Why team with a Stalker?
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Unfortunately this is not always a viable option. Firstly, the opponent has plenty of time to go for your duo partner (and may cancel your AS attempt by running away from you at the same time).
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Do you actually play stalkers?
a.) AS is not interrupted by distance, only if they break line of sight.
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Secondly, you might get hit by your opponent's friends during the long animation of AS, thus wasting your Placate.
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b.) placate also has stealth element, which will hide you from the enemys friends, provided they didnt already have aggro on you (placate only removes aggro from a single target). If there was some AOE going on etc then the others will leave stalker alone most propably, and I play a defense based ninjitsu stalker anyway, so its a fair bet they wouldnt interrupt me anyway.
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Unfortunately this is not always a viable option. Firstly, the opponent has plenty of time to go for your duo partner (and may cancel your AS attempt by running away from you at the same time).
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Do you actually play stalkers?
a.) AS is not interrupted by distance, only if they break line of sight.
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Do you actually play stalkers? All in all I have around 100 levels of stalker experience with half of that coming from my lvl 50 stalker.
I can't be bothered to even try and count the times my AS has been interrupted by so much as a twitch on the side of my target. True, AS should only be interrupted by breaking line of sight and I have had some funny 100 yard assassinations, but unless you have never attacked a moving target you must have noticed that this is not always how it works.
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Secondly, you might get hit by your opponent's friends during the long animation of AS, thus wasting your Placate.
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b.) placate also has stealth element, which will hide you from the enemys friends, provided they didnt already have aggro on you (placate only removes aggro from a single target). If there was some AOE going on etc then the others will leave stalker alone most propably, and I play a defense based ninjitsu stalker anyway, so its a fair bet they wouldnt interrupt me anyway.
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I don't know how you play, but I tend to get some aggro during a fight. If you actually play stalkers you should know that AS draws aggro from mobs surrounding your target, so, if that aggro has not been taken care of and you try the Placate+AS stunt mid-fight these mobs will use single target attacks against you and even if you have Ninjutsu or SR (not all stalkers do, imagine that) there is a chance that you will be hit and interrupted. (Mind that we are talking about stalker/dominator duos here, so everything that's not under control will go after you or your squishy friend.) In my experience you often achieve a similar effect but with much less risk (and often a little bit faster) by using a big-hitting crit and a quick follow-up attack.
So, are you done now with your thread-jumping crusade or shall we go on?
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
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Unfortunately this is not always a viable option. Firstly, the opponent has plenty of time to go for your duo partner (and may cancel your AS attempt by running away from you at the same time).
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Do you actually play stalkers?
a.) AS is not interrupted by distance, only if they break line of sight.
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Do you actually play stalkers? All in all I have around 100 levels of stalker experience with half of that coming from my lvl 50 stalker.
I can't be bothered to even try and count the times my AS has been interrupted by so much as a twitch on the side of my target. True, AS should only be interrupted by breaking line of sight and I have had some funny 100 yard assassinations, but unless you have never attacked a moving target you must have noticed that this is not always how it works.
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That is exactly how it works, and I have not witnessed any exceptions. If you move yourself or fall down it will be interrupted.
I also dont see why this would be offtopic, since apparently for these reasons Im argumenting against you would deem a stalker an unsuitable companion in a team.
I also have some measure of stalker experience, as you can see from my signature. My stalker is also built entirely for pvp.
Granted, your argument has it's origin in this thread. Your tone, however, has not. I can't judge your experience at playing stalkers and the same is true vice versa.
So, if you want to accuse me of lying when I say that sometimes an AS is interrupted by only a miniscule movement of the target while it normally should (and does) not, then we are done here. You are getting far too personal for my liking and I can't find that too amusing.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
To OP post i can't think of anything a stalker would bring to a team that is necessary or or other ATs can't do better.
Atm i run a new team with fire/dark draggin 2-3 grp tar patch and aoe begin from team.
We use stalkers at lowér lvl as teamfiller to get bosses each pull They have zero use for the team and i tell them so and just stay back not to [censored] it up. But i guess they hare happy enough beeing 5 lvls lower getting insane exp.
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To OP post i can't think of anything a stalker would bring to a team that is necessary or or other ATs can't do better.
Atm i run a new team with fire/dark draggin 2-3 grp tar patch and aoe begin from team.
We use stalkers at lowér lvl as teamfiller to get bosses each pull They have zero use for the team and i tell them so and just stay back not to [censored] it up. But i guess they hare happy enough beeing 5 lvls lower getting insane exp.
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Why play other types of characters when one toon can clear a 8-man invincible team missions by itself.
Answer: Its a game. People are here to have fun. Leveling is supposed to be fun, not hard science.
Why team with a Stalker?
Because your friend wants to play that type of villain and has spent a long time developing them thats why!
Some of my fav teaming in villains has been in mixed Dom/Stalker teams.
They work very well together if the players can work together
But I do tend to scrap a lot with my stalker in pve..
I had this very same conversation with a friend the other day,and in the end it came down to both of us agreeing that a lot of players are unable/unwilling to change their method of playing..And that other players tend to assume that anyone they recruit into a team is reading from the same script as them.
Communication is a must
I teamed successfully last night with another Stalker and an Energy Blast Corruptor:
Usually, because I've been playing a lot of Heroes lately, I get a little edgy around Energy Blast. It knocks things out of your way and slows down the Scrapper/Tanker flow - or at least it has in my experience on more than one occasion.
With a Stalker though, it's almost perfect. Mobs are pushed away giving the team time to regroup, rehide, recover and ready themselves to fight again. Also being a Ninjitsu Stalker who refuses, point blank, to take Acrobatics, it stops nasty knockback mobs from getting too close a lot of the time.
So, I guess, 2 Stalkers, and Energy Blaster and a /Energy Assault Dom would be perfect
I always make a good pair with a brute, as long as we don't attack each others targets it's very nice xp
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To OP post i can't think of anything a stalker would bring to a team that is necessary or or other ATs can't do better.
Atm i run a new team with fire/dark draggin 2-3 grp tar patch and aoe begin from team.
We use stalkers at lowér lvl as teamfiller to get bosses each pull They have zero use for the team and i tell them so and just stay back not to [censored] it up. But i guess they hare happy enough beeing 5 lvls lower getting insane exp.
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The problem here is that only buffing and autohit debuffing toons (ie. very few powersets in the game) are much use at all when five levels lower.
You're creating a self-fullfilling prophecy by inviting a stalker in the team and already expecting them to be not much use, which they will be if they have to face +5's
There is more to this game than just getting XP. I play my stalker for FUN.
Well-played stalkers can add a great deal to a team. The main problem is players that use stalkers as one-trick-ponies and only using one power in the whole set. Stalkers are not squishy and can take far more punishment than most people give them credit for. They just take more thought to play well than a brute (or a scrapper for that matter to which they are often compared).
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I always make a good pair with a brute, as long as we don't attack each others targets it's very nice xp
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When I used to play me /energy brute I used to have great fun with stalkers, being able to cloak and then poping out of cloak as the stalkers hit there targets was allways fun..Had some success in pvp for a little while too.
I use a dom player and also a couple of stalkers myself, As a stalker player i do like to have a dom in the team and refrain from using placate on my targets due to the squishy nature of the dom, Which i know very well.
I usually use assassins claw/blade on the luits then i have my other 4+ attacks to use on the minions and/or other luits. You maybe suprised to find not all stalkers are useless, Some are very useful and are adept at preventing team wipes.
Like trial and error you find out who you want to team with when you actually team with them and find they are useful or useless.
Saying that as a stalker i usually find myself wondering why do i team with MM's that are quite adept at blocking doorways and charging ahead like they are invincible.
Oh and lastly don't expect everyone to act at top performance cause your playing on relentless and they are five levels lower, Destroys the object of the game which is meant to fun like so many have pointed out. Ever tried to fight a minion thats lvl 36 when your level 30?...it's like watching paint dry as the awesome 12 points of damage rolls off on your most powerful attack.
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I use a dom player and also a couple of stalkers myself, As a stalker player i do like to have a dom in the team and refrain from using placate on my targets due to the squishy nature of the dom, Which i know very well.
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I've found that when duoing with a squishie, the best spot to use placate is just after you knocked the target flat with Air Superiority. Thus the aggro-less time period is spent by the target crawling to his feet, not firing at your team buddy.
So using ASPAS (Air Sup + Placate + Assassin's Strike) is a winning combo in my book.
A similar power that keeps the target busy and not exposing your buddy is the humble caltrops from Ninjutsu. In well-slotted caltrops the target can spend quite a lot of time running slowly, slowly, before deciding to turn around and fire - enough time to get a good placate + attack off.
(This is experience from duoing my MA/Ninj stalker great parts of the road up to 50 with a Fire/Dark Corruptor.)
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Its a game. People are here to have fun. Leveling is supposed to be fun, not hard science.
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In agreement but just a little middle ground.
When it comes to TFs and stuff, if a team can't afford to take a stalker in order to complete it then I think they need to look at the game as a science because in needing an "optimum" in any aspect they are lacking in experience somewhere. The game should be about concept builds and people can learn to function with each others and still get the whole content done. Although if everyone made an AT, what its not and played the AT badly then that does go against the designed mechanics.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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To OP post i can't think of anything a stalker would bring to a team that is necessary or or other ATs can't do better.
Atm i run a new team with fire/dark draggin 2-3 grp tar patch and aoe begin from team.
We use stalkers at lowér lvl as teamfiller to get bosses each pull They have zero use for the team and i tell them so and just stay back not to [censored] it up. But i guess they hare happy enough beeing 5 lvls lower getting insane exp.
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FFS, These kind of posts make me absolutely mad. Especially when there's starting to develop a bad pattern.
The above quote sounds silly and without respect or understanding of the game nor players as well as showing a lack of understanding what it takes to make playing a game fun for other ppl too.
And then just the sub-text of this post... adds very nice to the tone of voice of this posters posts in general displaying the arrogance, megalomania and despotism of an abject desillusioned bully schoolkid with a huge lack of honest self-esteem dripping right through every syllable. But quite possibly he's cultivating and upholding this image with delicate care and some sort of a solipsistic accountable rationale.
"Using" stalkers (or anyone else) being way too low lvl to do anything but stand back and watch just to bump up the boss count...Pffft.
It's not nice. And it's not smart either, because ................ argh nvm, not gonna bother anymore.
It's a shame we have to spend time and energy to read BS posts like quoted above, let alone replying to the foolish post(er) or even just devote energy to decline the impulse to reply and refrain from the act itself of not giving in to it -which i'll try to do as effortlessly as possible from hereafter.
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Stalkers pwn, got 7 of them spread over 2 accounts and let me just say this ive never had a team member complain of my actions regardless of there AT, so for the people that claim they aint dissin stalkers maybe you have the problems and need to learn how to play. Arena ?
Eeerm, actually it doesn't. I guess I jumbled my own sentences a little bit too much with less than satisfying result.
I think at first I wanted to write something about Placate recharging quite fast and that you could use it a lot more often than AS, then tried to find a clearer wording, tricked myself and got it all wrong. Silly me!
However, it's still so that saving Placate for AS is in many cases not worth the wait (as long as you have any normal attack with impressive crit damage).
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.