Ok answer me this please peeps !!!!!
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Bucky_EU,
Posted on: 2008-02-29 22:12 in Everything about PvP
Is this our daily "PvP is a little unbalanced" thread? 
@Golden Girl
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Well, for what it's worth, a Stalker using everything available to him can always get an increased stealth over and above anything any one person can get and you won't see him without some sort of external help. bascially SAtalkers get the only real stealth ability that is stackable. hell some Stalkers even take Grabt invis just to help other stalkers out. You'll need Tactics and probably IR goggles as well as some sort of external buff such as clear mind or stacked tactics from someone else to see him.
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@Miss Chief
With Tactics, Focused Fighting and a Perception IO you will be at the perception cap which means you will see a stalker if the come within 10 feet.
He always hit you as, presumably, he is using Build Up before he attacks, which grants +ToHit.
@Miss_Chief:
That's not true anymore. Sets that have a power that grants +perception can stack it with tactics and a perception IO which caps them out in any zone except RV. For RV most, if not all, will need an extra buff such as an empowerment buff or IR goggles.
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If your a spines scrapper, run quills. THAT is your stalker defence.
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If your a spines scrapper, run quills. THAT is your stalker defence.
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For some but not all.
-Firstly, even if you think your perception rocks, don't stand still. There's no point giving anything that opportunity to get next to you.
-Second, Quills is a great way to stop Stalkers, even if it misses, you see the "Miss" and gives you a chance to run away from a followup attack.
-Get a PvP build. Get Aid Self.
-You should have near perma-Elude if you spent that much (Purple recipes = Win)
-Siren's isn't your Zone. You lack most (if not all) of your set bonuses there, as well as Elude and epics.
-Stalkers will always be able to do huge damage. They are by no means overpowered, it simply requires a bit of tactics to get them. You will kill them pretty easily if you play it right.
I've seen Spines/SR played amazingly well in PvP, especially with expensive builds. Stick at it and you will get better- it's always like that. Don't give up yet.
/t me @chi if you want some practice matches 
I suggest asking Spine Stalker for help for your spines/sr scrapper. He is by far the best spines/SR i've seen (at least on union.
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I suggest asking Spine Stalker for help for your spines/sr scrapper. He is by far the best spines/SR i've seen (at least on union.
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Yeah, I'm surprised SRM hasn't already begun spamming this thread with uber tips on how to pwnz0r!
It's an equal trade. Stalkers don't fare as well as you will in PvE. 
And take other's advice; fight in RV to use your set bonuses, use quills, keep moving. And bear in mind that while it LOOKS effortless playing a Stalker, it really isn't.
You said he ET'ed you, Energy Transfer? Of all the stalkers you could pick a fight with, you choose one with the best single-target damage in the game? And of an unusual type, no less! They're talking about buffing the other sets to match Energy Melee's awesomeness, or (less likely) nerfing EM. Y'see, it's one of those sets.
If you really want to win at PvP, rethink your build with it in mind. This is hardly ideal, everyone (devs included) would rather that not be needed, but it's true. Spines are arguably the best anti-Stalker set, so you have a head start.
Necrobond - 50 BS/Inv Scrapper made in I1
Rickar - 50 Bots/FF Mastermind
Anti-Muon - 42 Warshade
Ivory Sicarius - 45 Crab Spider
Aber ja, nat�rlich Hans nass ist, er steht unter einem Wasserfall.
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Is this our daily "PvP is a little unbalanced" thread?
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No its not this is a legitimate question and as i said not a dig at stalkers in anyway at all.
I just cant see what my incentive would be to do mission after mission again to earn all that influence to buy all the IO sets to enhance my char when some one who just has normal SO's can hit you just as well anyway, especialy when your in voice with them and their laughing their head off just rub salt in the wound even more. Is it for my own satisfaction of doing the char to the best i can get it? becasue if it is, it isnt worth all the pain and anguish.
Just for example:
For Ripper 5 Armageddon = approx 190 million spent
For quills 6 Scirocco's Dervish = approx 55 million
For Tactics & FA Gaussians Fire Control X2 lots = approx 40m
approx just in them 4 powers 285 million spent to increase my accuracy / defence.
Now some one with just say IOs with now bonuses it would cost them around 25mill to do their whole char. Yet they can still hit me as easy as baking a cake if in some cases even easier.
Now am i just being pedantic or is there no incentive to the do the IO set bonuses. I may just as well save all my money and transfer it to do new chars and make life a lot easier for myself.
Just my thought on life in the game thats all !
Suggestion: Post your build up here (Export from Mids Hero Designer) and let the experts see what their/your working with and then more suitable suggestions can be made.
The problem is that every Stalker can choose when a fight begins (his stealth cannot be pierced by anything beyond 10 feet) and he also chooses when every fight ends (via placate or powers like teleport and restealthing). Placate is autohit and nothing in the game protects against it, so there's nothing you can do about that.
Put these two together, throw in damage that can kill a scrapper in two hits while also detoggling him, remember they can open from a position of preparation (yellows, reds, build up) against a target who can't predict the attack, and you realise that the reason your sets don't help you is that you never actually fight the Stalker at all. He just choose when you die. Doesn't work? He just ends the fight and tries again in 20 seconds.
Your sets will help you a great deal if you actually get into a fight - but stalkers simply don't fight. Try and get a brute or the like to go up against, then you should see the benefits.
If you actually want to kill stalkers, then you have to work in a team. It's the only chance you have, because anything else that might work, the stalker can simply avoid forever.
The best way is trickery. Offer them a seemingly helpless target then have several people hit them with everything you've got - and remember they have all the defenses of a scrapper aside from everything else, so you're not going to get very far if it isn't a massively damaging assault.
Defenders can be useful team-mates to have against stalkers. Not all stalker secondaries have repel resistance, for example, so auto-hit repel aura powers can do you some good.
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The problem is that every Stalker can choose when a fight begins (his stealth cannot be pierced by anything beyond 10 feet) and he also chooses when every fight ends (via placate or powers like teleport and restealthing). Placate is autohit and nothing in the game protects against it, so there's nothing you can do about that.
Put these two together, throw in damage that can kill a scrapper in two hits while also detoggling him, remember they can open from a position of preparation (yellows, reds, build up) against a target who can't predict the attack, and you realise that the reason your sets don't help you is that you never actually fight the Stalker at all. He just choose when you die. Doesn't work? He just ends the fight and tries again in 20 seconds.
Your sets will help you a great deal if you actually get into a fight - but stalkers simply don't fight. Try and get a brute or the like to go up against, then you should see the benefits.
If you actually want to kill stalkers, then you have to work in a team. It's the only chance you have, because anything else that might work, the stalker can simply avoid forever.
The best way is trickery. Offer them a seemingly helpless target then have several people hit them with everything you've got - and remember they have all the defenses of a scrapper aside from everything else, so you're not going to get very far if it isn't a massively damaging assault.
Defenders can be useful team-mates to have against stalkers. Not all stalker secondaries have repel resistance, for example, so auto-hit repel aura powers can do you some good.
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You put way too much faith in Stalkers. My own scrapper can go toe-to-toe with one, even after an AS, and my build is extremely poor for PvP. No, the real buggers are debuffing Corrupters.
Placate is autohit, but not all powerful. It is defeated by AoE attacks, auras, and damage over time. If you are readying an attack when you get Placated, the attack can still hit after the Placate, breaking it.
Necrobond - 50 BS/Inv Scrapper made in I1
Rickar - 50 Bots/FF Mastermind
Anti-Muon - 42 Warshade
Ivory Sicarius - 45 Crab Spider
Aber ja, nat�rlich Hans nass ist, er steht unter einem Wasserfall.
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The problem is that every Stalker can choose when a fight begins (his stealth cannot be pierced by anything beyond 10 feet) and he also chooses when every fight ends (via placate or powers like teleport and restealthing). Placate is autohit and nothing in the game protects against it, so there's nothing you can do about that.
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Placate is autohit, but not all powerful. It is defeated by AoE attacks, auras, and damage over time. If you are readying an attack when you get Placated, the attack can still hit after the Placate, breaking it.
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Really? im nearly sure theres a protection somewhere i remember seeing it in a power description in the new combat stats giving a resistance to placate. I'll get back to you.
Stalkers are a pain generally they're nimble and can deal damage quick as said it takes skill to use them but also takes skill to fight them. Expecting to just wait there and fight is probably where your failing. IO's are a really nice boost to your character but they're in no way godly.
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Really? im nearly sure theres a protection somewhere i remember seeing it in a power description in the new combat stats giving a resistance to placate. I'll get back to you.
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Hello all
I was wondering if anyone can explain the dilemma i face in PvP. I have recently done a SR / Spines scrapper which was fun playing to 50 i must admit. With this i have spent just short of 400mill to increase my accuracy and defence and health, of hard earnt influence for absoloutly nothing it seems. In missions i have no problems at all very happy with the char and as ive allready said fun to play.
Now when i go in Sirens there is a massive difference i have Manouvers / Tactics + Focused Fighting (perception) & an increased perception IO. Now i have a friend believe it or not honestly i do ! That has a Ninjitsu / Energy Stalker LvL 44 with no bonus sets just normal SO's. He can walk straight up to me AS me, then ET me and splat im dead and i didnt even know he was there. I do know he has Hide + Stealth + Stealth IO, i never see him basicaly till its way to late or if i do see its for a split second and not enough time to get an attack off. The 400mill i spent increasing my melee / Ranged & AoE defence seems pointless as he hits me every time without fail with normal SO's.
1: Whats the point of spending all that money if someone with no sets at all can just smack some one as easy as baking a cake ?
2: Whats the point of doing an SR scrapper spending 5million on increased perception IO and still not being able to see one stalker untill he is vitualy on your head?
So until the answers come i will keep bouncing all over the place looking like Zebadee and wait for a stalker to unstealth himself when he smacks me one for me trouble and hope i get an attack before his hide kicks in again.
Happy hunting people and i lokk forward to reading some of your answers and hopefully suggestions in trying to resolve this problem. Thanks again
PS: No im not digging stalkers out in anyway shape or form, I enjoy Sirens and would probably enjoy it even more if i could see a few of you