Going Rogue and AT titles

I hadn't viewed any recent threads on this issue. I know its been brought up in past, but with Going Rogue becoming a distance reality I feel has more of a point than back when it was first brought up at the notion of swapping sides.

So from a comic book stand point characters often change costumes and names when they change allegiance. Like Jedi are called Sith, Paladins become death knights, and Phoenix become know as the dark phoenix. In game Nictus and Warshades are connected the same way. So if the same train of thought were applied to CoX, what titled would they give archetypes? I mean be alittle odd for a corruptor to be a heroes title as few names dont swap sides well. Id taken a stab at it, but I figure anyone else can fill in some as well since GR will be some time away and may be some of the suggestions get in if they go this route. I figured for clarity and theme they d have a clear cut name difference to show someone had moved between sides then.


Archetypes- > rogue side

- Heroes-
Tanker-> Berserker
Scrapper-> Slayer
Blaster-> Destroyer
Defender-> Persecutor
Controller-> Oppressor

- Epic Archetypes -
Peacebringer -> Chaosbringer
Warshade -> Nictus

-Villains-
Brute-> Brick
Stalker -> Tracker
Corruptor -> Purifier
Dominator -> Liberator
Mastermind -> Tactician

Epic Villains
Soldier ->
Widow->


When came to villains I figured the epic archtypes name probably change with whatever the name of arachnos does to the praetorian side since those two are so tightly connected. Was hard come up with a solid name that worked with it.

Anyways I posted what came to mind ,I figured I'd see what others think of the idea, and what names they d run if they thought was a cool direction. May be you hate it, or just have something you think sounds infinitely cooler for a side swapped AT. All are welcome answers to the discussion.

I'm not sure I agree this is even needed. The villain names are kind of evil-ish, I agree, but the hero names are NOT heroic in the slightest. They are utilitarian, named after what the character does. Blasters blast, Scrappers scrap, Tankers are tough, etc. An evil version of a Blaster would still be a Blaster, because both good and evil Blasters blast. Hell, you have the Arachnobot Blaster lieutenant in the Arachnos arsenal.

I was never a fan of the "heroic name vs. villainous name" conversions, because a lot of the heroic concepts are NOT heroic, but rather generic. Did we REALLY need EEEEEEVIL "infamy" when "influence" would have worked just as well? And it STILL bugs me that people keep saying "villain group" as the evil counterpart to "super group," despite the fact that SUPER villains are just as super as SUPER heroes. No-one ever seems to mistakenly say "hero group," though, unless they mean Longbow or the Legacy Chain.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Defender one hero side name definitely sounds like a hero name. (to fact its name of the main hero in champions online heh.) Nictus and warshades are perfect example of this happening in game as they re reformed Nictus. So not like this concept isnt already in place in the game. Just matter of continuing it in a consistent manner for rest.

In fact all your examples of things you don't care for are even more examples of the game making a clear distinction between sides. Theres lackeys/sidekicks, strike force and taskforce, the overwhelming majority of the game has a different name for everything between sides. Even the badges the player has are different. For swapped ATs not to actually be a huge inconsistency.

I dont think a name change would be needed mainly cause it would probley confuse alot of ppl with all the diffrent names

Here's my crack at it. Obviously, the AT's need names that are the exact opposite of what they are:

-Heroes-
Tanker-> Banker
Scrapper-> Conscientious Objector
Blaster-> Useful
Defender-> Prosecutor
Controller-> Butler

- Epic Archetypes -
Peacebringer -> EEEVILbringer
Warshade -> Peaceshade

-Villains-
Brute-> Bicycle
Stalker -> Profiler
Corruptor -> Soap
Dominator -> Submisser
Mastermind -> Amateurliver

Epic Villains
Soldier -> Civilian
Widow-> Married Person

Before people go crazy, my main character is a Blaster (my first 50 and still my favorite).

Players won't just be good or evil, they will also be in between per Matt's (Positron) interview on tentonhammer.

I don't think having 3 different names for each AT depending on where they are in the alignment move makes a lot of sense and it certainly will just be a source of confusion.

Point of order: Paladins-turned-evil become blackguards, not death knights. Death knights are undead monsters.

I'm with Sam on this one, honestly, but I do like "Oppressor" as an evil counterpart to "Controller" (not that "Controller" is at all heroic). It's probably what Dominators should've been called. Then maybe they wouldn't all feel obligated to dress up in the bondage gimp costumes and come around asking when Whip Assault will be available.

Villainside, the only ATs I *strongly* think need to undergo a Name Change when switching is Corruptors and Dominators. These are the most 'ebil' sounding names and a Hero using them is just weird. Masterminds are close, but doable. Brute and Stalker doesn't sound any more evil than Scrapper does.

SoA are interesting, but we seem them as Widows and Soldiers, which remains basically neutral. Maybe they could become Longbow (but what to do about those backpacks then...). Nah, Longbow should be it's own Epic AT to balance the SoAs.

Heroside, Peacebringers probably should undergo a name change. 'Stormbringer' is copyrighted, isn't it? Warshades should be called Nictus, since that's already in game. Defenders seem sorta heroic, but really you're 'defending' your teamates mostly - bad guys can do that.

I understand theres going be the neutral phase as well, but Id imagine they d just leave so you d be tagged as whatever side you were on last. Not like they're going rename all badges for neutral titles either.(pictures it.. You've unlocked middle of the roader, perfect balance and equalizer...) In anycase its nice see feedback of sorts, besides the gag post.