Depends on the AT he is, and AT i am.
Me tanker, he blaster and being too trigger happy?
Simple, i dont taunt a few and let him take a few beating.
Me healer, he same story?
Just dont heal him.
Those are with the 'n00bz', people just too damn annoying and think they are 'ubah' and 'funnehz!'. And thats where the difference kicks in towards a newbie, people who just dont know the 'roll' of the game.
Specialy as troller or blaster, it can be confusing how the tanker works (dash in, pull group, teleport a few etc), but they often get along in the mission quite fast.
But, i never quit. Because you only put yourself to blame, specialy if its hard to get a team. Exception is, if he is teamleader, other cases i also give the leader a PM telling about it. Some cases if he dies, nobody rez him and he/she will learn it rather fast.
But you cant always have 'good' teams, thats part of a community. You got bad people, good people, elite people and new people. Mix em, have fun 
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There are players you can trust and players you feel that you can't trust (in terms of some "thing").
Going with what Sinergy said about Blasters who are trigger happy and letting them have something to learn by, by not saving them, this would be fine in my mind if the trigger happiness is what compromises the rest of the team. As an Invuln tanker all the controllers who immobed a spread group weren't doing me any favours, they could be causing lesser safety to the team, I may only have time to type a few words, they may not like it lacking diplomacy and if they continue I would kick them. Controllers should bring the survivability of other players up not down. But then some people accidentally hit a run key, run into a group and if the team follows and tries to save them then everyone is dead, I would assess whether or not its worth risking the whole of the team then act normally. I wouldn't let someone die based upon what's personal as its putting personal in front of the team. On another note if I don't see a team then I may as well not be in it.
I think people should have their tiffs and then find out if they can reconcile later. You need to cut people who you don't gel with from those you do. There are players I don't have to worry about what they're doing and they don't have to worry about what I am doing but n00b moments do happen.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
As a mind/empath, this happens to me quite alot, i know im a troller, but blasters seem to run in first and draw all the aggro on us, while the blaster just runs behind us screaming "ahhhhhhh" so then i have to confuse most of the mob group to keep us alive, but if that all fails and im the last one standing, i just use self destruction, lul
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Don't even try and teach these kinds of people anything, they will learn the hard way themselves over the course of time. All that will happen is you'll end up in an argument, and people tend to leave teams like that because no one likes that kind of atmosphere in an environment that's supposed to be fun.
Additionally, if you try and offer advice, there is the possibility that you will be the one that comes across as the arrogant know it all who won't listen. If you ever have a clash of personalities, just quit the team and move on. It is only a game after all.
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Simple enough...
I just did one change and since then I never/extremely rarely get bad teams.
And noooo... I'm not just teaming with friends. PUGs galore!
I'll never tell!
The secret is mine! MINE! MINE! MINE! *goes and have a nice and pleasent team once again*
I have a simple way to deal with teams like that. Let them die. A few team wipes and they start wondering why this one player is still upright while everyone else is on the floor. The brighter ones start to wonder if you are right when you say "let the tanker take the heat", or "please don't drop rain of X on the group I have just this second cast sleep on". I find letting them get their backsides kicked around a bit and they tend to be more willing to listen to any advice on offer.
However that said you need to be careful not to turn into the guy/gal stood ranting because the team won't listen to you. PuGs are a breeding ground for ranting n00bs, and I do mean n00bs and not newbies.
One other thing to remember is that some people will believe they are right and will taking beating after beating. As far as they are concerned they are right, you are wrong and the game is cheating. They can't be helped, you will go mad trying to help them. The trick then is to keep yourself safe and watch them die, time after time, and laugh your socks off at them. They won't last long in the game before they head off to something like xButt live to shout "cheating n00b, hax0r" at people better at games than them.
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No, some people will never learn, not even if you go crazy.
You just have to learn to avoid teaming with them again.
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As a mind/empath, this happens to me quite alot, i know im a troller, but blasters seem to run in first and draw all the aggro on us, while the blaster just runs behind us screaming "ahhhhhhh" so then i have to confuse most of the mob group to keep us alive, but if that all fails and im the last one standing, i just use self destruction, lul
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Yes them blasters probably want you to fort them and heal them while they blast away, nvm the fact that you logged in hoping to play a controller. I like "order", not healing "disorderly" people. Some people value someone quick to heal them, I can do that, but don't think I am valuing them, I like "more time for other things" and believe its possible to get it with some order.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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One other thing to remember is that some people will believe they are right and will taking beating after beating. As far as they are concerned they are right, you are wrong and the game is cheating. They can't be helped, you will go mad trying to help them. The trick then is to keep yourself safe and watch them die, time after time, and laugh your socks off at them.
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I am sorry, but if I did this to other players deliberately on hero side it would not only be the height of my own arrogance and superiority but going against the grain of playing a hero. There'd be no laughter. I couldn't knowingly compromise the whole team, they can compromise themselves or each other but I wouldn't deliberately go out of my way to let something bad happen and say "oops". I'd either trust the players to stay with them because I can easily believe we are trying to pull together and are all on the same side or leave.
I can single people out on villains because I am evil tho, and don't mind if it happens to me, 10 deaths on a evil character going through any mission with other evil characters is generally acceptable in my head. 
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
There's a number of ways you can tackle this subject. And depending on what you're playing, different tactics can work for different teams. I think some of your problem, as noted, is that Empath Controllers tend to get thought of as pure Empaths rather than Controllers first, Empaths second. It happens with my Ill/Kin Controller sometimes as well. People forget about the controls and just scream for Speed Boost all the time.
On my Kin Defender, I like to keep all the buffs up as much as possible and I take it as a point of pride if we get through a mission without one person calling for Speed Boost. So if a team was bad, I wouldn't stop boosting them as it reflects badly on me and all you get is an already bad team yelling at you for buffs. I feel that you may suffer the same if you suddenly stopped healing them all.
Do your best in the team and then leave. There are people out there who will appreciate a well played toon and it's really not worth teaming with those that don't. There can be some grand PuGs out there but there can be some rubbish ones too.
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Illusion control is not Mind control, so keeping ppl perma buffed with empath skills is not as easy as it would be keeping people buffed with kinetic skills as a Illusion controller.
Ill/Emps would be far easier to play than Mind/Emps. By a mile. Mind Control is just busy, you don't permanently have pets doing aggro control and taking alpha damage for you. Ideally as a Mind/Emp controller, just as it is with a Ill/Emp you'd be at the front, keeping with the tank but not preventing a Tanker doing their job or atleast pulling tight, but more likely with a Mind/Emp fall back on keeping things in check from having to save someone or help someone whose been left behind as opposed to fallen behind survive when others aren't so vigilant towards eachother.
When I come across Forcefielders who don't keep bubbles up and I mean like for a good time, I easily throw the book. That is just bad play. They have so little to do really and I know it as I play them too.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
One thing to bear in mind: selecting any kind of empathy character greatly increases the probablility that you will be invited to join bad PUGs.
I really should do something about this signature.
When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team. I pretty sure I don't have "healer" in any search comment but I really ought to get around to having it in my Trick Archers search comment as aid self counts.
I think if I get a question like "Do you heal?" before a team invite. I will think I have something of a reason to "get out" before I find out and refuse an invite unless I am interested cos of the mood I am in. I think that once your in team and people see that you can heal its "do anything, anything at all" and it does actually pay for my own sanity to play sub par, so someone wakes up to a "bad empath" in a way and plays with a bit more caution for the remainder of the mission. If I don't, I'd end up chasing after a team with all the tactical prowess of little rikti monkeys really.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.
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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*
Now that was just the most honest truth ever.
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One other thing to remember is that some people will believe they are right and will taking beating after beating. As far as they are concerned they are right, you are wrong and the game is cheating. They can't be helped, you will go mad trying to help them. The trick then is to keep yourself safe and watch them die, time after time, and laugh your socks off at them.
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I am sorry, but if I did this to other players deliberately on hero side it would not only be the height of my own arrogance and superiority but going against the grain of playing a hero. There'd be no laughter. I couldn't knowingly compromise the whole team, they can compromise themselves or each other but I wouldn't deliberately go out of my way to let something bad happen and say "oops". I'd either trust the players to stay with them because I can easily believe we are trying to pull together and are all on the same side or leave.
I can single people out on villains because I am evil tho, and don't mind if it happens to me, 10 deaths on a evil character going through any mission with other evil characters is generally acceptable in my head.
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If it was the whole team that bad I would quit the team. PuGs are great fun, waiting around constantly for people to return from hospital is not.
And anyway do what to them? Some people are like slinkys, utterly useless, but we still grin when they fall down stairs. If someone is so determined to follow their own destructive path, constantly running into group of, lets say, +3 enemies and expecting the rest of the team to follow. I say let them die. Regardless of hero/villain side. This is more about moron vs team. Moron want pain, moron want die. I get a few laughs listening to how the team isn't backing them up. Usually as they steam into a nice big room full of enemies and try to herd them with a defender. Good luck on that, anyone brought popcorn?
Also I wouldn't say "oops" I would laugh long and loud, in team chat. Possibly making mocking comments and asking if they want the tanker to go first this time. Then listening to how uber and 1137 they are. Just before they run into a nice group of pumicites.
This, by the way, is the minority of people I have met that I would let them die then dance on the corpse. Some people aren't newbies they are out and out n00bs. They deserve every troll beating, pistol whipping, rock to the face and faceplant they get. I just try to keep the rest of the team from following them to their doom.
Defenders, some defenders can tank mage well, they may say miss a step where they've ran in and the clearmind I am about to give them "obviously" has gone. There wouldn't be "haha look at that defender try to tank" there would be "my bad" if I could of got a CM to them yet didn't. Dark defending I could with CM tank mage +4 way before tanks ever could like at lvl 11 alongside a good defender.
For more honest truth its not right to pre suppose that one knows more than another all the time. A player along side other players in another team may of been able to pull what they were intending, off. Sometimes people do not play to ones own natural expectation or even to what one sees as common sense.
Lets take an SR tanking an AV for a bunch of VEATs for example as I was remembering such a thing today. In another team of people playing VEATs they would not of moved back. Leaving the SR out of the 60ft range of maneuvers and the SR would not of been so easily hit.
People on TS can make up the bad part of a team, because they're making the them and us of the team, with those on TS and those not, its not right to assume what someone is thinking or trying to do, its better to find out for sure by actually asking and by choosing not to cooperate with so and so or by leaving so and so out of the loop, things will fail. That would make them the bad players in my book.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.
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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*
Now that was just the most honest truth ever.
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But you see what I am saying is that, when you're in a bad team, you're part of it. Sometimes you can put things right and sometimes you just think sod it, not worth it, if these players want to keep having repeated attempts at anything because they can't follow a tried and proven simple method, let them. My time is of value and watching a bad re run of ground hog day doesn't appeal.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.
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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*
Now that was just the most honest truth ever.
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But you see what I am saying is that, when you're in a bad team, you're part of it. Sometimes you can put things right and sometimes you just think sod it, not worth it, if these players want to keep having repeated attempts at anything because they can't follow a tried and proven simple method, let them. My time is of value and watching a bad re run of ground hog day doesn't appeal.
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Oh yes.
But for most people it's easier to put the blame on others.
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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.
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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*
Now that was just the most honest truth ever.
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But you see what I am saying is that, when you're in a bad team, you're part of it. Sometimes you can put things right and sometimes you just think sod it, not worth it, if these players want to keep having repeated attempts at anything because they can't follow a tried and proven simple method, let them. My time is of value and watching a bad re run of ground hog day doesn't appeal.
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Oh yes.
But for most people it's easier to put the blame on others.
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If I've made a mistake in anyway with the rest of the team in doing anything that you know about. I am not shy about it.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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When I am in a bad PuG I am part of it. Part of the problem. Partly to blame for something. What I don't know but sometimes people just do not dynamically gel or gel through personality clashes. There is not a them and me "really". If I am in a bad team I may want out but have to accept that I am part of what makes up that bad team.
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So beautiful and flawless. *wipes tear off cheek*
Now that was just the most honest truth ever.
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But you see what I am saying is that, when you're in a bad team, you're part of it. Sometimes you can put things right and sometimes you just think sod it, not worth it, if these players want to keep having repeated attempts at anything because they can't follow a tried and proven simple method, let them. My time is of value and watching a bad re run of ground hog day doesn't appeal.
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Oh yes.
But for most people it's easier to put the blame on others.
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True it is eaiser to blame others and if the team is bad I want to make it better (I'm like a old dog, I never learn 
) that was why I came here to ask this. Since I like to team and I try to make the team better but when nobody doesn't listen I was wondering if there is a way to make people listen or if I just have to hope for the best. And by the way I do expect people to tell me if I'm doing something wrong so I can improve myself and the team.
I think most of the time you will come across people who you can team with lovely without saying anything about anything, but sometimes in some teams some peoples survivability is compromised someway.
Sometimes things require an anchor kept alive, somethings require numbers in an area and sometimes things require timing from other people due to threat mechanics, sometimes people compromise themselves and therefore the team from positioning.
The game is made so that we can use our powers in a way that can work against each other as well as for, some people desire potshots at fish in a barrel where as some people desire something that is much more of a matter of teamwork. You will come across people who only see themselves and not the ability of what the team can do when they combine their powers or allow for a set up that adds to survivability. These players shrug off much that have gone wrong as "one of those things". If you point something out to another player about what they could of done when they didn't in order to not repeat the same mistake then you're going to be sometimes thanked and sometimes put in a corner for "naming and shaming" or being "annoying". Many players are farmers so 3 goes at a TF and still failing isn't a bad thing as they still got inf or xp. Whereas some players base things on getting things done and some players are either do it fast or fail and so make compromises with luck now and then on their side.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
So basicly it all comes down to luck eh? Well don't seem too good I'm a fricking bad luck magnet 
(I'm the kind of guy who walk right in lightpost and stuff like that 
). Aww well what can you do about it right? Thanks a lot everyone for these answers. This will help me a lot in the future i think and hope atleast.
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Defenders, some defenders can tank mage well, they may say miss a step where they've ran in and the clearmind I am about to give them "obviously" has gone. There wouldn't be "haha look at that defender try to tank" there would be "my bad" if I could of got a CM to them yet didn't. Dark defending I could with CM tank mage +4 way before tanks ever could like at lvl 11 alongside a good defender.
For more honest truth its not right to pre suppose that one knows more than another all the time. A player along side other players in another team may of been able to pull what they were intending, off. Sometimes people do not play to ones own natural expectation or even to what one sees as common sense.
Lets take an SR tanking an AV for a bunch of VEATs for example as I was remembering such a thing today. In another team of people playing VEATs they would not of moved back. Leaving the SR out of the 60ft range of maneuvers and the SR would not of been so easily hit.
People on TS can make up the bad part of a team, because they're making the them and us of the team, with those on TS and those not, its not right to assume what someone is thinking or trying to do, its better to find out for sure by actually asking and by choosing not to cooperate with so and so or by leaving so and so out of the loop, things will fail. That would make them the bad players in my book.
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You know I think you are misunderstanding me, or I am not being clear. I don't mean people that play outside the box. Yes some people can. I mean the Lui's of this world. They know how to play every single combination in the game better than anything you could ever do. They are the very pinacle of perfection. When they die the game is cheating, or lagged, or hacked, or........ It is never there own fault. They deserve laughter, laughter and mocking, with maybe more mocking and laughter.
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Illusion control is not Mind control, so keeping ppl perma buffed with empath skills is not as easy as it would be keeping people buffed with kinetic skills as a Illusion controller.
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I think perhaps you're misunderstanding my point. I know how busy Mind is compared to Illusion, I'm not comparing sets. My point was that teams sometimes focus on something that you provide and forget the rest. So here, they forget that they have a Controller on hand and just expect him to spend all of his time healing.
Unfortunately, bad PuGs do tend to think that once they have an Empath on board, be they a Defender or Controller, that they are indestructible and if they die, then the 'Healer' isn't doing their job. Because it's easier than examining their own tactics.
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
The Militia: Union RP Supergroup - www.themilitia.org.uk
You guys/gals(I can't be sure now can I) know when teaming goes bad, often there is this guy/gal who don't listen or think he/she is superior beacuse he/she has a 50 or when the team just don't listen to you at all. Is there a way to get people to learn a lesson (short of going crazy). Why I'm asking this is generally if you just quit the team noboby is really learning anything, so is there away to teach these people a lesson that they acually learn or do I just have to suck it up and be optimistic about it?