Way to waste the whole purpose of the rating system. And you're smug about it, too?
Eh, I dunno. Randomly making a stranger's day seems like a good use of it to me. A lot of people take this whole thing way too seriously, I think.
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Well, yes, I agree that rating is irrelevant - but it's irrelevant because of things like this.
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Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
Eh, I dunno. Randomly making a stranger's day seems like a good use of it to me. A lot of people take this whole thing way too seriously, I think.
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It's also irrelevant from the other side of that, too. At least one poster said that they will never give a 5 star rating because they don't think anything is perfect.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Well, yes, I agree that rating is irrelevant - but it's irrelevant because of things like this.
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Originally Posted by Geek_Boy
It's also irrelevant from the other side of that, too. At least one poster said that they will never give a 5 star rating because they don't think anything is perfect.
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It was irrelevant the second it was put in place, as told to the devs in CLOSED BETA!
There's a reason they got rid of the star system they used to have here on the forums.
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I dunno, I'd rather randomly make someone happy, give them a bit of a reward, and make them feel better as a suprise, than beat them down or berate them. Remember, at the end of the day, this is just a video game, and in theory people play it for enjoyment and to unwind and relax. What a better way to promote that idea, as it were, than making other players feel better about their experience with a nice suprise for almost no effort to yourself?|
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Way to waste the whole purpose of the rating system. And you're smug about it, too?
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People who get off on giving out low ratings without any real reason behind it generally increase the level of dismay in AE, and in my experience people will rarely change their arcs because of a few low votes, or even elaborate 'reviews' unless they're specifically looking for that sort of feedback, so the low vote is unlikely to change anything. (Not to mention that many of these reviewers tend to either try and force the story to fit their biases and criteria rather than the author's, or outright ignore/miss clues and text and blame the author for it - neither of which is going to really endear them to any other feedback they'd have to offer.)
Randomly giving someone a 5-star really doesn't really have a downside unless you have some random fear it will somehow degrade AE as a whole due to some misguided idea that most players should be writing their stories like it was a job, not a fun diversion - it gives them some tickets, makes them happy, and doesn't take more than a moment to do. Helping other people enjoy themselves and have a good play experience alongside your own should be the #1 goal when playing in a social game such as an MMO.
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By being honest with them.
| What a better way to promote that idea, as it were, than making other players feel better about their experience with a nice suprise for almost no effort to yourself? |
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You can be honest and still reward them for something you liked about their arc, and make them feel better about themselves at the same time. There are ways to be polite, constructive and helpful, even when accentuating the negative, that don't invalidate also being able to give another player a boost both game-mechanically, and emotionally. If a person was looking for cold cynicism, negative reinforcement and brutal honesty, I don't really think they'd generally pick a cartoonish game about guys in spandex as their arena for it. It's a game, and it's all about having fun - if it's more than that to a player, perhaps that player needs to sit back and re-evaluate their priorities. Personal opinion of course, but treating it any more seriously than, say, a round of super mario brothers seems out of whack to me.
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Originally Posted by Venture_NA
By being honest with them.
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I think everyone should always have 5 stars, right? That way everyone feels good, because everyone is special!
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Why not? At the end of the day, it's a video game, not a court hearing or a univeristy entrance exam. I see no problem with everyone feeling good about playing games.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
I think everyone should always have 5 stars, right? That way everyone feels good, because everyone is special!
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And then, and then, we can put the DC and HOF badges back in place! So everyone gets a badge, which will make them feel even more special! And everyone will be developer's choice!
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This. I agree everyone should have dev choice. Then maybe people wouldn't be so bitter and nasty about a game.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
And then, and then, we can put the DC and HOF badges back in place! So everyone gets a badge, which will make them feel even more special! And everyone will be developer's choice!
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The "For Fun!" section of the forum is serious business.
The "For Fun" section of the boards sadly tends to have some of the most negative and aggressive attitudes of all. "Fun" it seems, has lost a lot of its meaning these days. Fun is serious business indeed. 
I cannot sing. Ive got an obviously below-par singing voice, and yet i have taken part in the odd karaoke evening (twist and shout is mysing of choice, and thats down to Ferris), and when i get married, i fully intend to sing sth for my wife at the reception. I bet Venture_NA'd be a bundle of fun at a karaoke bar, getting all Simon Cowell on me, abd he certainly isn't getting an invite to the big day 
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Oh, brave new world, that has such cowards in it.
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Originally Posted by londerwost
This. I agree everyone should have dev choice. Then maybe people wouldn't be so bitter and nasty about a game.
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Actually, i dont even think this behaviour of mine is in breach of what the ratings system is for. I wouldnt award 5-stars to a badly-spelled Mary Sue arc that tried to paint the KKK in a good light. In order to 'deserve' the stars, the arc has to somehow convey to me the impression that the MAuthor would be someone i'd find affable if i talked to them. Being able to do that is a feat surely worthy of a high rating
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MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Btw, i dont agree with Talens suggestion that everybody should get Devs Choice. I dont mind brightening up the day of a stranger for a moment, but giving everybody devs choice would be gping too far IMO.
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MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, but he actually had a pretty good point in his cynicism, even if he didn't realize it. If it wasn't for dev's choice and player's choice, people would probably be a lot less horrible to each other in regards to AE content since there'd be no reward attached to it, and therefore less incentive to bash at them if you have a problem with them.
My point is that the rating system theoretically exists to help people find arcs of substance and quality and you two are explicitly trying to countermand that based on the fact you might be fond of the author.
The system is pretty much universally agreed upon as completely broken, since everyone's personal definitions of 'substance' and 'quality' are wildly different. If the system is of no real value or use anyways, might as well use what's there to brighten someone's day rather than rain on it, because either way you're contributing to a system that doesn't work, it's just how you're doing it.
And thus I find myself back where I started when AE was announced.
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Your rating approach, combined with your feedback, also subverts the point as you explain it. You recently thought an arc worthy of just 4-stars because even thoigh it was 5-star fun it had loads of typos and grammar errors. You sent the author a long message listing them, i guess in the assumption or at least hope that your feedback would be used to improve the arc. If you get an 'all typos correxted!' message, do you play immediately and rerate? Because that arc now carries a rating from you that by your own admission is wrong (EDIT: if it has been amended due to your feedback i mean)|
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
My point is that the rating system theoretically exists to help people find arcs of substance and quality and you two are explicitly trying to countermand that based on the fact you might be fond of the author.
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MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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A topic I've addressed in my arc thread, curiously, where I note the pliability and intention to improve colours the eventual score. |
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan_NA
Your rating approach, combined with your feedback, also subverts the point as you explain it.
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The arc is good. It's way better than its grammar makes it out to be. It deserves to be praised and it was fun. But I don't think it was 5-star fun. It was just good.
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| Because that arc now carries a rating from you that by your own admission is wrong (EDIT: if it has been amended due to your feedback i mean) |
Man, it's trippy how well you are at knowing what I'm up to, what with you having me on ignore.
In between RL stuff and my review runs, i sometimes play random arcs from players I domt know from Adam. Sometimes I'll play a decidedly average arc thats got a story, customs, filled out bios and system message fields etc, but it just isnt very good, doesnt make sense, is apparently a Mary Sue or something. If im playing one of these random, 'meh' arcs, and its got say. 3-star average, ill sometimes give it 5-stars, purely because i like to think of sb logging in, checking his arc, and smiling at seeing the 25 tickets.
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MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)