Weave for Fire/Fire ?

My fire/fire tank is about to hit 30, and I am trying to decide if it is worth it to take Weave when I level up next. I have no other defense at present, and don't really have plans to try to get any through IO sets, so would I even notice the 7.5% that I could get from 3-slotted Weave?

I'd reconcider going with Defense on a fire/fire tank my has 44.5% defense and he is as fun if not funner to play then both my granite tank and granite brute

personally I don't think Fire/fire tanks need any +recharge IOs other the ones built into IO sets so no hasten, or Luck of the gambler 7.5s. I've had my fire tank with no hasten and with hasten.

the "big" reason people take weave ..at least for me and others using i.o's is the fact that we dont have any defense type powers in the entire set being all resistance based

now..i can tell you if you planned on trying to soft cap your fire tank which some do. yes you'll want it along with combat jump is a nice 10/12 defense off the top already

the main reason i take it is.is does help with the rares i tend to buy
i.e.

lotg + recharge

shield wall 3% resist pvp unqiue

karma kb i.o

kismet 6% acc

none of these you can have on a fire tank unless you take weave.

also gift of the anicents has some recov bonus's that help in my recov which im tottally addicted to bonus wise

so beyond the 7% defense to get .it has many other features including immob protection

If you want a more resilient tank, Weave is a worthwhile pick. It was noticeable before IOs to pick up Combat Jumping and Weave, so it'll help. Defense let's some of the debuffs you run into miss, as well as damage.

Going for defense above that from IO sets is also worthwhile. A lot more worthwhile than just having Combat Jumping and Weave, I'd say. Your call after that.

I've been wondering if taking Weave or building for defense on a set that has no defense debuff resistance is as worthwhile as it may seem. Sure, you can get decent defense, but if all it takes is one hit from a sword swipe or mini-gun to wipe out a good chunk of your protection - well...

Granted, a Fire/Fire tank won't be getting any mitigation from its secondary (stuns, knockdown, etc.), so any bit of defense will help.

Some encounters, like Cimerorans and Praetorian Robots, will have a lot of defense debuff. But that doesn't mean everything in game will get you like that, either, and any defense is something they have to hit through first. It's why some people go for high Smash/Lethal, I'm sure... the Cims have to hit you first to debuff you, after all.

At any rate, it's a bit more survivability against a lot of def debuffs (running the Cim wall solo, I have gotten lucky and had most of a first volley miss, which helps), and a lot more against anything that doesn't have those debuffs. It's worth getting, and I notice it when Weave is on or off. If anything, it's really worth it on these resist only sets, as it layers your mitigation, upping your survivability. Sure, a Fire/Fire with defense to everything at 22% or even Smash/Lethal at 45% won't be as good as an Invuln at the def cap, but it still adds a lot for a Fire/Fire. And I'm sure most Invulns wish they had a heal up every 20 seconds that you could reliably fire mid-fight. I know I miss it on mine.

ill always take weave on my fire tank....my brother dropped it once...next dat he respec'd back into it.

Fire tank was always a very cookie cutter build as its very squishy without tough, weave and combat jumping but now with IOs you can pick and choose if you need it. Personally, I still have it on my fire / fire tank that I originally made in I-1, just now instead of all hamis he's IO'd out the wazoo.

Adding small amounts of defense to resistance based sets is almost always more worthwhile to adding small amounts of resistance to defense based sets.

If you add 5% across the board resistance, basically one of every twenty attacks that should have hit will miss. This is worthwhile in many situations. If you add 5% resistance, you take 95 damage instead of 100. This is seldom worth the endurance cost.

I'd only probably only bother running it in team situations, but that's where 1 in 20 missing will do you the most good.

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I was playing around with a new build on my lvl 50 fire/fire tank the other day on the test server. I'd originally leveled him without tough/weave and wanted to see how much of a difference having one or both active. (Basically trying to decide what I wanted to do with him on live: go with just tough, or go tough/weave.)

He's got some IO bonus' but he's certainly not IO'd to the hilt. Most of those were done before I ran across Mids or spent time reading the forums. Running just tough he managed much better then without, but adding in weave made an even bigger difference; as was expected. Now I just need to figure out how to fit them into a build I'm happy with.

Adding in weave will make a difference as had been mentioned. Do you need it? No. Does it help? Yes. YMMV

I suppose he might be grabbing acrobatics for a little bit of -hold as well as the -kb from acrobatics. But I agree, tough helps, but tough and weave makes a huge difference in survivability compared to acrobatics.

acro doesnt give any defense so your basically only defense will come from c.j. for about 2/3 %


and if you were at hami and tanked the mitos youll understand that aggro will be a issue with just acro..

Hence getting the -kb IO's that are available to counter that.

so you rather get hit alot harder standing up then down cause you dont want tough and weave...gotcha