Hi there, I have a lvl 50 ill/storm and have dabbled in pvp.
Main thing that stands out to me is that you have 2 travel powers, thunderclap and yet no hurricane.
Thunderclap is pretty much awful in PvE (imo) and perfectly useless in PvP. If you only change one thing in your build I would defo swap that for hurricane, it is your main survival toon in PvP (as well as your invisibility). Also for PvP, rather than hasten and SS, I would perhaps think about aid self instead. You don't need SS for the stacking stealth as you already have superior invis and steamy mist - which I also skipped due to end issues.
I also found that teleport works incredibly well for a stormy in PvP. nothing quite as satisfying as landing right on top of someone with hurricane on and then dropping all your pets, and it's also the best escape power. Which also reminds me - wheres spectral terror? Fear resist is rare (not so much as it used to be) in PvP, and this power is great, and it's tohit debuff stacks with your hurricane too.
I miss him in the weeping of the rain;
I want him at the shrinking of the tide;
The old snows melt from every mountain-side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
~Edna St. Vincent Millay
Thanks for your post. REason for thunderclap is just to have a detoggle but if its useless i´ll gladly put hurricane in. Reason for SS is those sneaky villains all have ss so i need to catch up to them somehow i would use teleport but i dont know how to use it properly.I will amke some adjustments.
Can you give some advice for zonal pvp? I have tried some but i get squashed before i can do stuff. I would try Arena but its hard to find matches whenever i look.
Heh I know many people who would keel over laughing at me giving PvP advice! But I have done quite a bit of it (for me) on my ill/storm. Take this all with a pinch of salt;
I found my most useful powers were - Sup invis, teleport, hurricane, freezing rain, snow storm and spectral terror.
It depends on how you want to PvP - do you want to hunt down prey or provide defence/support to a team? If it's the former you can do this easiest (in my experience) with telport and invisibility, then just land right on your target and drop everything on them or try to ground them with snowstorm.
It's difficult to get right and the trick is always dealing enough damage to kill your target before they escape. If it's a squishy and you get the drop on them then it's usually pretty easy to take them out, if not then it's more difficult. If they have any slow res then ur screwed, and toons with repel/kb res can also be a pain.
Tornado is massively useful in PvP too, obviously not for sirens but once you get it it is great for higher lvl zones.
Another reason I like teleport is for escapes. on the rare occassions someone can get through your hurricane (ranged blasters/mezzers or toons with massive to-hit buffs) it can get you out of trouble quickly.
Also don't be suprised if you look under your hurricane and see a bunch of other heroes lurking around...stormies attract them like flies in PvP 
My only other advice would be to pick your fights and know when you've bitten off more than you can chew. If your fighting a melee toon that you can't scratch and they pop BU or seem to be able to hit you, get out of there asap and choose someone else to terrorise
I miss him in the weeping of the rain;
I want him at the shrinking of the tide;
The old snows melt from every mountain-side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
~Edna St. Vincent Millay
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would this work in sirens so i have something to do when not lvling in snail pace?
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
This then meant "see a huge mob, throw pets in, Freezing Rain them" taking most things down as I concentrate on Bosses, spectral wounds, blind and even deceive on some lieut to help me move on to the next group sooner. Rinse and repeat.
Teams love it. I get the "Did you mean to pull that many?" question. If I have to bunch them up for Freezing Rain. I try pulling everything I can with snowstorm. I then have them intercepted by my pets just before my herdpoint and then I Freezing Rain them.
So when you said slow leveling with Ill/Storm. I thought no just plain no. You haven't perma'd Freezing rain nor got the pets down time to a minimum as well as, since you have, having your bread and butter attacks sorted.
It maybe cos your building towards PvP that your not as full on PvE and so leveling slower. I would try a level faster build then worry about PvP.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
problem is when i find to team with him i end up on teams like all controller teams. Lately its been going better or maybe dxp just spoiled me .
If your on union and struggling to find a decent team, give me a shout @Kitty_Hellfire, sure we can squeeze you in. Assuming your lower than 30 we always have sk slots.
I miss him in the weeping of the rain;
I want him at the shrinking of the tide;
The old snows melt from every mountain-side,
And last year's leaves are smoke in every lane;
But last year's bitter loving must remain
~Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Can you give some advice for zonal pvp?
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My advice is remove thunderclap because it roots you for too long and its not worth as much as it used to detoggle wise.
Hurricane is an absolute must.
Dont bother with teleport,unless you are making a special focused build.
Hurdle,CJ,SJ,SS is the best pvp combo to keep unsupressed movement.
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage? 
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?
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Its one of those pro things like RoTP tanking and super secretz scrappers taunting
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?
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In 2 secs I can almost cast the equivalent of 16 * the damage of Blind because F.R. can hit 16 and constantly over waves of multiple targets its dps can be worth as much as over 3 * Blind's.
On the french server I am not normally outside of an 8 man team even at this time which is 4 am.
So yes I do damage slot it and when it comes to IOs I have 6 slots worth frankensteining.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?
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In 2 secs I can almost cast the equivalent of 16 * the damage of Blind because F.R. can hit 16 and constantly over waves of multiple targets its dps can be worth as much as over 3 * Blind's.
On the french server I am not normally outside of an 8 man team even at this time which is 4 am.
So yes I do damage slot it and when it comes to IOs I have 6 slots worth frankensteining.
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This is probably the most hilarious thing I've read since IM said to slot Flash with damage.
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?
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In 2 secs I can almost cast the equivalent of 16 * the damage of Blind because F.R. can hit 16 and constantly over waves of multiple targets its dps can be worth as much as over 3 * Blind's.
On the french server I am not normally outside of an 8 man team even at this time which is 4 am.
So yes I do damage slot it and when it comes to IOs I have 6 slots worth frankensteining.
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This is probably the most hilarious thing I've read since IM said to slot Flash with damage.
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This is prolly 3rd most hilarious thing ever after IM's slot to flash with damage and RoTP being a tanking technique.
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My Ill/Storm was not too dissimilar to yours except that rather 3 rechg'd 3 dam SO'd Freezing Rain and the pets.
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Wait...what? You have Freezing Rain slotted with damage?
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In 2 secs I can almost cast the equivalent of 16 * the damage of Blind because F.R. can hit 16 and constantly over waves of multiple targets its dps can be worth as much as over 3 * Blind's.
On the french server I am not normally outside of an 8 man team even at this time which is 4 am.
So yes I do damage slot it and when it comes to IOs I have 6 slots worth frankensteining.
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This is probably the most hilarious thing I've read since IM said to slot Flash with damage.
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This is prolly 3rd most hilarious thing ever after IM's slot to flash with damage and RoTP being a tanking technique.
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lmfao
No to slot flash with damage isn't a good idea. Like being afk next to an AV with a WP taunt aura for a team isn't a good idea.
Why don't you run some numbers.
Or better still Globey, as I trust he will be better at it.
Given that in this thread I have already said it maybe better to focus on PvE and level first and then go back to PvP. I don't see a problem. If I said carry on with PvP then no that wouldn't be the slotting.
Numbers and more mature posts pls, with constructive criticism not spam.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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No to slot flash with damage isn't a good idea. Like being afk next to an AV with a WP taunt aura for a team isn't a good idea.
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Not entirely sure why you're talking about WP taunt here but hey...most of your posts rarely makes sense.
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Why don't you run some numbers.
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See...I don't have to. I know 16 x next to nothing = slightly more than next to nothing.
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Or better still Globey, as I trust he will be better at it.
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Hehe...at least you still make me laugh.
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Given that in this thread I have already said it maybe better to focus on PvE and level first and then go back to PvP. I don't see a problem. If I said carry on with PvP then no that wouldn't be the slotting.
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PvP or PvE...it doesn't matter. There will ALWAYS be a better use of slots than damage in Freezing Rain.
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Numbers and more mature posts pls, with constructive criticism not spam.
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See...I consider my deriding of your slotting far more contructive than most of your posts. Advising anyone to slot damage in Freezing Rain is a waste of forumspace. Freezing Rain should ALWAYS be recharges, end reduction, def debuffs in that priority order - and if you feel really silly some range. Never damage.
SingStar:
"Extremists LOVE to fish to get us annoyed so we break the forum rules."
CRACK68:
"The origin of life wasn't planned either, should all life be declared a bug and wiped out?"
Lionsbane:
"You know me.Ever the realist"
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No to slot flash with damage isn't a good idea. Like being afk next to an AV with a WP taunt aura for a team isn't a good idea.
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Not entirely sure why you're talking about WP taunt here but hey...most of your posts rarely makes sense.
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Why don't you run some numbers.
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See...I don't have to. I know 16 x next to nothing = slightly more than next to nothing.
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Or better still Globey, as I trust he will be better at it.
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Hehe...at least you still make me laugh.
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Given that in this thread I have already said it maybe better to focus on PvE and level first and then go back to PvP. I don't see a problem. If I said carry on with PvP then no that wouldn't be the slotting.
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PvP or PvE...it doesn't matter. There will ALWAYS be a better use of slots than damage in Freezing Rain.
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Numbers and more mature posts pls, with constructive criticism not spam.
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See...I consider my deriding of your slotting far more contructive than most of your posts. Advising anyone to slot damage in Freezing Rain is a waste of forumspace. Freezing Rain should ALWAYS be recharges, end reduction, def debuffs in that priority order - and if you feel really silly some range. Never damage.
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Is that it? That's the best you got?
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Is that it? That's the best you got?
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What's that? You taunting me with RotP?
SingStar:
"Extremists LOVE to fish to get us annoyed so we break the forum rules."
CRACK68:
"The origin of life wasn't planned either, should all life be declared a bug and wiped out?"
Lionsbane:
"You know me.Ever the realist"
Do something other than spam that can be classed as a way of trolling. Something constructive towards helping the OP, showing numbers that can't be refuted.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I went away and looked at this plus I looked at a guide.
It's good with just 3 recharges. Slotting anything else is down to the player. In PvE most people accommodate for their own accuracy and with a -30% defence debuff, very often debuffing defense is hardly warranted.
The power gets used almost every 30 seconds, sometimes the slows wouldn't matter in PvE teams and sometimes the -def wouldn't matter and no matter what there is always excess damage at the end of the fight that doesn't matter and by that I mean a last attack may of been high damage when low damage would of done.
The need to slot anything more than 3 recharges is debatable, defense for sure because you may PvP or be at a much higher level than the Ill/Storms we are talking about in this thread. Only the player can decide what to slot from their experiences, being within their teams, made up of other players who may well buff damage and recharge, and the slots they have free. Its fairer to say that unless your constantly in teams fully manned to face enough enemies at a time you'd normally be better off slotting elsewhere.
That's a neutral stance.
Freezing Rain[/b] -- UndDef-DefDeb/Rchg:50(A), UndDef-DefDeb/Rchg/EndRdx:50(27), LdyGrey-DefDeb/Rchg:50(27), LdyGrey-DefDeb/Rchg/EndRdx:50(34), LdyGrey-%Dam:50(40), Achilles-ResDeb%:20(43)
-def 92%
rech 92%
endrdx 42%
with dmg and -res procs for real damage and some good bonuses (+dmg +HP +recov)
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
Thats the sort of slotting I'd consider after I would of leveled up/had the inf, which is not your average player. I merely commented as I picked on the "leveling like a snail" bit around the late 20s in levels and still leveling so I wasn't gearing for a final product.
However, I can't see if I think your slotting is a mistake because the whole of the build counts towards it. A build I can't see.
I believe our intentions/power choices are probably not identical.
Putting those slots into mine leads to "lowering" my dps by a lot and increasing the def debuff by "only" 5%. My current dam buff sits at +8%, I went for rechg and +end ofc.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Is that it? That's the best you got?
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What's that? You taunting me with RotP?
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Dude! you made me spill my dinner laughing damnyou!
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Do something other than spam that can be classed as a way of trolling. Something constructive towards helping the OP, showing numbers that can't be refuted.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Stop telling people to try and DPS with controller sets that really can't.
P.S. Arch isn't trolling, he's just telling you you're wrong. Which you are.
The saying to someone I am right, you are wrong and then giving no real reason for it is as bad as. Its without substance. The increased show of forum clique mates is also lessening it.
I see no ones done the numbers to prove otherwise because I don't think the numbers can be denied. I much rather do as much as over 800 damage to a group via 16 enemies in 2 seconds of my effort than sit around way less. It adds up over time and the damage per endurance point for the damage component alone with nice slotting can be worthy of use on a minimum of 4 but sometimes people are likely to use it on as little as 1 target at times anyway for every other component. The slow component and the def debuff component aren't always needed where as damage is in PvE.
I'll go with AoE DPS and approx 45% def debuff through my slotting, thx. If thats wrong for PvP, I already knew.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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would this work in sirens so i have something to do when not lvling in snail pace?
also takes suggestion on cheapish good lvl30 sets that are efficient, also what ench. gives + perception?