There has never been a better time to buy purples
By
Another_Fan,
Posted on: 2009-10-21 19:07 in The Market and Inventions
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Sorry, you're correct. I was thinking of "Ultimate" when I said "Huge".|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
They're not 'Huge' set bonuses? (I don't have any slotted.) Keep in mind that the purple bonuses are 'Ultimate'.
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Not all the bonuses from PvPOs are "Huge", though many are. Some of them are merely "Large".
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
LOL I read this thread and had to think that there was a pump and dump scheme someplace that was short a few players.
Bottom line, unless you have enough inf that you are hard pressed coming up with ways to use it, it doesn't matter. If you need/want the purple and can buy it slot it and enjoy it. If not, well longterm investments in a video game are kind of foolish at best.
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So, wait, having long-term player goals in a persistent world MMO is foolish? Fascinating. You might want to let the developers of every major MMO (and most of the successful smaller ones) know.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
If not, well longterm investments in a video game are kind of foolish at best.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I have to agree, the original statement is nonsense. Within an ever-evolving MMO, careful observation and planning leads to positive results for the player.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
So, wait, having long-term player goals in a persistent world MMO is foolish? Fascinating. You might want to let the developers of every major MMO (and most of the successful smaller ones) know.
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I agree as well. Considering my reg date and that of many others, I would say the some of us are here for the long term. Why not plan for it? As long as I am having fun, right?
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
So, wait, having long-term player goals in a persistent world MMO is foolish? Fascinating. You might want to let the developers of every major MMO (and most of the successful smaller ones) know.
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Badging in a PvP zone?
If you are treasure hunting on a battlefield wearing an enemy uniform, there is a high probability that you will be attacked.
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Fascinating indeed sir. I wonder if he'll go into more detail as to why it's foolish. It would be an interesting read. Hey, maybe we'll even get a graph to go with it! I like graphs.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
So, wait, having long-term player goals in a persistent world MMO is foolish? Fascinating. You might want to let the developers of every major MMO (and most of the successful smaller ones) know.
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"And I swear to effing god, that community is .01% nethergoat-level smart and 99.99% completely fascinating varieties of turd-licking idiots" -Talen Lee
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Oh Ya fa sure|
Originally Posted by perwira
I have to agree, the original statement is nonsense. Within an ever-evolving MMO, careful observation and planning leads to positive results for the player.
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[Raspberry noise]
Listening to people rave about how wonderful prices are now and how you should spend your money on purples because its the best time EVAH !!! is careful observation . Taking advice from random people that want to sell things is sound investment planning. Why I know a few people from First Investors (Remember them ?) that would love to talk to you at length about the value of mutual funds and how it just happens to turn out theirs are great.
But back to the original point. This is a game you play it to enjoy it. If you can purple out a toon and think you want to, too enjoy it more do it now. Unless you are playing the game to make a pile of inf and sit on it doing an impression of Smeagol you arent going to enjoy it any more in a month or two months and in the meantime you have had the use of your purples which oddly enough can get you more purples.
And if you want a little careful observation about MARKETS in general.
Here are some translations from market speak to English.
1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands.
2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action.
3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me.
4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it.
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I pity you. I've never seen this much cynicism over a make-believe economy before.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Oh Ya fa sure
[Raspberry noise] Listening to people rave about how wonderful prices are now and how you should spend your money on purples because its the best time EVAH !!! is careful observation . Taking advice from random people that want to sell things is sound investment planning. Why I know a few people from First Investors (Remember them ?) that would love to talk to you at length about the value of mutual funds and how it just happens to turn out theirs are great. But back to the original point. This is a game you play it to enjoy it. If you can purple out a toon and think you want to, too enjoy it more do it now. Unless you are playing the game to make a pile of inf and sit on it doing an impression of Smeagol you arent going to enjoy it any more in a month or two months and in the meantime you have had the use of your purples which oddly enough can get you more purples. And if you want a little careful observation about MARKETS in general. Here are some translations from market speak to English. 1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands. 2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action. 3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me. 4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it. |
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*whistle* Point and counterpoint times four and more!|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Oh Ya fa sure
[Raspberry noise] Listening to people rave about how wonderful prices are now and how you should spend your money on purples because its the best time EVAH !!! is careful observation . Taking advice from random people that want to sell things is sound investment planning. Why I know a few people from First Investors (Remember them ?) that would love to talk to you at length about the value of mutual funds and how it just happens to turn out theirs are great. But back to the original point. This is a game you play it to enjoy it. If you can purple out a toon and think you want to, too enjoy it more do it now. Unless you are playing the game to make a pile of inf and sit on it doing an impression of Smeagol you arent going to enjoy it any more in a month or two months and in the meantime you have had the use of your purples which oddly enough can get you more purples. And if you want a little careful observation about MARKETS in general. Here are some translations from market speak to English. 1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands. 2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action. 3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me. 4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it. |
FWIW, like a few others have already said here, I'm hanging loose on purple sets. Partly because they've been (and still are) over-priced and partly because my characters' builds don't need the (Smeagol reference) preciousssss purplesssss.
But like our dear friends Frodo and Bilbo, I'm not stupid, either (even as an original Gygax D&D pencil, paper and dice gamer and GM).
Fact is, you get what you earn within the game, whether it's through play, the market, negotiation, or elsewise. And it's up to you to enjoy what you do within the game, whatever it may be that you do.
In CoX, it's clear that you have to earn (either through play and/or through inf acquired) the rarest and most valuable drops. Either, or both, ways, you need to be aware of what the potential is to acquire them and how they actually benefit your characters.
On point four, you can have yours and we can have ours. Really, as long as the game is active, there's no limit to it.
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I've been doing it wrong. Other than my sarcasm loaded responses to the whiners, I've tried to actually help people who ask for help in the forums. I'll stop that and try being more deceptive from now on.|
Here are some translations from market speak to English. (snip) |
RagManX
"if the market were religion Fulmens would be Moses and you'd be L. Ron Hubbard. " --Nethergoat to eryq2
The economy is not broken. The players are
Apparently, AF has been away from posting here so he could spend time marinating in the broth of his own vitrol.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Oh Ya fa sure
[Raspberry noise] Listening to people rave about how wonderful prices are now and how you should spend your money on purples because its the best time EVAH !!! is careful observation . Taking advice from random people that want to sell things is sound investment planning. Why I know a few people from First Investors (Remember them ?) that would love to talk to you at length about the value of mutual funds and how it just happens to turn out theirs are great. But back to the original point. This is a game you play it to enjoy it. If you can purple out a toon and think you want to, too enjoy it more do it now. Unless you are playing the game to make a pile of inf and sit on it doing an impression of Smeagol you arent going to enjoy it any more in a month or two months and in the meantime you have had the use of your purples which oddly enough can get you more purples. And if you want a little careful observation about MARKETS in general. Here are some translations from market speak to English. 1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands. 2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action. 3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me. 4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it. |
Clearly this is your first time in this forum. If you had ever spent any time here you would know how overwhelmingly helpful the folks here are to anyone who wants advice on how to get rich. If you had spent any time here you would not even consider posting such accusatory, obnoxious statements. If you had spent any time here you would have taken the plentiful advice, made a load of influence, and bought any and all items you ever wanted. If you had ever spent any time here you would be giving a post such as yours the mockery and derision it so rightly deserves.
So, welcome to the market forums, since you have obviously never been here before!
...in CoH racing to 50 is like trying to race to the end of your vacation. -Arcanaville
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it.
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The rest of your post is pretty lawlwut.png, but this really makes me wonder. Who do you see saying "You have a sense of entitlement" and not trying to help people?
"And I swear to effing god, that community is .01% nethergoat-level smart and 99.99% completely fascinating varieties of turd-licking idiots" -Talen Lee
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It's a forum, a place where people post their opinions and other people respond. If you read this thread in its entirity, you'll have a good idea of where purples stand now and where involved marketeers think they're going. No careful observation needed, just basic literacy.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Listening to people rave about how wonderful prices are now and how you should spend your money on purples because its the best time EVAH !!! is careful observation .
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| Taking advice from random people that want to sell things is sound investment planning. |
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| But back to the original point. This is a game you play it to enjoy it. If you can purple out a toon and think you want to, too enjoy it more do it now. Unless you are playing the game to make a pile of inf and sit on it doing an impression of Smeagol you arent going to enjoy it any more in a month or two months.... |
I play the market as a mini game. Getting expensive stuff for less gives me a thrill. Sure, I have enough inf right now to 'brute force' the build I want for the Goat...but why should I, when I can wait a few more weeks and do it for much less?
My fire/rad had a couple of purple sets in base storage which I was too lazy to respec in. I picked them up for cheap quite a while back. When prices spiked during the MA frenzy, I dug them out and sold them for a truly ridiculous markup. I'm going to buy them back at some point in the future, likely for more than I paid originally but for vastly less than what I got for them.
That's fun for me. That's fun for anyone who approaches the market as its own little game, which quite a few of us here do.
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| 1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands. |
Anyone trying a game like this will have it debunked within a few posts.
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| 2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action. |
And again, this forum is self correcting.
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| 3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me. |
None of us need more money. We have zero motivation to fleece visitors to our little corner of the forums.
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| 4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it. |
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I hate to break it to you, but AF has very much been here before, and used to be quite active, though generally in a contrarian manner to many posters here (not meant in the investment context use of that word).
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Originally Posted by Mr_Enigma
So, welcome to the market forums, since you have obviously never been here before!
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Uber
Apparently, AF has been away from posting here so he could spend time marinating in the broth of his own vitrol.
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Clearly this is your first time in this forum. If you had ever spent any time here you would know how overwhelmingly helpful the folks here are to anyone who wants advice on how to get rich. If you had spent any time here you would not even consider posting such accusatory, obnoxious statements. If you had spent any time here you would have taken the plentiful advice, made a load of influence, and bought any and all items you ever wanted. If you had ever spent any time here you would be giving a post such as yours the mockery and derision it so rightly deserves
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Looks over storage bin with 60 purples two purpled out toons and about 6 billion in liquid inf, Whatevah
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Goat translations
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It's a forum, a place where people post their opinions and other people respond. If you read this thread in its entirity, you'll have a good idea of where purples stand now and where involved marketeers think they're going. No careful observation needed, just basic literacy.
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Hmmm basic literacy
OP: purples are wonderful now best time EVAH
Others: They were cheaper once upon a time
OP Later: well maybe not as cheap as they once were
PVP IOs work like purples
Purples are going down so is housing (Don't see how these connect does someone live in houses made of purples ?)
Purples are racing to a bottom.
The bottom may not be where you think it is people are making more money.
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Of the above only one has any even a slightest bit of reasoning to it and heres a hint, its not the one comparing purples to the housing market.
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Telling people to read usually works
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None of the regulars here count as "random people". Most of us have been here since I9 and have a lengthy track record of public advice and predictions to be judged by. By and large, if you listen to any of our frequent posters you'll get good advice. And if their advice isn't good, it's sure to be corrected by some of our other frequent posters. As a group, the market forum regs are an excellent wealth-building resource for the average player (notwithstanding our public facade of eeeebil)
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We like ourselves.
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Yes I am.
I play the market as a mini game. Getting expensive stuff for less gives me a thrill. Sure, I have enough inf right now to 'brute force' the build I want for the Goat...but why should I, when I can wait a few more weeks and do it for much less?
My fire/rad had a couple of purple sets in base storage which I was too lazy to respec in. I picked them up for cheap quite a while back. When prices spiked during the MA frenzy, I dug them out and sold them for a truly ridiculous markup. I'm going to buy them back at some point in the future, likely for more than I paid originally but for vastly less than what I got for them.
That's fun for me. That's fun for anyone who approaches the market as its own little game, which quite a few of us here do.
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I really am Smeagol
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Again, the nature of this forum is self correcting.
Anyone trying a game like this will have it debunked within a few posts.
Who's said that?
And again, this forum is self correcting.
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Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth
62398 to go.
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Most of the regulars here are altruists who want everyone to make big piles of inf. Your motives may be as described in this post, but all us long time regs are here to help people with good advice.
None of us need more money. We have zero motivation to fleece visitors to our little corner of the forums.
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We like to have people playing our mini game because it validates our playstyles, its also fun to watch the less experienced try to do as well.
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And an aside my explicit advice was to enjoy your inf and use it in a manner that best enhances your current enjoymnet of the game. If that is trying to fleece people well its trying to fleece them into having as much fun as possible in the game.
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I thought he smelled familiar!|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I hate to break it to you, but AF has very much been here before, and used to be quite active, though generally in a contrarian manner to many posters here (not meant in the investment context use of that word).
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It's a pity the new forums didn't import our ignore lists along with the rest of the info...ah well, I only wasted one reply.
Maybe eryq will roll out another sleeping bag under his bridge for AC.
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As always, obvious troll is obvious.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
LOL I read this thread and had to think that there was a pump and dump scheme someplace that was short a few players.
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I'm curious how the PvP recipes are obtained and how often they are obtained. Paragon wiki only indicates that it comes from PvP combat. Do these recipes only drop in PvP combat or also in PvE combat in PvP zones? And what is their drop rate like, relative to the normal PvE recipes (i.e., same as the very rare purple recipes?). From your comment, it sounds like they are much more difficult to obtain than they used to be.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
Yep.
There's a reason everyone is happy to buy level 50 ones, and why (back when you could farm for them), people farmed them at L50 and not, say, L28. |
(Edited to add: I should have looked further down the forum list (and in the PvP forum)... there are a few threads that at least partly answers this question, doh! From what I read, I see now what you mean about 'back when', before the changes in the drops).
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Price caps ?|
Originally Posted by RagManX
I've been doing it wrong. Other than my sarcasm loaded responses to the whiners, I've tried to actually help people who ask for help in the forums. I'll stop that and try being more deceptive from now on.
RagManX |
*ducks*
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Originally Posted by perwira
I'm curious how the PvP recipes are obtained and how often they are obtained. Paragon wiki only indicates that it comes from PvP combat. Do these recipes only drop in PvP combat or also in PvE combat in PvP zones? And what is their drop rate like, relative to the normal PvE recipes (i.e., same as the very rare purple recipes?). From your comment, it sounds like they are much more difficult to obtain than they used to be.
(Edited to add: I should have looked further down the forum list (and in the PvP forum)... there are a few threads that at least partly answers this question, doh! From what I read, I see now what you mean about 'back when', before the changes in the drops). |
The drop from any PvP combat. Zone, arena and presumably base if it comes comes back
The basic situation is that any kill that could earn you rep has a roughly 1% chance of dropping a PvP IO, after that kill then the player cannot drop from you or your team mates for 5 mins.
(Arena has a sort of phantom rep tracking just for this purpose, no real rep is awarded)
When they very first came out any kill worked, so you had people afk farming in arenas, and a huge mass of 'target dummies' from 2nd accounts in certain PvP zones, notably Bloody bay where they could buy and pop awakens.
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Further translation: I don't play well with others. |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Here are some translations from market speak to English.
1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands. 2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action. 3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me. 4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it. |
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How wonderfully vague. I wonder if you have any more "sagely advice" for us? If you do, dont forget to add that if someone enjoys the game in a different way than you do, theyre doing it wrong.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
And an aside my explicit advice was to enjoy your inf and use it in a manner that best enhances your current enjoymnet of the game.
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"And I swear to effing god, that community is .01% nethergoat-level smart and 99.99% completely fascinating varieties of turd-licking idiots" -Talen Lee
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Sorry, I always forget how tone is so poorly conveyed through a text medium. Believe me, my post was NOT serious. I was trying, as politely as possible to suggest to AF that calling us conniving and dishonest was: |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I hate to break it to you, but AF has very much been here before, and used to be quite active, though generally in a contrarian manner to many posters here (not meant in the investment context use of that word).
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- Terribly, hilariously, galactically wrong
- Pretty paranoid
- Fairly ***holish.
There really does need to be a sarcasm font...
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