What's Sucked the Life from this Thread?


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I agree that posting multi-page expositions of your own work is nothing but hubris, and commentary/response is likely to be light (and should be).
Hubris? Moi?

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But it does look like the pace of reviewing is slowing down across the board. I think everyone is getting the feeling that we're shoveling sand against the tide and taking a boatload of grief for doing it.

Since my 'reviews' tend to be not that critical, I don't seem to get much grief, thankfully. It's mostly RL that's slowed me down.

Eco.


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[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

 

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Unfortunately for those fans of his thread, TerminusEst13 ditched us all for Champions.
Noooooooooooooo!!!

Any word on whether Scientist 16 or Bittplayer will be picking it up?


 

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lol champions


 

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Originally Posted by airhead View Post
Probably. This forum could be irrelevant. Looking at the DC arcs I could connect to the forum:

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Paying your dues since 2004 may be far more important than anything you do on the forum.
Nope. A LOT of arcs got DCed in closed beta and were already there when open beta started. Very few got added during open beta and far as I can tell none of those were transferred over when i14 went live. At the time they were supposed to be testing the DC feature for bugs and as such pohsyb was handing them out to closed beta testers like candy. Remember the uproar that started in open beta when TwoFlower had 7 DC arcs? That incident may be why pohsyb doesn't deal with Dev Choice anymore.

How did pohsyb find out about all those arcs he DC'ed? He went into the Beta Testers channel and just asked for arcs to DC. I don't recall any Devs coming into channels like MA Arc Finders (I've seen pohsyb lurk there and a lot of the reviewers inhabit that channel) and ask anyone to recommend an arc.

Now it's been months since i14 went live and they could only find three arcs "worthy" of Dev Choice during that time? Though now that the associated badge is gone from the game it seems that a lot of people stopped caring about getting it.

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lol champions
That's what I said to him too.


 

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I haven't had time to be nearly as involved as most of you, and doing anything on test or in beta - whether closed or open - simply isn't an option for me. So, basically, what you're telling us Lazarus is that, by all appearances, getting DC has less to do with quality than having the time and inclination to play the "game?" People that have real lives that don't leave 23 hours a day free to play on test and suck up to devs need not apply? At fifty years old, maybe I shouldn't be so naive as to think they'd actually care about finding those most worthy over those most convenient.

If what you say is accurate, it's almost a shame Champions holds no appeal for me. Of course DCO is coming, isn't it?


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Pretty much. I probably would have had an arc DC'ed as well if I hadn't been too busy to come back for Closed Beta. Passing courses on Distillation, Chemical Reactors, Fluid Mechanics, and Physical Chemistry was a much bigger priority.

If it was just a matter of visibility, then you'd think that at least one of the Reviewers would have been offered Dev Choice by now. (DeviousMe aka AcidZero doesn't count as he already had a DC from closed beta long before he did his handful of reviews)


 

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Pretty much. I probably would have had an arc DC'ed as well if I hadn't been too busy to come back for Closed Beta. Passing courses on Distillation, Chemical Reactors, Fluid Mechanics, and Physical Chemistry was a much bigger priority.

If it was just a matter of visibility, then you'd think that at least one of the Reviewers would have been offered Dev Choice by now. (DeviousMe aka AcidZero doesn't count as he already had a DC from closed beta long before he did his handful of reviews)
Color me very disappointed, then. That explains why so many really *good* arcs haven't seen a DC while the majority of the ones that have probably would only get 4 stars in my book. I've played arcs by each of the primary reviewers in this forum, and they all rate better than any of the DCs I've played, as do the majority of the arcs that have been given five star reviews (and in many cases *4 star* reviews) by those same reviewers...

...yeah, VERY disappointing.


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What I find wierd is that there aren't more DC arcs appearing. I've got a proper job, and I've played enough great arcs to have been able to give a DC once a month, easy. I'd have thought the DC awards would be coming at a rate of at least a few every month. How many Devs have the privilige of awarding it?

Eco.


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The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)

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[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

 

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Especially considering the much higher number of devs on staff now, you'd think SOMEONE was still playing the game for fun, and playing AE missions.


 

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My guess was that the chance of getting a DC was improved by how close to canon you wrote, and especially improved if you tried to explain the backstory of AE.
In other words, there's a bit of self-serving promotion going on, not necessarily a reward for creativity.


 

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My guess was that the chance of getting a DC was improved by how close to canon you wrote, and especially improved if you tried to explain the backstory of AE.
In other words, there's a bit of self-serving promotion going on, not necessarily a reward for creativity.

There was also a response from Posi in one of the "why aren't there any new DCs?" threads stating that a few arcs almost made it, but failed to meet some requirement, like not warning about an AV. He then completely failed to tell us what all those requirements were. So who knows, half the people in this forum might have had an arc considered for Dev's Choice at some point, but been rejected because of some little thing that could be easily fixed without detracting from the arc at all.

Or it could be that arcs which incorporate many of the QoL issues we have come to expect (limited defeat alls, short lead-outs, maps only as big as they need to be) are rejected because they don't follow the "spend half an hour fighting through a map to collect one blinky" formula of standard content.


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I still doubt that there's any serious effort to uncover good arcs. Besides the rearguard action to combat farming, the devs have switched gears to working on the Rogue expansion. So there will be xp and ticket nerfs coming in I16, which will further shrink the part of the playerbase that was so excited when AE was shiny and new.

For myself and others, AE refreshed the game for awhile. Now it's become tiresome again. Some players will see I16 as more than just cosmetic. Fairly or unfairly, I bailed on the idea when I found out granite armor can't be colored. A tier 9 signature power for that set...

What's funny is how many recognizable names we're seeing in CO.
Also funny is that I can shrink baddies w/ a reducing ray and "stomp" on 'em. And even though it was a bug, a growth formula temp turned me into the size of a house. Or flying while carrying a truck above my head, then flinging it at a baddie...
Part of it is the novelty, but the sense of fun is there and, lately, not here.


 

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There was also a response from Posi in one of the "why aren't there any new DCs?" threads stating that a few arcs almost made it, but failed to meet some requirement, like not warning about an AV. He then completely failed to tell us what all those requirements were. So who knows, half the people in this forum might have had an arc considered for Dev's Choice at some point, but been rejected because of some little thing that could be easily fixed without detracting from the arc at all.
I think it is just lip service. I would be shocked if more than a handful of random player arcs were played by anyone with the authority to grant DC. The quality of many of the arcs I have played and reviewed in general far exceed 90% of the current DCs.

Hellguard, who has a DC, has mentioned that when his arc DC was played back in Closed Beta he received feedback saying what held it back from being DC'd. He changed that stuff and it was DC'd. This makes sense. Unless the "powers that be" are such jerkwads that if they played an arc that was DC material, but the author missed something minor like missing an AV warning they would just say "tto bad" and move on. I would like to think they would send feedback saying "Add an AV warning and we will DC it".

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One thing that might be a factor, which I noticed when I was poking at this setting and happened to check the 'help' -
Only arcs set to "Final" are eligible/considered for DC.
Do you remember where, exactly, this was? As I noted earlier, many of the current DCs are set to "Work in Progress." I didn't check all of them, but there may also be some "Looking for Feedbacks." It would really be nice, not to mention professional, if the Devs would stop being so secretive about what criteria they use to select DCs.


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Do you remember where, exactly, this was? As I noted earlier, many of the current DCs are set to "Work in Progress."
"Work in Progress" is the default and all arcs were set to that when they added the tag in issue 15. Apparently the Devs didn't bother to set all the DC arcs to "Final" like how they are all permanently 5-starred.


 

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"Work in Progress" is the default and all arcs were set to that when they added the tag in issue 15. Apparently the Devs didn't bother to set all the DC arcs to "Final" like how they are all permanently 5-starred.
Well, I searched the entire help section that applied to MA and couldn't find where it stated that an arc had to be "Final" for it to be considered. That's not saying it's not there... somewhere... but I couldn't find it. Even so, I went ahead and "Finaled" Part 1. That doesn't mean I still won't make adjustments based on constructive feedback, of course, but there's no sense taking chances, I guess. Not that it likely matters, since my bet is that Devs Choices for I16 have probably already been selected, but it never hurts to hope, huh?


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Well, I searched the entire help section that applied to MA and couldn't find where it stated that an arc had to be "Final" for it to be considered. That's not saying it's not there... somewhere... but I couldn't find it. Even so, I went ahead and "Finaled" Part 1. That doesn't mean I still won't make adjustments based on constructive feedback, of course, but there's no sense taking chances, I guess. Not that it likely matters, since my bet is that Devs Choices for I16 have probably already been selected, but it never hurts to hope, huh?
It's not. Dev's choice is entirely dependent on the dev a) finding your arc, b) liking it, c) finding no technical faults with it (Example: surprise AV), and d) feeling up to handing out DC in the first place. It's personal preference, that's all. The devs are only human, so they only have so much time to play arcs, not everything will appeal to them, not all of them have the same definition of technical faults, and not all of them hand out DCs.

Your best bet for catching a DC is to make an arc that appeals to as broad an audience as possible, polish it as well as you can, and spread word of it around as much as possible so you catch a dev's attenion. Even then, only luck will determine if that dev is one that gives out awards.


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My recollection is that it appeared in the text produced by the [?] box above the dropdown to set the level of finality (from WiP to Final).
It does say this in-game. Something like "Only arcs set at Final are eligible for Dev's Choice". Arcs that made the DC list before the advanced tags went live don't seem to count.


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It does say this in-game. Something like "Only arcs set at Final are eligible for Dev's Choice". Arcs that made the DC list before the advanced tags went live don't seem to count.
Ok, I'll bite again... *where* in-game does it state this, so I can either shut up or rant about how they hide information that's rather important in the darkest corners of the game rather than make it simple to find.

Edit: As I noted in another thread, "I found where it says that "Final" is the only status that will be accepted for Dev's Choice. As someone else noted, you'll find it if you click on the "?" next to "Story Arc Status" under "Story Parameters." I still think they should explain more fully in the "Rewards" part of the MA tabs in the help section exactly what's required at minimum to be eligible for Dev's Choice, and maybe even create a stickied thread in this forum, rather than assuming everyone will click every question mark in the MA regardless of how obvious the choices for that field seem."


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"The Consequences of War" - Arcs # 227331 and 241496

 

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I posted this over in the I16 Pruning Thread, should prolly go over here.

I tweaked my arc in response to the "review" I recieved, not that any of it mattered. The kick is I played a bunch of stuff listed for consideration but since then...meh.

Or you could have my experience:

The great unwashed masses (i.e. regular players) were playing my arc, getting 5 star rating average, maybe one or two plays a week. Very cool.

Then I made the mistake thinking the Unwashed Masses were right and asked for it to be "Reviewed" by People Smarter Than the Room* (*for trademark). See it works this way, you have to play thier arc(s) first, often with required positive feedback, read 4-5 stars, and then wait breathlessly while you wait for your review.

Well I got a 2 star review from a Person Smarter Than the Room*, dropping my average to 4 stars resulting in Zero, Zip, Nada, plays since said review. I made the changes that Smarter Than the Room* recommended (AE mechanics were confusing, like spawning certian ambushes) No advice about improving the mechanics or the story flow just things like No AV Final Battle (cuz every story arc Regular content is loaded with EB/AVs every mission), don't like the Boss names (they were themed but not to he/her liking apparently) and weak comments like that.

So...no more effort on my part, to those 15 or so that gave me 4-5 stars, thanks. Still a non-farm quality, level 20-29 arc, soloable for any AT just floating in the "4 star arc limbo/hell" never to be played again cuz it's not on the first 250 pages...BUT Doofus' Boss Farm x900 is there...enjoy. AE meh.

To all those quality authors, thanks for your efforts. I play em and enjoy em. I may comment on difficulty or mechanics but will never "poor" feedback you on an honest effort to write a good story. "Poor" effort gets "poor" reviews.


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Oh, I'll still put effort into my arcs when I get good suggestions. I haven't *ever* made wholesale changes based on everything a reviewer has said, but I've stayed open-minded and, as a result, my arcs are far better for it. I got a two star from the first person that reviewed Part 1, and though I think it was over-critical, looking back I probably could have benefitted from trying to be objective about his critique. Unfortunately, his demeanor was so condescending I flushed everything he said.

The second critique, by Laser Jesus, was only a three, and it wasn't pretty, but it was written in such a way that I was able to remain open-minded about what he said - resulting in changes that contributed to the arc's receiving 4s and 5s from every reviewer since. I have yet to receive a formal critique that didn't result in some change that made my arcs better.

I just keep on remembering what an affair of the heart my arcs have been, and refuse to let poor decisions by the powers-that-be, or the possibility of negative feedback I don't agree with spoil that. The people that count are the ones that "get it." Don't let the rest cause you to throw the baby out with the bath water.


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"The Consequences of War" - Arcs # 227331 and 241496

 

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Something interesting I've noticed at a glance is that review threads tend to get posts and attention but the actual author threads are often ignored, or, at least comparatively. So if a reviewer is busy with real life, it seems like that alone will slow this forum down.