Any hints and tips for a newbie PB?


Burning_Seraph_EU

 

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My main Hero will hopefully be hitting 50 this week and I'm desperate to form my own opinion of this Epic. I was thinking of making a Tri-Form, mainly because I think it's good to be able to adapt (plus it looks cool ), I started trying to do my build in MHD but when I got to around about Level 20 I got terribly confused an ended up scrapping the whole thing!

The main problem I have when trying to plan any builds in advance is that I really don't have any clue what it'd be like until I try it out, numbers are just numbers to me on the designer and even though something might seem cool it just doesn't seem to sink in that I'm actually doing anything to my build

Somewhat contradictory, I was wondering if anyone had any tips to keep in mind when rolling their first Peacebringer as I'm sure hearing advice from a fellow player would hit me harder than seeing any build (though if you do have any builds to post for support I do like to look at them I'm a confusing person I know). If it helps, this is what I'm thinking about:-

<ul type="square">[*]I like ranged attacks so Bright Nova is a must
[*]I want to be able to go into Dwarf Form, but am not thinking of using it as a main form as after a while I get a little bored by melee (which makes me wonder why I want a Tri-Form in the first place...)
[*]I want to be USEFUL I know I'm going to die a lot but that doesn't phase me, I love to team and love it even more if I can really see if I'm contributing![/list]That's it, I'm not even sure if my wish list above is achievable but it's an idea of my frame of mind. Until I play the AT myself I have no idea what to expect or what will be expected of me, but any information you have for a new Peacebringer would be very much appreciated!

Thanks for your time


 

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Biggest challenge for kheldians is lack of slots. As you say you like ranged attacks, you should focus on slotting Bright Nova, keeping Dwarf as an emergency button and setting up human form primarily to support Nova (i.e with heals, hasten, etc.).

For example, I am aiming for a tri-form PB balanced between Nova and Dwarf forms, so will focus on slotting these two forms to the detriment of human form.


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Ah I see, so I gather that if you're trying to make a Tri-Form there will usually be one form which suffers for the greater good? That's fine in that case, I think I have a better idea now.

As I am thinking mainly of Nova and backup for Dwarf, is there any point in getting the Shields for Human?

Another newbie question, I take it that Hasten carries over to other forms as I've seen it in other people's builds. Do the Fitness Pool Powers carry over too? If a power's information says "This power is always on..." I'm assuming they will carry over also.

Thank you


 

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Hasten is the only one that carries over to the forms as far as I am aware.


 

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Human form shields are certainly useful in the early levels (up to 20 and dwarf at least) but I wouldn't slot them too heavily if you are planning on taking Dwarf and maybe even respec them out later on.

The crow-lady is right about hasten, but human form also has some heals and stuff that are worth having.

If my suggestions are a bit vague its because my khelds are still low level although fully planned out to 50.


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Ah I see, so I gather that if you're trying to make a Tri-Form there will usually be one form which suffers for the greater good? That's fine in that case, I think I have a better idea now.

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You can actually have all three slotted well (probably even more so now with IOs) but it takes a long time. I didn't finish getting dwarf nicely slotted until level 50. Like you plan, I only used Dwarf as a last resort so slotted it last.

Human shields are handy. Added to cosmic balance you can get great resistance and they stack with Lightform as well (so saves slots there if needed). The downsides are finding enough slots for them and having to turn them all back on when you get mezzed. I took two of them and only slotted shinning shield as it was the one most used.


 

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Technically, Build Up is carried over into forms, but since it has such a short duration its not all that useful. More usefully, the +max hp power (forget name) also carries over.

The shields arn't essential. My PB is mostly human form, and I only have the S/L shield.


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Thanks for all your help, here's what I've come up with so far taking advice from above and some other topics.

I'd just like to point out that I'm rubbish at planning builds in advance and get very confused There will likely be many things wrong with this. Any constructive feedback you have would be great! This is all based on SOs but I intend to get a lot of IOs at higher levels.

At level 44 onwards I got a little lost as to what powers to pick. I also think I must have messed up really badly somewhere, as I know people say there aren't enough slots but I was finding it difficult to decide where to put mine!!

My plan is mainly to use Nova and Human with Dwarf being my handy backup.

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Primary Power Set: Luminous Blast
Secondary Power Set: Luminous Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Medicine

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Gleaming Bolt -- Acc(A), Dmg(3), Dmg(3)
Level 1: Incandescence -- ResDam(A)
Level 2: Gleaming Blast -- Acc(A), Dmg(5), Dmg(5)
Level 4: Shining Shield -- ResDam(A), ResDam(7)
Level 6: Bright Nova -- ToHit(A), ToHit(7), EndMod(9), EndMod(15)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(11), RechRdx(21)
Level 10: Proton Scatter -- Acc(A), Dmg(40), Dmg(42)
Level 12: Essence Boost -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(43), Heal(43), Heal(43)
Level 14: Build Up -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(36), RechRdx(36)
Level 16: Thermal Shield -- ResDam(A), ResDam(17)
Level 18: Aid Other -- IntRdx(A)
Level 20: Aid Self -- IntRdx(A), Heal(21), IntRdx(42)
Level 22: White Dwarf -- ResDam(A), ResDam(29), ResDam(33)
Level 24: Conserve Energy -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(37), RechRdx(40)
Level 26: Glinting Eye -- Acc(A), Dmg(31), Dmg(40)
Level 28: Luminous Detonation -- Acc(A), Dmg(37), Dmg(48)
Level 30: Solar Flare -- Acc(A), Dmg(31)
Level 32: Photon Seekers -- Acc(A), EndRdx(33), RechRdx(33)
Level 35: Dawn Strike -- Dmg(A), Dmg(36), Dmg(37)
Level 38: Light Form -- ResDam(A), ResDam(39), RechRdx(39), RechRdx(39)
Level 41: Restore Essence -- RechRdx(A), Heal(42)
Level 44: Resuscitate -- IntRdx(A), IntRdx(45)
Level 47: Pulsar -- Acc(A), Acc(48), Dsrnt(48)
Level 49: Reform Essence -- EndRdx(A), Heal(50), RechRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx(A)
Level 1: Cosmic Balance
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Level 6: Bright Nova Bolt -- Acc(A), Dmg(13), Dmg(19), Dmg(27)
Level 6: Bright Nova Blast -- Acc(A), Dmg(9), Dmg(15), Dmg(23)
Level 6: Bright Nova Scatter -- Acc(A), Dmg(11), Dmg(19), Dmg(27)
Level 6: Bright Nova Detonation -- Acc(A), Dmg(13), Dmg(17), Dmg(23)
Level 22: White Dwarf Strike -- Acc(A), Dmg(25), Dmg(34), Dmg(45)
Level 22: White Dwarf Smite -- Acc(A), Dmg(25), Dmg(34), Dmg(45)
Level 22: White Dwarf Flare -- Acc(A), Acc(31), EndRdx(50)
Level 22: White Dwarf Sublimation -- Heal(A), Heal(34)
Level 22: White Dwarf Antagonize -- Acc(A), Acc(29), Taunt(46)
Level 22: White Dwarf Step -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(46)



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Looking quite nice there. Essence boost is the power that gives you a boost to HP and it does carry over to your forms. So nice to have when you are about to run into a big mob and not sure what will happen.

I'm lvl 13 now and quite enjoying, Slotting Nova and Dwarf primarily but also using a good few human skills as well.

I've used Plasma's Guide (US boards) to get an idea for slotting and then just mixed around with some powers that I thought would be nice. Plasma has a pretty nice build "Gold sample" or some such that gives good slotting in Tri Form. I will see how things progress and maybe at a much later stage (35 or higher) think about speccing differently, maybe go Bi Form and have more slots.

The one thing to keep in mind here is getting your binds up! Again Plasma has them all listed and they work great! Iscariot also has a few more to look at. The void one is a must and having it on TAB is great since you dont get flooded with the "not found" message.

Shout if you need any links to these


 

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Ah any links would be helpful indeed if you have them thank you! Nice to know the Essence Boost carries over in that case, good for a tight bit of trouble.

And yes binding is a must, I look forward to learning all about the ones required here.


 

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I'll add the links quickly for you in the morning. Got them on my laptop which is at the office

Got my PB to 16 now, I am really enjoying him. It can get very hairy at times (hitting +3's the whole of the evening) but we managed quite well. In Nova, stay high enough so that you are out of melee range but close enough to get heals!


 

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Nice advice guys (gals). Just hit 50 (only took 27 months) and was wandering how to go about making a half decent PB. This stuff will come in handy


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Ah gratz to you then InZane Took me over 2 years to get mine too so I share the feeling with you.

Hope you enjoy your PB as much as I intend to enjoy mine


 

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Reached 19 on my PB and it just gets more interesting as you go The voids/quants are getting a bit more hairy, especially if you miss!

I tend to use Nova for most of my damage and when someone gets close, pop to human IS him and he gets knocked down and confused. Can't wait for the skills to come! Human looks like quite a nice melee character, a bit squishy bit not as bad as the squid.


 

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Hero Profile:
Level 1: Gleaming Bolt -- Acc(A), Dmg(3), Dmg(3)
Level 1: Incandescence -- ResDam(A)
Level 2: Gleaming Blast -- Acc(A), Dmg(5), Dmg(5)
Level 4: Shining Shield -- ResDam(A), ResDam(7)
Level 6: Bright Nova -- ToHit(A), ToHit(7), EndMod(9), EndMod(15)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(11), RechRdx(21)
Level 10: Proton Scatter -- Acc(A), Dmg(40), Dmg(42)
Level 12: Essence Boost -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(43), Heal(43), Heal(43)
Level 14: Build Up -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(36), RechRdx(36)
Level 16: Thermal Shield -- ResDam(A), ResDam(17)
Level 18: Aid Other -- IntRdx(A)
Level 20: Aid Self -- IntRdx(A), Heal(21), IntRdx(42)
Level 22: White Dwarf -- ResDam(A), ResDam(29), ResDam(33)
Level 24: Conserve Energy -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(37), RechRdx(40)
Level 26: Glinting Eye -- Acc(A), Dmg(31), Dmg(40)
Level 28: Luminous Detonation -- Acc(A), Dmg(37), Dmg(48)
Level 30: Solar Flare -- Acc(A), Dmg(31)
Level 32: Photon Seekers -- Acc(A), EndRdx(33), RechRdx(33)
Level 35: Dawn Strike -- Dmg(A), Dmg(36), Dmg(37)
Level 38: Light Form -- ResDam(A), ResDam(39), RechRdx(39), RechRdx(39)
Level 41: Restore Essence -- RechRdx(A), Heal(42)
Level 44: Resuscitate -- IntRdx(A), IntRdx(45)
Level 47: Pulsar -- Acc(A), Acc(48), Dsrnt(48)
Level 49: Reform Essence -- EndRdx(A), Heal(50), RechRdx(50)


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I can see three probelms with this.

[u]Problem number 1:[u]No Fitness pools!!! Even if these dont carry over you still need them! They are a must!! I find trouble putting mine in, accturly, got to level 26 with only getting swift as there are to many good powers to have instead :P

[u]Problem number 2:[u]You said you wanted to be helpful? Get glowing touch! Its better than aid other or whatever its called and is far more useful! I love it!

[u]Problem number 3:[u]You dont have that attack... forgot what its called... human form where you jump up and slam down on them? is it incandesant strike or something? i know its strike... anyway, you need that because with build up and one or 2 slots it can be a one hit kill which is really useful. You also need it for coolness value and to show off :P

Remember, these are only surgestions and i dont care if you aggnore them.


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Hasten is definitely necessary, you have 3 click heals (assuming you take Dwarf form) which are obviously very useful in improving survival; it really helps your aggro output in Dwarf too - important if you want to tank for teams.
Conserve power I have also found to be very useful (even with stamina taken at 22) because Dwarf form takes a LOT of attacks to kill stuff, even when you slot the attacks.
Also, always team with as many tanks / trollers and defs as possible, the damage buff from the tanks/defs is awesome and trollers make you (slightly) less prone to being mezzed.

Does anyone have a bind for selecting voids etc? I use target_custom_next (void/quant...) but this selects their just defeated bodies too, which is a bit annoying Important to go with this are some Kheld whining binds (tm) so you can squeal for help from teammates when you spot one I would suggest "team AAAAAH, I've seen a $target and will be cowering in a corner until it is dead!"


 

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Check out http://uk.boards.cityofheroes.com/showfl...ge=1#Post869158
for decent binds.

I have got my PB up to 38 and a WS up to 28. I agree you have no need to bother with aid other etc. Glowing Touch is ok for the odd heal if you need it and the other self heals are more than enough. And if you need more slot the Dwarf heal.

And check out plasma's excellent kheld guide. I use it constantly as I am levelling to check what powers sound interesting adn what to do with them.

Ultimately I think you are best playing around with powers and getting your own feel for them as you go along and respeccing as needed.

Stamina and conserve energy are a must. You will be hurting for endurance otherwise.

I know some people think the PB suffers in early levels but i personally have enjoyed every level with my PB. Get your binds sorted and become a powerhouse of destruction. With a decent team and tanker you can dominate almost every battle. For me up till 32+ I was flipping between forms constantly to be as usefull as possible. Nova AoE's into Human AoE's, maybe a couple of single target attacks, heal then back to Nova. Get unwanted aggro flip to dwarf.

Now at 38 my PB is a human/dwarf build and now with light form it feels like a whole new dimension has opened up again. I think towards 50 I will pick up Nova again for the finished build.

Anyway from my experience khelds are amazing AT's with by far the most flexibility. Find what works for you and build for your playstyle.

Also my warshade has amazed me too. Damage output is unreal at times. With a good tanker wiping out a big spawn of +3's in a very short time is amazing.


 

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This is the bind I'm using for the voids

/bind TAB "target_enemy_next$$target_custom_next enemy alive quantum$$target_custom_next enemy alive void$$target_custom_next enemy alive cyst"


Gotten to 21 and the dwarf is GREAT fun I can tank but it does get tricky at times, need them SOs now!

I'm also flipping around between Nova / Human for damage and dwarf to take the aggro. Makes it much easier to survive and kill them :P Voids are getting quite nasty but luckily the dwarf attacks do knockdown so if you are lucky he won't have any idea what hit him.


 

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Heyas,

I've a level 50 PB &amp; a level 21 WS. I went tri-form till mid 30's I think on the PB (WS is Tri-form) then at 50 respec'd back to a tri-form PB.

At lower PB levels Radiant Strike has brilliant damage, then Incandesant Strike is your next high damage. Both are IMO essential to human form. I would put prefferance in slotting Nova over Dwarf, just slot Dwarf for defence &amp; heal &amp; use it as your panic button. Remember that Dwarf has amazing defence against Cyst &amp; is really you first chance to run up &amp; give a quant/void the smack they deserve!

Yup, I agree you have no need to bother with aid other etc. Glowing Touch is ok for the odd heal if you need it and the other self heals are enough. If things get really bad change to Dwarf &amp; TP away.

Stamina &amp; conserve power are both needed.

Dawn Strike isn't as good as it sounds, no where near the damage of a blaster's Nova

Photon Seekers, these are inaccurate &amp; annoying IMO useless! There are too many other &amp; better options.

If you can find spare slots any where i'd stick a 3rd recharge reduction in Light Form.

The most important thing to remember is that you will have no where near enough slots for your PB's till mid to late 30's &amp; even then you'll need to make tough choices. A tri-form PB isn't at it's best till 50 really A two-form can be well slotted much faster &amp; you might wanna try this, then respec back to tri-form later.

Xtream


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I love photon seekers, I use them in close combat as that way they almost certainly hit.
They do a very handy burst of damage and can buy you a breathing space for a quick heal because of the knockback.
I dont have sheilds in human form, the dull pain and self heals combined with AOE disorient are generally enough to keep me safe solo.
If i find im taking to much damage i switch to dwarf form which i have reasonably well slotted.