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It's pretty simple actually: Conserve Power and Focused Accuracy trump everything else that the other sets get (in general) since they augment Scrapper abilities rather than attempting to replace them (using methods that Scrappers have horrible modifiers for and thereby horrible performance with). LBE and ET are really just set mules for most players. ET is arguably the best AoE of the 3 APP AoEs though, so many AoE farming Scrappers take it for that reason.|
Originally Posted by Prexx
I would like to get more AoE attacks into my DM/SD. It looks like Darkness Mastery has 2, while the others only have 1. The thing is, I never see anyone talking about Darkness Mastery. Almost everyone seems to take Body Master. Why is this (I will admit, shooting lasers out of your eyes is just cool)?
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As to Darkness Mastery having 2 AoEs (Torrent and Teneb Tents), it does... kind of, in the same sense that Weapon Mastery has 2 AoEs (Caltrops and Exploding Shuriken): Torrent is low damage and largely counterproductive to dealing damage because it's loaded with KB. Caltrops is largely low damage (excellent DPA though if you can immob the target) but is largely counterproductive because it scatters enemies.
Interestingly, before we knew about Arcanatime, Darkness Mastery used to be the old standby for the non-weapon sets because Dark Blast was awesome for DPA (re: it used to be used in the same way that Brutes and Stalkers use Gloom).
Still, the APPs for Scrappers are still largely unimportant. The debate as to which is "best" is closer to which is "least mediocre". All three of them are painfully underwhelming (as compared to APP performance for Blasters, Defenders, and Controllers) because they don't really work with what Scrappers do. They give Scrappers little bits of stuff that takes a large degree of to be effective (control and ranged attacks).
I went for ET since I already had CP and FA. It's nice, it works, but the recharge is too slow for what it does.
IOed to the gills it still takes 7.5 seconds to recharge. If it so much as went down to 5 seconds I would consider it good.
*And* it's rather endurance costly.
Still, if you're aiming for a bit more AoE ET will do the trick.
I take the Dark epic on my scraps. I choose Dark because Petrifying Gaze is my tool of choice in the fight against Sappers.
On the majority of my scraps I just get this one power, but my Fire/Fire has gone further into the pool, and uses Tenebrous Tentacles in conjunction with Burn. . . .but . . .
I don't use the combo much. Usually don't even think of it until everything is burned ash 
Might have to respec out of it, and into something I will use more often...hmmm....
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All of that is actually part and parcel of how the APPs are balanced. I can't remember the specific numbers, but I believe that APP powers are supposed to be somewhere on the order of 3 times worse than the original version of the power. This is why Body Mastery ET has twice the recharge and an extra quarter of the endurance cost of the Blaster version (which, thanks to Scrapper APP ranged attacks using the melee damage scalar, uses the exact same numbers otherwise).
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Originally Posted by Kanto2
I went for ET since I already had CP and FA. It's nice, it works, but the recharge is too slow for what it does.
IOed to the gills it still takes 7.5 seconds to recharge. If it so much as went down to 5 seconds I would consider it good. *And* it's rather endurance costly. |
Thanks guys. That helped to clear things up.
Very much wondering what the 5th power will be for Body Mastery and Darkness Mastery. Hrm...
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I really hope that Body Mastery gets something like Stalker Soul Mastery Shadow Meld, though I could just as easily see that going to Darkness Mastery, though I predict Darkness Mastery will be getting Darkest Night. I'd prefer the Shadow Meld though. That power make me happy. I'd also love Dark Blast to get replaced by the much more effective and thereby useful Gloom or, at the very least, get the damage increased a bit to make it an attack that's actually worth getting again.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Very much wondering what the 5th power will be for Body Mastery and Darkness Mastery. Hrm...
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Mmmmm..... Shadow meld on my */Regen alts.... I already have the recharge to 36 sec. on my claw/dark stalker. Oh how lovely that would be with all that recharge already pumped in before 41.
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Originally Posted by Umbral_NA
I really hope that Body Mastery gets something like Stalker Soul Mastery Shadow Meld, though I could just as easily see that going to Darkness Mastery, though I predict Darkness Mastery will be getting Darkest Night. I'd prefer the Shadow Meld though. That power make me happy. I'd also love Dark Blast to get replaced by the much more effective and thereby useful Gloom or, at the very least, get the damage increased a bit to make it an attack that's actually worth getting again.
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i'd say wait till i16
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If I could get Petrifying Gaze and Darkest Night from Dark, I would be very tempted to switch those in for the Fighting pool on my /regen. Biggest issue would be finding the slots for PG.
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So very true. I am curious about Blaze Mastery. It may be just what I am looking for. We shall see.
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Originally Posted by Morbid_Star
i'd say wait till i16
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Energy sled is very similar to throw spines in damage and range. It does a little less damage, but does knockdown.
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Originally Posted by Prexx
I would like to get more AoE attacks into my DM/SD. It looks like Darkness Mastery has 2, while the others only have 1. The thing is, I never see anyone talking about Darkness Mastery. Almost everyone seems to take Body Master. Why is this (I will admit, shooting lasers out of your eyes is just cool)?
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Darkness Mastery is sucky! The graphics are just horrid! Soul Mastery redside looks alot better than the attacks Darkness Mastery gets.
Another problem with the Epics is...they don't give you want you want at lvl 41 (for some of us anyways).
Don't need a utility power...I want a ranged attack that looks cool and adds to the concept.
I want to shoot a blast of Darkness at someone. Not grab a place holder first, then grab the long range attack.
I'm not even looking for DPS greatness like Gloom. I just want "Oooo...so pretty"
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Originally Posted by War_Hero_NA
Energy sled is very similar to throw spines in damage and range. It does a little less damage, but does knockdown.
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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I would like to get more AoE attacks into my DM/SD. It looks like Darkness Mastery has 2, while the others only have 1. The thing is, I never see anyone talking about Darkness Mastery. Almost everyone seems to take Body Master. Why is this (I will admit, shooting lasers out of your eyes is just cool)?