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I figured that's what you were trying Scooter, you're not the pushy type in here.
And I thought is was call a *clears throat* Camel Toe
An all time classic! Thank you for re-surfacing that in my brain!
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WOW!!! She looks beautiful!! Thank you, Scootz!!!
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So picture this a; Miss Impossible has been fighting a Freakshow all afternoon in an alley and one of the Tank Swipers, trying to get away, grabs the nearest thing he can, in this case and old barrel and throws it across the street and into the playground of a daycare where a little girl happens to be playing.
The Important Things.
Miss Impossible belongs to Maynia from the CoH forums
The Freakshow Tank Swiper belonngs to NCsoft and Paragon studios
Little Susie is mine.
Guess what Miss Impossible did with that barrel?
Guess what colors Little Susie wore the next day.
Maynia PM me with your email if you want the full size.
That is an interesting piece o' artz, Scootz! I likes eet!
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Definitely seeing improvement in your art...
My main issue with this piece is that you shouldn't need to explain what someone is looking at, they should be able to see the story for themselves.
If one pauses to look at this whole piece I do think they can tell what the story is but at first glance it seems as if Miss Impossible is bringing the barrel down upon the little kid. I think the best way to tell this story in picture would be to have Miss Impossible in more of a blocking or deflecting pose in regards to the barrel rather than catching... Because this catching pose almost looks like a holding/bringing down on top the kids head pose...
As for the background, it may have been hurried but I think it works fine with this piece. Definitely better than none at all. I also like how it's almost out of focus but I think the Freakshow should have been more clear so he stood out, which while maybe not technically correct (he's in background so if it's blurry/out of focus so should he be) but it would help tell the story better since he'd be noticeable a lot quicker.
The reason for the little story was because the picture in my head her catching the barrel at the last second.
Upon finishing it did look like she was the one smashing the little kid with it.
Technically the Freak is out of focus and less out of focus then the buildings.
I originally had him with full detail but looks out of place.
Not bad Scooter.
Overall:
For me what I liked is the color and some of the little details you put in.
The mesh on the fence and the depth of field blur (may need some tweaking so it's more gradual) are nice touches.
I also like that I can clearly recognize the costume pieces like the belt, the boots and the chest emblem from the CC.
The Pose:
Here is where it breaks down somewhat in my opinion. It does not look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to
strike the child with the barrel because it is behind her head and she doesn't have a good hold of it...
however what I do see when I stand back and look at the piece is Professional Female Body Building Tournament.
Her pose is a half split, double bicep front, with leg extended
which is a classic pose used during competitions... it's essentially this.
Everything right down to the finger splaying
reads as "posedown in progress" rather
than "defend child from a hurled object."
While female bodybuilding can be a good source for reference pics of strong women
you shouldn't copy the poses exactly or it will show. Don't shy away from changing
stuff up a bit to make it better fit the look you are trying to achieve.
I would think unless Ms. Impossible was supremely confident she could
deflect the barrel without even seeing it coming that she would be facing
the threat she is intending to stop instead of facing the child.
That would put her back to us and would read as more protective since she
would also appear to be "defending the viewer" from the incoming object as well.
Also you could get some really nice dramatic effect by casting the shadow
of the incoming barrel across the little girl to show it would indeed
strike her were it not for the save from Ms. Impossible.
All around a good effort, keep at it Scooter.
P.S. I agree with Caemgen on the story bit. You will know you're onto something
good when your images "read" correctly to people with little or no input from you.
Not bad Scooter. Overall: For me what I liked is the color and some of the little details you put in. The mesh on the fence and the depth of field blur (may need some tweaking so it's more gradual) are nice touches. I also like that I can clearly recognize the costume pieces like the belt, the boots and the chest emblem from the CC. |
Thanks I will freely admit I rushed the back ground. I got done with the figures and thought it needed more.
The Pose: Here is where it breaks down somewhat in my opinion. It does not look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to strike the child with the barrel because it is behind her head and she doesn't have a good hold of it.. |
1. the barrel isn't even to Miss Impossible (MI) yet, infact it's still in motion.
however what I do see when I stand back and look at the piece is Professional Female Body Building Tournament. Her pose is a half split, double bicep front, with leg extended which is a classic pose used during competitions... it's essentially this. Everything right down to the finger splaying |
I do alot of acting out different positions of the stuff I draw. So before pen touched tablet I was out in the back yard trying to find a really dramtic pose that looks like it's not posed but in motion. which leads me to
3.the hands along with the body pose I tried to figure out what my hand would like if I were to throw my arms to catch something behind my head after just landing on the ground. my hands looked similar to that in the mirror.
While female bodybuilding can be a good source for reference pics of strong women you shouldn't copy the poses exactly or it will show. Don't shy away from changing stuff up a bit to make it better fit the look you are trying to achieve. |
I would think unless Ms. Impossible was supremely confident she could deflect the barrel without even seeing it coming that she would be facing the threat she is intending to stop instead of facing the child. |
MI was fighting a large group of freaks in a back alley. before she can subdue one of the Swiper Tanks he takes off out of the alley hang a sharp right and starts to run down the street. MI dropps the last one still in the alley and starts to pursue the runaway, who is about 100-150 yards ahead of her, yelling after him to stop or he will just go to jail tired and broken. This genius not wanting to get caught grabs a barrel and delibrately hucks at the daycare to distract MI. She turns on the juice and intercepts the barrel before it hits a little girl.
What you see is MI entering the frame from our right moving at high speed to catch the barrel. I chose to have her catch it versus hitting it out of the way to prevent it from hitting anyone or anything else.
6.I'd love someone to redline it so it still has a sense of motion and a body position that doesn't (unintentionally) looks like a body builder pose.
That would put her back to us and would read as more protective since she would also appear to be "defending the viewer" from the incoming object as well. Also you could get some really nice dramatic effect by casting the shadow of the incoming barrel across the little girl to show it would indeed strike her were it not for the save from Ms. Impossible. |
All around a good effort, keep at it Scooter. |
Again thank you.
P.S. I agree with Caemgen on the story bit. You will know you're onto something good when your images "read" correctly to people with little or no input from you. |
Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
The Pose:
Here is where it breaks down somewhat in my opinion. It does not look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to strike the child with the barrel because it is behind her head and she doesn't have a good hold of it.. |
Stop right there for a second.
1. the barrel isn't even to Miss Impossible (MI) yet, infact it's still in motion. |
You've got it backwards... read what I am actually saying... not what you think I am saying.
"It does --> not <-- look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to strike the child with the barrel"
Originally Posted by Christopher Robin
...however what I do see when I stand back and look at the piece is Professional Female Body Building Tournament.
Her pose is a half split, double bicep front, with leg extended which is a classic pose used during competitions... it's essentially this. |
Originally Posted by Scootertwo
2. I hadn't even seen anything like that. Or if I did i don't remember it. so assuming that I did is your mistake not mine.
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Ok Scooter I will say it as plainly as I can. I am assuming nothing here, I am telling you what I see when I look at your piece which is not limited by your knowledge of bodybuilding (or lack thereof), and I am making no mistake.
That is a competitive flexing pose whether you intend it to be or not.
Look at it for a minute. The lead leg is bent at a severe angle with the knee over extended way beyond the foot that is supporting it (up on the toes no less) and the trailing leg is elongated with the knee completely locked so it cannot move.
This is definitely NOT a "turned on the juice" pose indicating speed. You have to very slowly lower yourself into this position and hold your balance while you flex and then either rise back up slowly or, more easily, continue down to the floor and go into the rest of your ground routine.
While this position does give good lateral (side to side) stability any little bump from the front or behind (much less a barrel) and you will fall... try it out if you are unsure.
Having your joints locked or over extended makes for a terrible defensive position but it's great for showing muscle separation to the judges. See what I am saying?
Look, in my opinion, you have been given some excellent advice and good critiques by some very talented people both on here and DA, you should go back and read them all 5x (even if it is unpleasant to you) and really absorb what they are saying... then study your pieces and ask "are they right?"
By not taking the time to correctly read and understand their words I think honestly you are the one making the mistake my friend.
Cheers.
P.S. If you are not ready for or do not wish any more con/crit it's cool just let me know in a PM.
Okay out of courtesy I didn't cut snippets of your post out to highlight what I was commeting on but I guess I'm going to have to.
she doesn't have a good hold of it.. |
You aren't the only one who can have OCR.
That is a competitive flexing pose whether you intend it to be or not. |
Then I wonder what the girl in the bottom of this pic looked like just moments after the photo was taken.
or this guy
Now imagine the ball is more to his right and he has to shift his weight that direction to catch the ball. They aren't the same exact pose but close enough to shoot holes in your theory.
Look at it for a minute. The lead leg is bent at a severe angle with the knee over extended way beyond the foot that is supporting it (up on the toes no less) and the trailing leg is elongated with the knee completely locked so it cannot move. |
This is definitely NOT a "turned on the juice" pose indicating speed. That is a competitive flexing pose whether you intend it to be or not. |
In your opinion, I'm not saying it doesn't look like that, it clearly does. I'm just saying there are other possiblities.
You have to very slowly lower yourself into this position |
No you don't have lower yourself slowly if it's not your intention to stay upright. Trust me as I said I spent time in my back yard attempting to mimic this on my own, I fell over every time.
While this position does give good lateral (side to side) stability any little bump from the front or behind (much less a barrel) and you will fall... try it out if you are unsure. |
Look, in my opinion, |
Smartest thing you said in your critique.
you have been given some excellent advice and good critiques by some very talented people both on here and DA, you should go back and read them all 5x |
I have, I even have them committed to memory
(even if it is unpleasant to you) |
I appreciate technical critiques and they are not meant personally
and really absorb what they are saying... then study your pieces and ask "are they right?" |
By not taking the time to correctly read and understand their words I think honestly you are the one making the mistake my friend. |
Just as I expect and want to get critiques on anything I do, as a critiquer(?) you should expect your critiques to be critiqued.
I appreciate the constructive criticism from a technical stand point. Maybe it would have been received better if you had said:
"It looks likes she's doing a body building pose." (image of bodybuilder)
"If you don't want it to look like that maybe change the angles of her legs like this."
(image with red lines over it with the changes you would do.)
Approach determines response.
I look forward reading more critiques from you, in fact from other artists as well. Clutch PM'd me a website that does just that I think might go check it out.
~*~VexXxa~*~
The City Scoop Art Correspondent/Writer "ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER"//"Don't hate because VexXxa is HOT and you're NOT." - JOHNNYKAT
~*~VexXxa~*~
The City Scoop Art Correspondent/Writer "ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER"//"Don't hate because VexXxa is HOT and you're NOT." - JOHNNYKAT
~*~VexXxa~*~
The City Scoop Art Correspondent/Writer "ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER"//"Don't hate because VexXxa is HOT and you're NOT." - JOHNNYKAT
Okay out of courtesy I didn't cut snippets of your post out to highlight what I was commeting on but I guess I'm going to have to.
How can she have even a bad hold of it when she's not touching it? I wasn't even making a comment about whether or not she was gonna hit the girl. |
The two statements are not mutually exclusive. If I am standing over a barrel with my fingers near it but not touching it then it can be truthfully said that I don't have a good handle on it.
But what I was talking about was it appears to me that you were contesting something where I had just agreed with you. Like you might've missed the "not" in the sentence.
Lol it depends on how you define it... Obvious to Christopher Robin can haz only be meh!
Really so there's no way possible that it could be something else.
Then I wonder what the girl in the bottom of this pic looked like just moments after the photo was taken. |
or this guy
Now imagine the ball is more to his right and he has to shift his weight that direction to catch the ball. They aren't the same exact pose but close enough to shoot holes in your theory. |
Had you used her pose in your piece instead I would not have "read" body building at all.
Same with the ball player. Low center of gravity, not flexing, clearly facing the object propelled at him etc etc.
I never said that MI didn't fall over after the catch...the point was she made the catch, protecting the little girl.
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In your opinion, I'm not saying it doesn't look like that, it clearly does. I'm just saying there are other possiblities.
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No you don't have lower yourself slowly if it's not your intention to stay upright. Trust me as I said I spent time in my back yard attempting to mimic this on my own, I fell over every time.
[COLOR=orange][B][SIZE=3][FONT=Palatino Linotype] See above comments about falling over. |
Smartest thing you said in your critique.
I have, I even have them committed to memory I appreciate technical critiques and they are not meant personallyI do on a regular basis. Honestly, now that you pointed it out I can't not see the body building pose. |
If you have then great and kudos if you actually are trying out poses in your backyard that shows some dedication... who did you get to hurl the barrels at you though?
Yeah, that is how it was for me when I first looked at your piece it was so clear that I couldn't "not see it."... others may miss it but it was OCR
Just as I expect and want to get critiques on anything I do, as a critiquer(?) you should expect your critiques to be critiqued.
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I appreciate the constructive criticism from a technical stand point. Maybe it would have been received better if you had said:
"It looks likes she's doing a body building pose." (image of bodybuilder) "If you don't want it to look like that maybe change the angles of her legs like this." |
It's takes enough time as it is to really study a piece and give meaningful con/crit... if I had to go through and think how each individual artist would like me to couch my phrases when addressing them I wouldn't even bother...
My critique (as it reads to me) encompasses the piece as a whole, addresses specific details, is positive in tone, tells what I liked about the piece as well as what I didn't (both sides), is constructive (I gave several suggestions in how it might be improved), is carefully worded as it is, has picture references to back up what I am saying and it ended on a positive note of encouragement.
You see it differently that's fine by me *shrug* no hard feelings, I will spend my time elsewhere.
I have too many requests as it is. :-/
(image with red lines over it with the changes you would do.)
Approach determines response. I look forward reading more critiques from you, in fact from other artists as well. Clutch PM'd me a website that does just that I think might go check it out. |
(...and it's not often we can use anatomical Latin jargon like the [sympysis] pubis. )
However, I do apologize if you feel thread jacked.
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