WiillPower v Invulnerability- one key question


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I'm not up on the naunces of Powers so bear with me.
As I understand it, the key differences between WP and Invul is that the WP can take less damage but is better protected across the board than invul. Plus it has no direct heals like dull health. Ok.

But the question has to be this:

If both WP and Invul hit the Sl cap with tough but WPs overall defences cover a wider range of attacks, (psionic etc etc) is it not (assuming you put in tough- or aid self for that matter) an overall, no questions asked, superior Primary for Tankers?


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Invul has always been and still is the superior (especially now theres IOs)

(reasons to follow when im not mid-TF )


 

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One of the key differences is the insane amounts of regen that WP gets in a mob


 

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One of the key differences is the insane amounts of regen that WP gets in a mob

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versus the fact that inv can hit wayyy over the defence soft cap?


 

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I think most people will agree that apart from the obvious psionic issue they differ over different periods over a fight. Some may say that WP is better and some go for Inv; but ideally they are equally just as good, although they should be either played or played with differently..and I think I see that. I was considering all tanks to have their flaws and strengths, but overall, to be fairly evened out theoretically. You just play them slightly differently because of your limitations but then you have certain flexibilities to make up the difference. However teams will often play their way, and that, with having to play slightly differently is possibly why some sets are that more challenging than others.


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If both WP and Invul hit the Sl cap with tough but

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Can WP hit the S/L res cap with Tough? iirc my planned builds (all with Tough) were about 70ish% S/L res but I might be mistaken with scrapper resistances as usual, I'll double check when I get home...


 

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It totaly depends what you wanna tank. Facing ranged mobs, both having hard time but WP gets a faster tier9 power making it abit more viable.

Yet, afaik WP cannot reach SL without tier9, afaik they are just below fire/dark, thus reaching a 75%ish SL resist.

And on personal note, the superior primairy imho remains Stone.

On the other hard, who doesnt team up with a sonic or a (new) thermal or frost? It increase massive stuff.


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I much prefer my 1 Inv/* over my 4 odd WP/* purely for the reason he's alot more survivable in alot of situations, only places i would like my WP tank is against psi, other than that Invul is my prefered set


 

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Stone higher resistances and defence but not without it's problems each set is in someway 'balanced' but varies in playstyle and effectiveness.


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I find the survivability is essentially the same as a whole. Willpower however, has no downtime due to regen and Quick Recovery, and non-intrusive power effects, so it dumps on Invulnerability from a very great height.

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it's stuff like this that makes me avoid posting on the EU Forum


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I like the defence cap, the defence cap is a very healthy thing. Of course it means if there's luck against you then you're dead.

I like the regen of willpower. Of course if you lose the regen the rest of your mitigation means nothing to anyone and then there's Malta and CoT both robbing you of your regen anyway. Its strange an Inv without its def isn't anywhere near as helpless as a WP without its regen

I think thats the key for me. Debuffs his WP harsher than they do Inv cause of the permanently high S&L res and the ability to cap the others. WP gets psi res/def but then I only find Inv cant cope with LOTS of psi, like psi clockwork...... really not enough to sweat. My Spine/Inv scrapper can herd carnies and rikti just fine so its just the all psi foes that make inve weak. Hardly a threat.


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I think their both evenly powered, but I have Inv because its just cooler to my story. and the S/L damage resistance is great


 

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For me they are much of a muchness. Good tanking is 90% technique so all primaries are just about equal. That said, I haven't tried DA yet on tank