Scapper better than Stalker in PVP?

I'm trying to roll my second Crit based char now that my NW was taken behind the shed and forcefully violated by Castle.
So I'm hearing Scraps are better than Stalks at PvP, why is that?? Apart from the OP /regen set on Scraps, Stalks seems like they have more damage and can set up guaranteed crits as well as Ambush for big front load damage. So why is Scraps considered better at PvP?

Scraps have far better survivability and damage. Stalkers are one of the lowest damage ats in pvp outside of hide and have really low hp for a mostly melee toon.

I don't agree with that statement. My stalker has put down some heavy toons. Its all in how the stalker plays. Can they stand toe to toe and fight prolly not. I like stalkers becasue there fun. We dish our dmg and leave. People get mad but oh well its all we have cause we can't fight toe to toe it would be impossible i say if you role a stalker go all out DMG DMG DMG DMG you always have hibernate or more important phase to save yourself and get out of there. This has made me almost unbeatable in RV on guardian server and my pvp rep is high. Its all in how you play the toon and how you want to play.

Hoo-yaah villians

Given that you just recently returned to the game, is your experience with a Stalker from before I13, or within the last few days? I'm going to assume it was before I13 because Stalkers are pretty much a joke when solo now.

I'm in complete agreement about using AS, however seeing things like this makes me wonder why I even bother. :P

http://boards.cityofheroes.com//showthread.php?t=194925

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Originally Posted by Antigonus And yet I keep seeing new ones... Why do people even play Stalkers now when Doms and Corrs are soooooooo much better? And to all the people that insist on playing Stalkers, learn to AS. Seriously, the Impale spam is not effective it's just annoying and demonstrates your lack of skill.

Unfortunately, a group of two or three Stalkers all spiking a target with Spirit Shark from hide can hurt a lot. Go figure that the bad Stalkers are more of a threat at range than in melee...

Wow i like this guy lol. Like I said before Stalkers are still around. My VG loves to have me in RV. I get buffed like a freaken Brute and just run through everything. My toon is finnaly IO'd completely from the help of my Villian Group (Devils Own) and even soloing i still make an impact. Nrg/SR works wonders. All my focus went into my DMG and its crazy with 4 sets of Mako's Bite. Plus Hecatombs in my A.S.. And 3 full sets of Redfortunes and a set of LOG have had some sick results. For the first time ever as a stalker I 3 shot a Regen Scrapper

1) Build UP
2) As
3) Total Focus
4) Energy Transfer

And it was done. I went right through his moment of glory. It was amazing. He then sent me a tell saying that was sick. He didn't even have time to react because of the stun that smacked him in between total focus and energy transfer.

I agree with most of you its how you play your toon. I personally beleive that any toon can be great and powerful if you know what your doing. It takes time and (Inf lol) to learn your toon. It takes months or weeks of time of getting your butt handed to you to figure out what needs to be fixed. Are stalkers powerful Heck yeah but all stalkers will agree with me when i say its ALL WE HAVE. Outside hide were open targets. The only thing that drives me up the wall are inexp. PvPers who die by a stalker and SPAM there hearts away on how unfair it is. At least we still have Heroes/Villians who die with dignity.

Scrappers generally aren't as heavily targeted as say Blasters or Fenders... people will see a squishy and drool as its their chance to get a kill... So being a Scrapper you can usually assume you will be one of the last to die on your team... They can deal nice damage at times, and sometimes they can just be a distraction... yeah a BU crit on a scrapper rocks, but can't always guarentee that, and unless your FCing then you only get a few good shots in...

A good stalker should never die, not because it is a l33t AT, but because they can pick their own fights... This is the reason many people think stalkers are OPd, they simply just enter the fights where they are fairly sure they will come out on top... Stalkers solo aren't that good, if you're always ready to be hit by a stalker, you take away one of their biggest weapons.

So really they are both better than each other in certain circumstances, you can bet you will get a lot of kills on a stalker if you are in a team... Scrappers with webnade and decent damage help the team a lot also in killing and disruption, but you wont pull a kill count that a stalker would.

Solo, well putting them head to head, the Scrapper has a better chance at surviving, but usually I would put it down to a stalemate... most stalkers simply annoy scrappers 1v1, but the Stalker shouldn't be killed unless it hangs around to be killed or sits their dancing in front of the scrapper.

Feugan nicely put and for the other two that think i'm not serious bring a toon on Guardian anytime and i'll prove it to you. Just like stated above STALKERS PICK THERE BATTLES!!!! I don't die because i'm not DUMB. I phase i run and i poke and i prode. I play like a villians if your attacking Pill Boxes and your health is below half you bet i'm coming for you hence the phrase assassin or STALKER. Its open pvp your in the zone you see the timer its all fair. And mac i'm no noob i've been playiing the game since it came out. I brooke off a little after issue 4 when my account was stolen. Then came back right before issue 7 then left at i13 cause i joined the service. SO i've been around the block to. I'm caught up now on everything and my stalker has been rebuilt to face the new Challanges of pvp. If you want to be apart of that challange come on over to Guardian we can film it if you like!!! Over and out.

Thanks again Feugan.

As far as arena goes stalker > scrapper. And there is one thing that stalkers have that no other archetype in the game has. Unresisted dmg (AS). Other then that Feugan pretty much explained it pretty damn good.

It's not that complicated.

Stalkers are generally better in team PvP. Scrappers are generally better solo.

A stalker doesn't really do much damage out of hide, making it near impossible to effectively follow up your own AS on a target (unless that target is AFK/retarded/sooperterribad/an NPC). Thus, Stalkers are more effective in the team setting, where teammates can follow up the Stalker's AS.

That's not to say that Scrappers are useless in team settings, as they do have taunts, and are pretty survivable. Taunt considered, however, Tankers are more effective.

A Regen Scrapper can be unkillable in a 1v1 duel - don't expect to get many kills yourself though. While you won't get "many" kills on competent players with solo Scrappers, it's unlikely that you will get "any" kills on competent players while on a solo-stalker.

Good thing there are very few competent players who still play this game, and even fewer who still PvP in it.