Cultural Differences and Forum Moderation

"I treat all posts as opinions, even when they're claiming facts. Facts require proof, and proof is for alcohol and mathematics."

This is either a hastily thought through flippancy, or negates any point in enterung into any debate on anything with you if it truly how you operate. If we cannot agree on any kind of baseground to start from, whats the point of talking to you?

"The movie Pearl Harbour starred Ben Affleck" I say,
"Thats your opinion" is a ludicrous stance to take.

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

"Imagine, if you will, a British-made film depicting the battle of Midway that ends up going very badly for the US. Then, when the Japanese are on the very cusp of victory a group of King George V battleships and Illustrious carriers steam into view and single-handedly wipe out the Imperial fleet and save the day.

We all know how our transatlantic cousins would react to such butchery of their proud moments in history. Yet they feel other nations are overreacting when they express those exact same sentiments."

firstly, this would be an awesome film.

secondly, some americans, namely po-faced humorless rah-rah 'how dare you sirrah?' types would very likely complain. But they'd be IMO missing the point.

What's your opinion of Enigma, btw?

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

"Clearly you've never heard that phrase before. It's satirical, don'tchaknow."

you're right, i wasnt aware that you were quoting someone else. Insread of smugly pointing this out and leaving it at that, perhaps you could educate me?

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

"Ideally no offence will be caused to any forum-goers - although given the range of cultures and sensibilities involved that is nigh impossible - but it's a long way from more than one forum-goer is offended to the majority are."

i said that 'spade' is offensive to the majority, not grinningspade etc.

By the majority i meant the US portion of the forum goers. Im pretty sure that if upu asked all the US forum goers, they'd say that they considered 'spade' an offensive term.

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

I just spent 25 minutes writing a long, relevant and what I thought intellectually stimulating constribution to this debate, but for the third time since these new forums kicked off I was "logged out" when it came time to post, and I lost the whole thing.

I thought we were getting new forum software to safeguard against this kind of performance, but it seems all we got was different colored cr*p in larger portions.

Can anyone explain to me why I should bother with this forum anymore?

"Unless, of course, you have evidence of that?"

i may if course be mistaken, but i have been under the impression for some time that 'spade' was a term generally thought of In the US as an offensive term for a person with african ancestry. Rather like 'wog' in the UK. You're obviously an intelligent person; do you think 'spade' is offensive to enough americans to make my impression accurate?

Eco

edited to add 'in the US'

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

FFM - i think you're going to be disappointed, then.

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

"In which case, the EU community may be proven to be as irrelevant to NCSoft as some of us have often felt."

this is interesting to me, a Brit who's been playing on the US servers for 4.5 yrs now. Why do you say this?

The EU players get the exact same game, dont they? Is it purely the shortfall in server numbers Compared to the US game that irks you?

Is the UK game laggy or often down for long periods?

Who is 'some of us', btw, is it a signidicant enough portion to warrant NCSoft listening to from an economic point of view? I dont kbow about the UK game, but there are. Numbers somewhere that show that the US forumgoers are a tiny portion of the US playerbase. Is this different for the UK subscriptions?

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

"To understand it fully, you would have needed to be a member of the EU community for a while. Part of the feeling is the almost non-existent dev interaction; something that's always kinda annoyed many of us, especially the more vocal forum members, another is that our suggestions are pretty much universally ignored, another is the fact that US and EU GM's run on different rules completely, with you having the much better deal.

In fact, on that side, one of our members carried out an experiment. He accidentally deleted one of his characters EU side, and was told by a GM that it was policy not to restore deleted chars. Obviously that annoyed him greatly as he KNEW that wasn't the case in the US. So, he created a US account, made a character, then deleted it and petitioned the GM's. His character was restored with no quibbles whatsoever. Nice, eh?

Another is that yes, our game IS significantly more laggy than the American one, and in fact, in the UK at least, we can get a FAR better connection to the US servers than we can to our own, which is ridiculous. Nothing has EVER been done to address this, despite MANY complaints."

wow. I'm glad i didnt switch when i had the chance. If of course what you claim is true. As per your own 'everythings an opinion' approach, i've got no evidence to go on.

Be that as it may, if you are playing a laggy dev-free game with horrible GMs, then you have my sympathy. it must be awful. Lets hope they 'merge' server lists in the same way they did with the forums, eh? Then you'll be able to take part in Dev-attended events at 4:30am on a thursday in pocket D, experience the wonder that is Freedoms AP AE building on a double xp rikti invasion weekend, and use the admittedly great in-game US GMs (average time to respond In my experience 5 minutes).

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."