Negativity police are after me! Help!
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Posted on: 2009-09-26 12:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I am in complete agreement here.
| Another thing, if the justice you bring is agreed upon only by you, yourself and no-one but you, you're probably just being a bully |
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I beg to differ Sam. Having an opinion of your own against constant barrage from others is already enough to stand up to a bully. You don't stand up to a bully by actually causing it bodily harm or forcing it to stop bullying you by physically hurting them.
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm not strong enough to stand up to bullies. I never have been. Nor, for that matter, do I believe it is a good lesson for people that the only way for them to be safe is to take up arms and fight all the time. This is a terrible, horrible view of the world, and quite frankly, a view I couldn't survive day-to-day if I had.
To stop most bullies, you have to show them that being bullied is not going to get the bully his/her way. Sometimes, if you go beyond that, you may even live to regret it...
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That last one, however, I can't disagree with enough, LX. I have stopped bullies from bullying myself through violence. I have stopped them from bullying others through violence.
Sometimes, violence is the Only language a person will understand.
You can't reason with a rabid dog. You have to put it down so that it can't harm anyone else.
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Those people that are judges, police-persons, court officials and every other law enforcement type, are ordinary people. They have their own ideas of what justice is. Granted, some of them attempt to abide by a standard of ethics when it comes to applying justice, but I've seen others too fearful of criticism (not reprisals, but criticism) to actually deal out justice where it should be placed. | I don't agree with letting people be judge, jury and executioner, because I don't trust people in general to make the right call. In fact, I agree with having law enforcement taken OUT of the hands of ordinary people. |
So, in the cyclist incident, my action would have been to not move at all, except to brace myself for a collision. If I get hurt in the process, so be it.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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They are allowed to exercise that power. It's just different people exercising it. The guy with the most money trumps the guy with the biggest gun. It's easy to condemn vigilante justice if you assume the justice system will actually do justice. I'm not that idealistic.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I don't agree with letting people be judge, jury and executioner, because I don't trust people in general to make the right call. In fact, I agree with having law enforcement taken OUT of the hands of ordinary people. This is not the Wild West where everyone carries a gun and only those who can shoot the fastest or have the most followers are right. It's easy to support vigilante justice if you assume empowered people will only do good and justice. That isn't the case. In fact, I guarantee you that empowering people to pass down their own justice will see a resurgence of all the old hatreds we like to think we've forgotten. They still exist, and the only reason people don't enact them is because they aren't allowed to exercise that power.
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I'm far more trusting of the motives and values of a guy who stands up to a single bully on someone else's behalf than of the guy who "stands up" to all bullies everywhere on national television surrounded by bullies of his own.
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And another thing - I never advocated ignoring things because "they're not my problem." I advocate ignoring things because they are not a SERIOUS problem. "What-ifs" aside, I was witness to a drama scene on a bus a couple of moths ago, when a girl was asked to remove her foot off a floor plate, it's difficult to explain, exactly. Except she made a BIG problem out of it as to how DARE they tell her to do that when other people are doing it and the bus isn't clean otherwise so why is this important and so on and so forth. At some level, she might have even been right, but it doesn't change the fact that she was asked to do a simple thing, and she turned it into an epic. I've been yelled at by people for very simple mistakes, myself, and somehow they never seem to accept "Oops! I didn't mean to!" It is not my place to drive culture and courtesy into the heads of strangers, specifically since I'm more than positive my view of culture and courtesy isn't exactly objective. Unless is becomes a real problem, elbowing people in the chest over it is the worst case of tempest in a teapot I can think of without going into extraordinary events. |
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| Here's a good example of why I'm afraid of this. This is from a couple of years ago, and demonstrates the absurd idea some drivers have of how people should drive. I came into the left, fast lane of a main road, but wasn't moving very fast because I was looking to make a U turn in about 100-200 feet, but some guy with a fast car was riding my bumper, honking a lot. Never you mind I was at the speed limit, because I was in the left lane, I was expected to floor it. Typically I just ignore angry drivers, but this guy speeds up, passes me from the right, reaches out of his window and slaps my right side mirror closed. I'm fairly sure that if we'd both stopped, he'd have pulled out a baseball bat and smashed my windshield. All of that because drivers in my country are idiots and believe that speed limits don't apply to them. This kind of behaviour is something I want to DISCOURAGE as much as I can. |
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I'm locking this thread for obvious reasons. Couple of comments though:
@Razoras: Sarcasm, especially that of an extreme kind, does not work well on the internet. If you are going to use it, please make it explicit. I.E. state "the above is sarcasm."
@Eisregen_NA: Perhaps saying something, along with refusing to move from her path would have gotten your point across better. Assuming that changing her behavior and not physically harming someone was your motive.
@Everyone who feels that the anecdote in question was not misogynistic:
The use of the expletive that is commonly either reserved for women or for men perceived as not acting in a masculine manner is what gives the story a misogynistic tone. Tell the same story replacing all gender identifying information and derogatory terms for woman with cyclist and suddenly those complaints go away.
Word choice can be something that was poorly done from habit, or it can be revealing to underlying assumptions and beliefs about gender roles in society. I will not attempt to determine which it was in this case however it is something to think about, especially when communicating in a written form with people who don't know you. And while the argument can be made that others' opinion is not important, forethought does aid in communication.
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I'll stick with the third choice. I find the other two choices distasteful.
For someone you would be no one but a victim, for someone you are an abuser and justice? Well that'll be subjective.
Who are we to judge?
One can live in ones own world, may as well as we so often do anyway.
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