago, we had 34 people in the zone, no yellow damage team, and the hive was full. Eventually, we got it going, but it took forever. I can understand why people wouldn't want to lead often.
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It is disheartening to find people camped out in forests and areas outlying the bowl. The devs have changed the reward structure a bit from what I can tell to reduce leeching but it still won't prevent people from a last second snatch and grab. It is also hard to stomach knowing somebody will leech a free hami when you've got good teammates who DC for whatever reason and can't get back into the Hive because it is full.|
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
Fair enough.
Something has to be done about the leechers. A couple of raids ago, we had 34 people in the zone, no yellow damage team, and the hive was full. Eventually, we got it going, but it took forever. I can understand why people wouldn't want to lead often. |
Unfortunately, it seems like leading can feel like a thankless task, and there is a fairly high expectation from the community since Justice is well recognized for successful and fun raids. High pressure, low rewards seems like a recipe to burn yourself out if you're not careful.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
IUnfortunately, it seems like leading can feel like a thankless task, and there is a fairly high expectation from the community since Justice is well recognized for successful and fun raids. High pressure, low rewards seems like a recipe to burn yourself out if you're not careful.
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Set the teams in the Hive, kill some monsters and wait for the hive to fill up. When it does, the leader sends a tell to all the individual team leaders who -through team channel- to keep it quiet on broadcast but move the whole thing to Hive 2. People who we know to be active participants who are locked out, we can just tell them to go to Hive 2. We'll have to rehunt some monsters, but we'd leave the leechers sitting alone with Hami in Hive 2. In addition, if someone stays there to keep it spawned, we could just move the whole operation back to Hive 1 and do it again real fast. Hopefully by then, the leechers will have tired and bailed.
We do this when we seem to have a lot of leechers. Eventually they will try and head us off at Hive 2, at which point we stay in Hive 1. Still, a PITA to go through just to have everyone get their just rewards.
Just a thought.
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But but I like to leech..................
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I'm not sure exactly what the leecher mentality is like but they might be just sitting there instead of being AFK, which would mean that a mass exodus of players to the next Hive instance would just be a big old game of musical chairs. |
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
I've had this thought -and I'm sure I'm not the first one to have it:
Set the teams in the Hive, kill some monsters and wait for the hive to fill up. When it does, the leader sends a tell to all the individual team leaders who -through team channel- to keep it quiet on broadcast but move the whole thing to Hive 2. People who we know to be active participants who are locked out, we can just tell them to go to Hive 2. We'll have to rehunt some monsters, but we'd leave the leechers sitting alone with Hami in Hive 2. In addition, if someone stays there to keep it spawned, we could just move the whole operation back to Hive 1 and do it again real fast. Hopefully by then, the leechers will have tired and bailed. We do this when we seem to have a lot of leechers. Eventually they will try and head us off at Hive 2, at which point we stay in Hive 1. Still, a PITA to go through just to have everyone get their just rewards. Just a thought. |
You'd also risk losing the average hami raider spot to more leechers, since there are some who spend the whole raid in Eden head banging until they get in.
Just playing Devil's advocate.
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Pum is correct about the musical chair, but we have done this a time or two when reward merits were first introduced to the game.|
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
I've had this thought -and I'm sure I'm not the first one to have it:
Set the teams in the Hive, kill some monsters and wait for the hive to fill up. When it does, the leader sends a tell to all the individual team leaders who -through team channel- to keep it quiet on broadcast but move the whole thing to Hive 2. People who we know to be active participants who are locked out, we can just tell them to go to Hive 2. We'll have to rehunt some monsters, but we'd leave the leechers sitting alone with Hami in Hive 2. In addition, if someone stays there to keep it spawned, we could just move the whole operation back to Hive 1 and do it again real fast. Hopefully by then, the leechers will have tired and bailed. We do this when we seem to have a lot of leechers. Eventually they will try and head us off at Hive 2, at which point we stay in Hive 1. Still, a PITA to go through just to have everyone get their just rewards. Just a thought. |
Also regarding new raid leaders, there are a number of active Justice raid leaders that are more than willing to lend a hand to teach new people how to lead a raid or just a team. Pum taught me how to lead green team and how to set up a macro to target the greens and I was like ZOMGWHATSAMACRO. Before the forum purge there were Hami guides and bind files milling around, but I'm not sure if there still are. Q had a link to i9 raids I believe somewhere, and not too long ago Hery put up her binds, as did Con and enri I believe for redside raids. I'll look for the link. Larry was my teacher for leading raids so my binds are a direct copy of his.
There also seems to be a misconception that you have to be the Hami Aggro tank to lead Hami Raids. When I started leading them on my empathy defender I received alot of tells asking why I was calling it on 'that toon'. Quatermain has on many occasion ran a raid while tanking a yellow mito or being on green team.
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Perhaps. I envision them skulking behind rocks away from the action and watching NCIS until someone says on broadcast "last wave" at which point they jump up and pretend to have been there all raid, like some cheating marathoner.|
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
I'm not sure exactly what the leecher mentality is like but they might be just sitting there instead of being AFK, which would mean that a mass exodus of players to the next Hive instance would just be a big old game of musical chairs.
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Who knows what they are thinking. It's so much more fun to play it out.
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All of us at one point or another learned the raid from others. I know I learned from quite a few people and I am more then willing to show others how to raid to leading teams to leading the raid.
The Hammi Tank is not always the raid leader. Now I would estimate that many raids have had the Hammi Tank as the Raid Leader. However I have seen leaders lead from The Green Team, Yellow Teams and ofcourse from Hammi. There is no specific requirement to be on a specific team to lead Hammi.
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Sounds like raiding has really changed since my last one, so what's the next step? I'd like to learn all aspects of leading a raid from Team Leader to Raid Leader.
When/how are the raids announced, I don't believe I've ever seen them in the zone broadcast and I know (back when) that was one of the ways the raids were announced.
What are the current requirements for the Hami Tank?
Other than the Halloween event, when are/were the raids held?
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As far as I can tell, and I've never tanked hami, you need a ton of EoEs and some buffers. Granite tanks usually hold the job, but I've seen others do a fine job.
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Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
What are the current requirements for the Hami Tank?
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Usually, they are held on weekday evenings at 9pm or 10pm EST. Occasionally, there will be one on a weekend. As far as I know, there are none currently scheduled outside of Ice Knight's Halloween Bash.|
Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
Other than the Halloween event, when are/were the raids held?
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(I used "Bash" because I thought it had a better connotation with this being a super hero video game.)
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Hami Raids can only be held in the Hive blue side and the Abyss redside. (I'm personally hoping for a co-op Hami zone at some point, and not the GR kind of co-op)|
Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
Sounds like raiding has really changed since my last one, so what's the next step? I'd like to learn all aspects of leading a raid from Team Leader to Raid Leader.
When/how are the raids announced, I don't believe I've ever seen them in the zone broadcast and I know (back when) that was one of the ways the raids were announced. What are the current requirements for the Hami Tank? Other than the Halloween event, when are/were the raids held? |
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Great thanks for the info.
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Quatermain is probably where most of the Justice Hami raid knowledge is kept. I'd advise waiting until he's asleep before cracking his head open to see what's inside.|
Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
Sounds like raiding has really changed since my last one, so what's the next step? I'd like to learn all aspects of leading a raid from Team Leader to Raid Leader.
When/how are the raids announced, I don't believe I've ever seen them in the zone broadcast and I know (back when) that was one of the ways the raids were announced. What are the current requirements for the Hami Tank? Other than the Halloween event, when are/were the raids held? |
Technically there isn't any set method that is required, although Q's methods are best for the PuG style raiding that Justice engages in. Public raids are generally advertised here and in the various public channels' MotD.
Tanking Hami doesn't require a lot of EoEs if you have the right build and team support, although it does help. There are probably a good 20 or 30 people on Justice ahead of me that could advise you at tanking Hami.
Being a raid leader is pretty much the person who coordinates all the sub groups (team leaders), so there is no requirement for the raid leader to be a part of any of the participant groups. In theory, a leecher could coordinate the raid, although one of the biggest factors in leadership is having credibility. Without it no one will follow your directions, and the raid will generally fall apart.
To everyone else the raid leader is the one who talks before the raid, in between the waves, and tells everyone else to stay off request.
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I lead a raid on a lvl46 kinetics defender once.|
Originally Posted by Mermoine
There also seems to be a misconception that you have to be the Hami Aggro tank to lead Hami Raids. When I started leading them on my empathy defender I received alot of tells asking why I was calling it on 'that toon'. Quatermain has on many occasion ran a raid while tanking a yellow mito or being on green team. |
Burn out really does seem to be one of the major factors on raid frequency.
I am always happy to see someone new want to learn to lead, and will gladly help to teach people the ropes.
That is a good point about the lack of broadcast announcements. I honestly hadn't even thought about using broadcast in other zones in a long long time.
I don't know how many different ATs you have at lvl 50, but I think the best way to get your feet wet is to participate in as many of the different teams as you can. I've led green teams, yellow aggro teams, blue teams (when we still formed blue teams), SB'd on the hami aggro team, etc. Get a feel for how each different team operates and the timing and targeting. It also helps to see one go horribly wrong every once in a while lol. Once you know what each team is doing and the things that can go wrong with that, you'll be better prepared to respond to shortcomings and developments.
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With the addition of the Eden Base Portal (and the subsequent demise of the Hamidon Express Teleport Service) and the zone cap, it's difficult for people to broadcast in other zones as we did before and still be assured of being able to get into The Hive to participate.
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Originally Posted by Maribelle
That is a good point about the lack of broadcast announcements. I honestly hadn't even thought about using broadcast in other zones in a long long time. |
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Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
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Actually no the hami tank just needs emp's like Blu J, me and merm. You all know it's true >.>
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For one, you have to have Taunt. May sound obvious, but you'd be surprised. |
Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
What are the current requirements for the Hami Tank?
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Second, you have to be able to pay attention and communicate effectively.
Third, you need some mez protection, as Hami has a hell of a stun.
Lastly, you need EoEs and a good support system.
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Hi all,
I was wondering if Justice raids Hamidon with any particular frequency. I noticed a raid happening during Ice Knight's Halloween event, but I was wondering if there was a regularly scheduled raids.
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