IOing is out of the question i think since im trying to go for more recharge/health/acc, purples would be the better solution then i think. Thanks cynic!
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from experience I would say that /DA really is not a good choice for fighting AVs.
From bumbling round RWZ etc, I can take a lvl 54 rikti suit whenit's an EB, but even lvl 50 AVs pump out far too much damage for my DM/DA to take.
You might and it's a slight might be able to get close to the soft cap on a /DA but then you'll be gimping and under slotting your main powers.
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You might and it's a slight might be able to get close to the soft cap on a /DA but then you'll be gimping and under slotting your main powers.
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That i 100% wont do, i've only just recently got to the point where i have enough set bonuses to potentially fight forever due to conserve power being up again BEFORE my end drains. IMO that is more needed overall, i could slot for say 10/15% def but then that wouldnt be noticeable against an AV i presume 
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from what I've read you wont notice 10% defence against anything, let alone AVs.
It might be worth looking at slotting a few sets that give +max end. As recovery functions as a % of total, increasing the total gives a good boost.
If you have enough +recharge, some slow rez and well slotted psi res, you could try going after Malaise or Mother Mayhem. But with a fire/da I would be going and vast numbers of minion-boss types.
Hi, I have a BS/WP and I would like if someone can post a build to defeat Av
Thanks mates
I would check the US boards.
I'll see if I can fine one for you.
But the general problem is that it's very difficult to get a good smooth flowing attack chain with decent DPS on a BS toon.
I have found my BS really lacking when it comes to AV fighting, the only one of my scrappers that seems worse off is my Spines.
I think with the DPA of BS you want to fight things you can two shot ideally, and AVs don't fit in that group
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They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Ummm, I dont think so. In fact i see a video in youtube a guy with an BS/WP sooling lots of Av, and without temp powers or inspirations.
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Scrapper DPA Comparison:
[u]Katana/Regen[u] (with Build Up) - 2960 damage (3552 including -20% Resistance Proc)
[u]Katana/Regen[u] (without Build Up) - 2073 damage (2488 including -20% Resistance Proc)
[u]Claws/SR[u] (with Double-Stacked Follow Up) - 2608 damage
[u]DM/Shield[u] (with one mob in range of both Soul Drain and Against All Odds) - 2806 damage
[u]DM/Shield[u] (7 mobs in range of Soul Drain and 1 in range of Against All Odds) - 3368 damage
[u]Fire/Fire[u] (with Firey Embrace and Build Up) - 4461 damage
[u]Fire/Fire[u] (without Firey Embrace or Build Up) - 2251 damage
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Woudnt claws actually deal more dps overall on an AV then? Follow up has a base recharge of 12 seconds and build up has a base recharge of 90 seconds.
These are both of the base recharges , lets see what would give more dmg/strength overall
Follow up provides = +37.50 strength for 10 secs
Build up provides = +100 strength for 10 secs
In 5 minutes follow up would have added a total of 937.5 strength
In 5 minutes build up would have added a total of 300 strength and more if the recharge wasnt so long
That calcuations is figured with base recharges though so I am not sure about with IOs. Also remember that calculation is WITHOUT double follow up and just a single follow up. Remember with double follow up you can normally just get two attacks in! And that would be every 24 seconds you would deal another two attacks with +75% strength.
In addition you noted Katana deals more dps with an Acchilles: Res Debuff IO, but did you also count in with claws that you can also slot one of them in Slash for the claws powerset?
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Ummm, I dont think so. In fact i see a video in youtube a guy with an BS/WP sooling lots of Av, and without temp powers or inspirations.
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Didn't say it couldn't be done, just its one of the less suited sets for doing it. Though mine is with SR and parry is uneeded, maybe parry could add survivability and you wouldn't need aidself so often or something. It falls in way behind my DM and my Claws though for DPS
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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Woudnt claws actually deal more dps overall on an AV then? Follow up has a base recharge of 12 seconds and build up has a base recharge of 90 seconds.
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More DPS compared to what?
Followup's damage buff lasts for 10 seconds, but the animation for it takes up nearly a second on its own. You'll need to use it once every five seconds to get the full benefit of it (double-stacked), and even when slotted for damage it isn't one of Claws' best DPA attacks. In fact it comes in a distant 4th (at 208 DPA if you're double-buffed by followup) after Focus (279 DPA), Swipe (242 DPA) then Shock (227 DPA).
Dark Melee's +damage buff (Soul Drain) is nearly perma with sufficient recharge, and Fire's damage type is far less resisted than Claws (and therefore more damaging versus AVs) even without factoring in "Build Up".
Katana is fairly close to Claws' output whenever Build Up is down, but even then, the ability to slot more Damage Procs (the Defence Debuff set's Negative energy ones) and the Achille's Heel -Resist Proc pushes the advantage slightly into Katana's favour.
Claws will beat the sustained damage output of Martial Arts, Broadsword and Spines hands-down though.
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In addition you noted Katana deals more dps with an Acchilles: Res Debuff IO, but did you also count in with claws that you can also slot one of them in Slash for the claws powerset?
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Yes I did... unfortunately Slash itself is one of Claw's least damaging attacks over time - it comes in 5th at 207 DPA (assuming 2x buffs from followup as with the above attacks... for reference, Eviscerate is in 6th and last place at 183 DPA). It's usually not worth using Slash in an optimised Claws attack chain unless you have it heavilly procced up.
Conversely, all of Katanas attacks except for Divine Avalanche can slot that Debuff IO. And you can get away with only slotting it into Gambler's Cut and still having it "permanently activated" on a foe, due to the extremely high DPA (299 with Build Up, 212 without), low animation time and low recharge time of that attack.
Argg I need that build please. I cant register in US forums (like here needs an account on CoH USA)
Help me please
You don't need to register on the US boards to view posts.
Sounds like you're talking about one of Ultimus's old videos. He was one of the most vocal "melee" AV soloers on the US boards, but most of his antics were back before IOs came out.
BS/WP is really not an ideal combo if you're looking at soloing AVs. Broadsword is the third-worst DPS primary after Spines and Dual Blades, and whilst Willpower can be defence-softcapped it really doesn't provide anything to help you hit harder or more often (unlike Fire, Shields or SR). You might be able to stack Parry for defence, but you'll probably struggle to kill anything that's got Smashing/Lethal resistance.
If you're willing to use inspirations and temporary Powers such as Shivans or Warburg nukes, then you should be able to solo any AV in the game (short of the final Lord Recluse on the STF) even with a SO'ed build. If not, then you'll probably need to aim at a build that's considerably more expensive like this[/b][u][/color].
Ok thanks for the build, the video that i saw it´s from Master Stroke (Master_Stroke on US Forums).
You can see here http://www.youtube.com/user/masterstrokegamer
I made an Katana//Regen; It´s better for sooling Av? ¿Someone that have sooled an Av with this can post her build please?
Katana is, IMO much better suited for soloing AVs and I've seen a few Regens being able to stand infront of AVs fairly safely so I'd think the two combined would be more than acceptable
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Yeahhh i have the build of this guy BUT seems cost arround 1.000 millons of more
guys would you suggest katana/regen is the best build 4 a AV killer
Exalted server
Red Pendragon-FM/SD Scrapper 50+3
Softcapped 45% defence, 247 DPS no pets, 447 DPS with pets
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guys would you suggest katana/regen is the best build 4 a AV killer
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Nope. Katana is far better than Broadsword for sustained damage output, but Regen will struggle against AVs unless you're stacking Divine Avalanche (which impacts your DPS, even if you have it perfectly slotted).
Fire/SR is the best Scrapper AV killer if you're on a budget (softcapped defense plus Aid self - SR being easier to cap than Shields). DM/Shields is the best if you're wealthy (>1000 million influence)
Or you could just roll an Ill/Rad and solo AVs with SOs... 
For AV killing you really want softcapped defence, which means /SR, /Shields or /WP (INV can work too but it's very expensive to softcap and doesn't bring any extra benefit) plus a high DPS primary (Fire/DM/Claws/Katana tend to be the best here, but most of the others except for Spines can work if they're built right)
I'd probably say Fire/Shield as a wide guess at all roundness cause of less AVs with Fire Res and def being a fairly handy way of standing there, allowing more time for offence
DM/Shield is probably safer, and may be quicker against some foes too
But Katana has space for that proc which neither of the above do, unless they put LBE in and use it in their attack chain. Which lowers their DPS I would think, but not sure
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
inf wont b too much of a problem. I see fire has a alot of damage as do DM. I think im gona go with DM/shield but does any have a good build i can look at to compare
Exalted server
Red Pendragon-FM/SD Scrapper 50+3
Softcapped 45% defence, 247 DPS no pets, 447 DPS with pets
Have a look here
thanks seems like with DM you need minions around you 4 a damage boost which doesnt suit my style. Im gona try and find a fire/shield build
Exalted server
Red Pendragon-FM/SD Scrapper 50+3
Softcapped 45% defence, 247 DPS no pets, 447 DPS with pets
actually thinkin about it im gona stick with my spines/wp oh well if im not a AV killer, yet lol
Exalted server
Red Pendragon-FM/SD Scrapper 50+3
Softcapped 45% defence, 247 DPS no pets, 447 DPS with pets
If you take your dark and put it against countess crey you might notice nicer results (at least my Fire/DA brute could solo her) however you'd need either a lot of IOing or indeed some purples to stand infront of most AVs I think
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"