Because killing farmers and then telling them it's a PvP zone results in more stupid drama than any actual fun PvP.
Having most of the people hiding in a base moaning at you on broadcast because you killed someone while they were trying to attain a precious badge or something gets annoying.
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Because killing farmers and then telling them it's a PvP zone results in more stupid drama than any actual fun PvP.
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This.
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I hasn't been as fun since the Heavy nerf though. Killing farmers is great entertainment, but you need actual farmers to do that.
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Because killing farmers and then telling them it's a PvP zone results in more stupid drama than any actual fun PvP.
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This.
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RV is a great zone, but it could be better 
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But then we get into the whole PvP-AT-PvE arguement which ends up looping into circles. Short of it, yes it's a PvP zone so you can't complain about being attacked (I've never typed it onto Broadcast either).
Back to the topic:
I agree that it could be better, especially with the introduction of PvE heavies thanks to the RWZ instead of Longbow's equally good PvP-zone version (One good mothership raid gets you enough merits to grab a power core and they only take an hour or so compared to a seemingly endless farm of pillboxes between hero and villain control). The prize for winning control of the zone is nullified by the fact that you actually need to either be fast enough or co-operate with hero/villain counterparts to get enough points to grab the prize and win AND that in five minutes it resets to neutral anyway so what's the pont in trying again.
My solution would be to make the zone-control perma-temp until the opposing side regained/neutralised control OR have some kind of invasion-like event occur as a result of villains or heroes winning the battle e.g. villains win, Arachnos invades Peregrine Island; heroes win, Longbow invades Grandville, something like that anyway.
I think the worst thing is probably a reduced populous. If more people were in the zones it might be more suitable but it hasn't had quite the same impact and the trash-talking that goes on is enough to put me off. There are some ATs that can effectively solo PvP and a lot that can't. I don't want to have to change my entire power listing just so I might have one or two more victories and I can't always find a team at the hours I play.
I can actually count the vitories I've had solo on one hand and they were both against squishy ATs (would've been a Brute as well if his Corruptor friend hadn't raced in to help and even then I was only winning be cause TK was dropping his toggles and the heavy was blasting him for all it was worth).
I jsut don't feel inclined to participate unless I can win and even then I just feel crappy about it. I got particularly angry at one /rad Corruptor that attacked me and I started running but then turned on and smashed him into the ground. It was a hollow victory because I just picked on the 'squishy' (which was why I started attacking the aforementioned Brute next time I was attacked).
It's also the zone where the balance is at its most even. Heroes have their epics, villains have their patrons; we've all played enough that we know how our powers work and what our toons are capable of.
A better question is to ask - What's right with RV? It's a zone where the zone event is out in the open, where victory for one side means more prestige from defeating opposing PCs and where squishy ATs can get a support vehicle that can do most of the work for them (guilty of that myself), victory in the zone event is nullified after five minutes and the temp power can only be obtaining from active PvP participation or co-operating with your enemy (which I found far more appealing as did they).
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My solution would be to make the zone-control perma-temp until the opposing side regained/neutralised control OR have some kind of invasion-like event occur as a result of villains or heroes winning the battle e.g. villains win, Arachnos invades Peregrine Island; heroes win, Longbow invades Grandville, something like that anyway.
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The important thing is to tie the Pillboxes to PvP - they're the main objective in the zone, but right now, the entire mini-game can be completed by one player.
My idea would be that the Pillboxes, when in neutral mode, are shielded, and impossible to access or damage in any way.
The only way to take down the shield would be with two halves of a code (a red half and a blue half).
When entering the zone, Heroes would instantly be given the blue half of the code, and Villains would be given the red half of the code - to get both halves, you'd need to defeat an enemy, and then use the code at some command point (possibly inside the City hall building) to switch off the shield at any one Pillbox - the shiled would then remain down until the zone reset.
I know this would still be open to exploitation by using "friendly foes", but it'd at least make PvP required to farm the turrets, and by giving anyone in the zone one half of the codes, it'd mean that every player who was in the zone would become a necessary target.
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Shotting yourself in the foot there GG? Thought you fancied yourself as an 'RV Farmer' 
RV should be a capture the flag PvP ONLY zone and thats it.Whichever side had the flag would unlock some bonuses or so.
there shouldn't be a CTF pvp zone, it should be a mode in the arena
also the arena system should allow for queues in the style of the BGs in WoW
also you should be able to send tells/talk in global chat channels etc whilst in the arena
edit: the flag should be an NPC hostage to stop people just getting recall-friended from the enemy base to the flag post, and to stop teams of kins just speeding past everyone
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Shotting yourself in the foot there GG? Thought you fancied yourself as an 'RV Farmer'
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I farm in RV - that doesn't make me an RV farmer
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there shouldn't be a CTF pvp zone, it should be a mode in the arena
also the arena system should allow for queues in the style of the BGs in WoW
also you should be able to send tells/talk in global chat channels etc whilst in the arena
edit: the flag should be an NPC hostage to stop people just getting recall-friended from the enemy base to the flag post, and to stop teams of kins just speeding past everyone
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If they give us this i will wet my pants.
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Shotting yourself in the foot there GG? Thought you fancied yourself as an 'RV Farmer'
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I farm in RV - that doesn't make me an RV farmer
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hmmm 
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there shouldn't be a CTF pvp zone, it should be a mode in the arena
also the arena system should allow for queues in the style of the BGs in WoW
also you should be able to send tells/talk in global chat channels etc whilst in the arena
edit: the flag should be an NPC hostage to stop people just getting recall-friended from the enemy base to the flag post, and to stop teams of kins just speeding past everyone
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If they give us this i will wet my pants.
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Good thing you've got your Spartan diapers handy then
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Shotting yourself in the foot there GG? Thought you fancied yourself as an 'RV Farmer'
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I farm in RV - that doesn't make me an RV farmer
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hmmm
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Well, I go to RV to farm Inf, but also take part in PvP if there's some going on - but a true RV farmer will flee at the first sign of a hostile Villain
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there shouldn't be a CTF pvp zone, it should be a mode in the arena
also the arena system should allow for queues in the style of the BGs in WoW
also you should be able to send tells/talk in global chat channels etc whilst in the arena
edit: the flag should be an NPC hostage to stop people just getting recall-friended from the enemy base to the flag post, and to stop teams of kins just speeding past everyone
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If they give us this i will wet my pants.
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Good thing you've got your Spartan diapers handy then
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Ok
I think RV is good as it is, more players in the zone with the intention of PvP would make it better, the beta for RV was good. Map and mode selection would make the Arena better, having modes like CTF, VIP and a hostage situation like Counter Strike.
After reading some of the replys it seems i might have sounded brutal,
i go to rv to farm as im sure most of you will have seen me there and am always happy to pvp i dont just go there with the intention of killling farmers(cant resist the urge any longer)or rather farming the farmers for rep, ill make the best of whats happening, i still dont understand why some pplz run as soon as a threat turns up , there is no loss for being killed apart from a little dent in ones pride but we all took those dents whilst we learnt the finer points of pvp i myslef have spent best part of 18 months playing different chars in all the zones and boy have i took some hidings but still i learnt from each whooping and now i can hold my own with the best of them(thinks of the 6 or 7 kills last night in sc 
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I dont enjoy going there with a squishy and getting killed by all those spider bosses.
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I dont enjoy going there with a squishy and getting killed by all those spider bosses.
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i must admit i dont understand why the heavys can hit a player i can see why there needed for the zone game but why can they attack players?
on the other hand its kinda funny to see mr squishy send his big red heavy at me i killl that then tp im onto my heavy Boom 2k hit and hes say boohoo lol
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Whats wrong with it is nobody goes into it unless there farming, the pvp is done in sirens and warburg and that sucks as id like to pvp with all my lvl 50 powers and not get auto exemp to the lvl of the zone.
I still say that all npc mobs should be removed from WB,RV and sirens this would sort out the problem of unwanted debt while pvping.As for RV take out the dam heavys and all the rest of the rubbish and make it a good pvp zone then i may even take part in pvp more often.
If I get attacked by something I know I can't beat, i'll definatly run no matter where I am. Some people just have different levels of confidence and will run from different degrees of danger.
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RV should be a capture the flag PvP ONLY zone and thats it.Whichever side had the flag would unlock some bonuses or so.
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a little addition to this one to get ppl in there,might be to add in a chance for a top recipe then we see some farming a reckon, lol
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Whats wrong with it is nobody goes into it unless there farming, the pvp is done in sirens and warburg and that sucks as id like to pvp with all my lvl 50 powers and not get auto exemp to the lvl of the zone.
I still say that all npc mobs should be removed from WB,RV and sirens this would sort out the problem of unwanted debt while pvping.As for RV take out the dam heavys and all the rest of the rubbish and make it a good pvp zone then i may even take part in pvp more often.
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agreed
also plz say hi to the guys in murders used to hang with them guys myself on my hero till i started my own vg
whats wrong with rv as it stands right now ?,
i keep seeing post and pplz moaning on broadcast about rv being a farmers paradise, whats wrong with it being like this ?, im sure its not what the devs intended but since IOs are now in the game we all need to farm.
So im back to my question whats wrong with rv being a farming zone?, you can still pvp there just kill the farmers when they moan say its a pvp zone and there no rules against me killing you.
IMO id be happy if more ppl came to farm there then we would have more pvp there and maybe some of those farmers that dont like pvp might actually start to enjoy pvp
Anyway i am very interested in all opinions on this topic plz good or bad