Not in the exact combo, but have in different sets.
Traps is very nice, dispite the little nerf they did on poison trap it still is a great set. Few lovely alpha takers (acid mortar, drones, or even detonater), great stacking FFG with the bots shields. Calltrops and webnade for your big bot's burnpatch.
Although may depend on your playstyle (BG mode or straight out attacking), even tripmine is very nice to play with. My necro/trap can use both detonator (extact soul) and tripmine to full extend.
FFG follows with a 'delay',it wasnt uncommon i got mezzed because the stupid thing got behind, my tip is just to turn camera to the direct the FFG is comming from, he suddenly goes straight to your spot.
Bots itself is great but sometimes tad annoying due their size. Damage is nice, specialy it mix between SL, nrg and fire damage.
Take the def shield, along with manauvers and i think you can hit softcap rather easy.
/traps remain 1 of my nicest sets i have (i have em all).
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I have a softcap ranged and aoe build but one of the question marks is aid self or provoke. From what info i have gathered i can survive on stacked triage beacons but still feels a bit unsafe.
Thanks for the input Sinergy.
Indeed, depends very much on your playstyle. I'm the 'aggressive' petmaster, letting my pets do the work while i supply debuff and support. Aid self is usefull in that line if you get some beating. (i always take it, in party its more likely you get hit by something).
Provoke is more like a BG playstyle, i have little to no experience with that.
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What i want to know if anyone has experience from leveling this combo and how it performed.
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And is still less than Thugs past 32. 
You could do worse with Bots/FF.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Actually I just rerolled my level 42 Bots/Traps into Bots/FF so I'd at least have more fun animations, and have Force Bolt and Repulsion Bomb to play with.
Hmm been thinking about it and the end goal will keep me on these powersets. The things this combo can do with a small(by my standards) investment is amazing.
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Hmm been thinking about it and the end goal will keep me on these powersets. The things this combo can do with a small(by my standards) investment is amazing.
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Meh. IO's are unnecessary.
My Robotics/Traps had no real issues on the plod to 50, apart from Issue 7 <shudder>.
Admittedly I was regularly teamed with a Brute and Corruptor, but soloed regularly too.
Nowadays, even though I'm running with generic IO's since I went after the crafting badges, there are no set IO's in his build (and no Stamina, either)
FFG is the big trick in Traps as far as I'm concerned. Well, that and web grenade to keep things on the Incendiary Missile Swarm's burn patches.
Early levels can be painfully slow, as AoE damage is something that happens to other MM's until you get to 32. (there's a small amount of AoE at 26 with Dual Plasma Blast and Flamethrower on Stompy, but that's yer lot until your pets get Full Auto Laser, Seeker Drones, Photon grenades, Swarm Missiles and <drool> Incendiary Swarm Missiles </drool>
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Play to your strengths, use traps to keep mobs at range, and you shouldn't have too many troubles.
Oh, and don't forget to pick up Recall Friend. It's pretty much essential once your Protector Bots get Seeker Drones. <exits, swearing about long standing bugs>
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Thanks Canine. Now i´m curious though, can i skip stamina?
For my goal i need ios to cover some holes and improve on things.
As part of the two bots/traps MM team who decked Positron and Valkyrie on AV/Hero level (same or +1 lvl, cant remember) I can attest that its a damn god combo.
Bots are tough. Think they are some of the most survivable of all pets. Certainly once you get to lvl 12 and Protectorbots, add in the FF generator and your laughing.
A few must takes;
Upgrade at lvl 6
Protectors at lvl 12
FF gen
Trip mine/poison trap combo
Assault bot and final upgrade (duh )
Personally, I didnt find Bots tough to run with. Sure, there were tough missions, but that happens. After lvl 32, honestly, you are home and cackling free. The final AoE damage of bots is ludicrous, and with Protector shields and FFgen their hard to kill. stick the procs in an you have some nice, tough minions. Add Scorpions shield and your as damn unhittable as nearly anything.
Fitness...I would reccomend it, but its not as necessary at 20 as on others. Those two upgrades when bringing back a full team are very end heavy. Also, its nice to have it as backup.
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You can skip Stamina on Bots/Traps without serious* drawbacks if you slot properly.
*(Compared to other powerset combos/ATs)
In other words, if you waste slots for endurance in the upgrade and actual pet powers
Stamina is there as a backup 'powersource' for firefights. Once you've set up, you should be ok, it sorts the problems when things get dicy in a fight however.
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On /traps i never really needed stamina. Have a few blues as backup, but never really problems. Unless maybe you run a bunch of toggles, CJ, acro, 2 leadership, shield etc, in my case i only had the shield.
But, if i can fit em all in, i always try to pick stamina. Just makes live a bit easier 
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Given with an MM you can normally sneak in assault and tactics, having Stamina is normally worth it. Also, some of the devices can be an end drain at times.
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Has anyone got a good example build for Bots/Traps MM? I am dabbling into the murky waters villains side but have no idea of what to go for 
Golden-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Fire/Fire Tank
Oodja Nikabolokov - Lvl 50 SS/WP Brute
Baby-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Peacebringer
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck Norris?
Silverado posted his build in this thread and he has solo´d just about every av, hero and gm v-side
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....part=3&vc=1
EDIT: or do yo want a leveling build?
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Silverado posted his build in this thread and he has solo´d just about every av, hero and gm v-side
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....part=3&vc=1
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Afaik he did all this pre-nerf of the poison trap.
(making a EB/AV vomit all the time was nearly an exploit )
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Excellent thanks TRT I have something to guide me now
Golden-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Fire/Fire Tank
Oodja Nikabolokov - Lvl 50 SS/WP Brute
Baby-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Peacebringer
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck Norris?
post nerf to most of the av´s and at least scrapyarder.
He has soloed recluse post nerf with a fire/traps as well.
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Has anyone got a good example build for Bots/Traps MM? I am dabbling into the murky waters villains side but have no idea of what to go for
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I could post my non set-IO based Bots/Traps build, if you really REALLY want, but I'll warn you now, it's probably seriously idiosyncratic and tied almost inexorably to my personal playstyle.
It's the build I freespecced into at level 47 back in Issue 7, with the last 3 levels added to it, and I've not felt a burning need to change it since.
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If you could please Canine that would be great thanks - currently at lvl 6 and almost out of Mercy thank god!
Golden-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Fire/Fire Tank
Oodja Nikabolokov - Lvl 50 SS/WP Brute
Baby-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Peacebringer
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck Norris?
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If you could please Canine that would be great thanks - currently at lvl 6 and almost out of Mercy thank god!
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Hmm, I don't have a heroplanner version, since I don't use planning utilities, but you can have a quick and dirty potatoshopped version of what my enhancement management screen looks like.
<braces for storms of hilarity aimed at build>
I'll point out now that the build is fully functional for me and my playstyle. it is NOT an example in ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!1!1!!11 twinked out solo AV killing death machine building.
If I were to suddenly have a brain haemorrhage and decide to respec him, I'd shift some slots around, lose a couple of powers, and maybe look into acquiring Stamina, if only for Health so I had somewhere to put the Numinas Unique I had drop off a SF about 8 months ago that I've got made up and sitting in my Enhancement tray...
I'll see about grabbing the latest version of mids and putting together a planner build from the screenshot, but don't hold your breath
:edit: OK, let's try this, then. (for Mids 1.401)
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That, in theory is my current build, except that the slot allocation order is nothing at all like it should be. I got the exact power order back out of the game by repeatedly flashbacking to progressively higher level arcs
Not sure how much use it willbe to you, but for what it's worth, there you go.
A couple of notes. Pulse Rifle Blast is there as a pulling tool, hence the range enhancements. Detonator I consider to be a complete pile of crud.
At level 50, the usual attack sequence is Web Envelope, Tell bots to 'kill that thing over there' (I've got 'petcom_all Attack Aggressive' bound to the forward button on my mouse), Photon Grenade, start liberally applying Web Grenades.
If that all works, then the spawn gets glued to the floor, the torrent of Aoe damage starts, then some of them will get stunned by mine and the Protector bots' Photon Grenades, and with any luck I can get a Web Grenade to glue a boss/lieutenant to the floor before Stompy uses the Swarm missiles and sends half the mobs flying backwards. This last point is important because of Incendiary Swarm Missiles.
Seeker Drones are used to take the alpha off particularly hazardous looking spawns. Caltrops get dropped at my feet to keep melee mobs away from me. Triage, Acid Mortar and poison trap get used when I feel they need to be, or alternatively when I set up a 'fortress' with all my traps at one point, where I then stand and watch things die around me.
I'll give fair warning, this build can and will haemorrhage endurance like it's going out of fashion if you're not careful.
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OK, my Bots/Traps MM is levellig nicley and as it doesnt require a team it is easy going - currently causing havoc in Cap au Diable, however I do have a question I am not sure about.
When I use the 'upgrade' on one of my two basic bots the 'upgrade' status logo (next to name) appears next to both and my Protectpr bot. Dop I need to upgrade all 3 or just do one upgrade which covers all?
Golden-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Fire/Fire Tank
Oodja Nikabolokov - Lvl 50 SS/WP Brute
Baby-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Peacebringer
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck Norris?
So i rolled a bots/traps to be my namesake. I have the final build pretty much figured out apart from some question marks.
What i want to know if anyone has experience from leveling this combo and how it performed.
Much appreciated for any advice.