only one acc in attacks!?
also, no real need for stam as stygian (3 slotted+ hasten) makes it near enough perma 
just that acc stoof befuggles me :P
my pb atm (25) misses everything with 3 acc in (full human) so dunno how 1acc will be lol
I've only got 1 Acc in my Human and Dwarf attacks on my WS, its ok for yellows and oranges.
ye i'm using the human attacks alot on the 3form build i have now, only 1acc in them and works fine... i never slot more then 1acc unless its a PvP toon...
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
omg, just me having crappy acc then, 3acc is a must for me as i hardly ever hit anything >.>
Accuracy is soft capped at 95%. For most attacks against even con mobs base acc is 75%. 75% + 1x33%SO > 95%.
2 accs can be useful when fighting higher level mobs, mobs with +def or acc debuffs, and in PvP.
3 acc is overkill for anything but PvP.
I really should do something about this signature.
then explain why i miss ALOT when i have 3acc, with no debuffs on any given toon
Because you are a rubbish shot.
I hit most of the time with 1acc in most of my powers.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Accuracy is soft capped at 95%. For most attacks against even con mobs base acc is 75%. 75% + 1x33%SO > 95%.
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Shouldn't that be 0.75*(1+0.33)?
And Tyl, considered getting glasses or contact lenses for your chars? 
ppl, please try and keep to the OT, didnt make this thread to crunch numbers 
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
for me my human/dwarf was all about the gravity emination + inky aspect, these two powers that for every fight the whole mob group was dazed and the boss held/dead ready to explode with unchain essense.
@ExtraGonk
let me know how this works out brimmy. i'm levelling my first warshade at the moment (currently a sneeze away from 20) and am planning to go human/dwarf
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let me know how this works out brimmy. i'm levelling my first warshade at the moment (currently a sneeze away from 20) and am planning to go human/dwarf
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will do, got him at a steady 26 atm, was planning on taking him to 32 during the weekend and then try out some specs on test but my brother's coming to visit so playtime will be at a minimum, but when i've taken him to 32 and done some testing i'll make a post
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
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Because you are a rubbish shot.
I hit most of the time with 1acc in most of my powers.
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If this was, as I hope, intended as a humorous remark, a smiley might have been a good idea. Just to be sure.
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then explain why i miss ALOT when i have 3acc, with no debuffs on any given toon
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You wouldnt happen to be -5 levels to the rest of the team in an attempt to get l33t xp? 2 acc is comfortable for +4 imo.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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20) --> Black Dwarf Strike==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Smite==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43)
20) --> Black Dwarf Mire==> Acc(20) Rechg(37) Rechg(37) Rechg(40)
20) --> Black Dwarf Drain==> Acc(20) Heal(45) Heal(46) Heal(46) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Step==> EndRdx(20)
20) --> Black Dwarf Antagonize==> Acc(20)
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The dwarf is rubbish for damage and its only worth being in the form to get aggro off people and take alphas. I would make the rest of the build about AoE damage (cos thats where WS rules imo) and try to never have to go into dwarf unless its to save people and when ya do go into Dwarf have an antagonise thats worth something. Its a bit debt dodging imo. Pre 38 id Dwarf mire which is 3 rechg 2 acc and 1 slow then human mire which is acc buffed by dwarf mire so human mire can be straight forward 3 rechg and 3 dam and then while in human form AOE like mad maybe switch to nova form to get more AoEs out then go back to human form and AoE of a dead one with the unchained essence then stygian circle "ideally" but usually in teams you have to adapt to what other people do...
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
mob lvls are white/yellow as i solo on heroic, easier to get end bonus faster which is what i always aim for
Some people take exception to attacks missing more than others and so it feels like it or your maybe going against high def or your not telling us your still on TOs but with the amount of time you have been in game i think that your possibly taking exception to the misses and they seem to happen alot. If you try herostats you may find a different story to what you feel your getting.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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The dwarf is rubbish for damage and its only worth being in the form to get aggro off people and take alphas.
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Well, 7 months after playing my WS last, I discovered that my 3 slotted Dark Dwarf Smite, combined with the mire, can do some real damage, more than the avarage tank, atleast...
I believe that slotting the dwarf for damage (atleast for warshades, because then have mires :P) can really help improve the survivability (as you will be killing mobs faster when you really need 50-60% resistance to all but psionic and toxic, and a fine, FINE boost to HP.
@Double
Double Flame 50 fire/devices
Double Shade 50 tri-form warshade
Double Light 50 dwarf-human peacebringer
Double Control 50 earth/rad
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in my opinion you're wrong here Shannon, as my WS is now (around lvl27 still 3form) i use Dwarf form alot both when teaming and soloing and i find the damage quite good and slotting it isnt gonna make it worse Wether or not you think dwarf has good damage comes down to personal opinion, so saying its rubbish is kinda politically incorrect
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
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in my opinion you're wrong here Shannon, as my WS is now (around lvl27 still 3form) i use Dwarf form alot both when teaming and soloing and i find the damage quite good and slotting it isnt gonna make it worse Wether or not you think dwarf has good damage comes down to personal opinion, so saying its rubbish is kinda politically incorrect
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Look at the numbers on nofuture, the damage is rubbish. Human form damage is better, nova is better, the only time for you to be in dwarf therefore is to take hits off people so that their dps isnt dropped by being dead. Antagonise took 2 accs to hit +4 AVs, GMs or Elite bosses, 2 rechgs to spam it in a recovery situation and 2 taunt slots to keep things on me despite occasional misses. Any less just aint good enough without outside buffs. I like to get as much damage out of the other forms for when there is a tank in team already and just use Dwarf to get hit with. On the Peacebringer antagonise is much more effective at saving people than that heal as its better to be getting hit by as many possible in a fight than to stand there and spam that heal.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Some people take exception to attacks missing more than others and so it feels like it or your maybe going against high def or your not telling us your still on TOs but with the amount of time you have been in game i think that your possibly taking exception to the misses and they seem to happen alot. If you try herostats you may find a different story to what you feel your getting.
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nah its constant @ 50 have a mix of white/green SO's still miss like a bint. and the toons i have in the 30's area are again white/green.
the only char i never missed on (much) was the ngy/dev, but that was because of 2 acc in attacks and 3tohits tactics, 3 tohits drone. every other toon, such as, say my fire/elec, misses a fair bit, hes got 3acc/3dmg etc >.<
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Some people take exception to attacks missing more than others and so it feels like it or your maybe going against high def or your not telling us your still on TOs but with the amount of time you have been in game i think that your possibly taking exception to the misses and they seem to happen alot. If you try herostats you may find a different story to what you feel your getting.
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nah its constant @ 50 have a mix of white/green SO's still miss like a bint. and the toons i have in the 30's area are again white/green.
the only char i never missed on (much) was the ngy/dev, but that was because of 2 acc in attacks and 3tohits tactics, 3 tohits drone. every other toon, such as, say my fire/elec, misses a fair bit, hes got 3acc/3dmg etc >.<
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thats just wierd, my "main" atm (spines/invu) is running 1acc in each attack, just as all my other toons, and i hardly ever miss running on invinc...
and my 50 scrap (katana/regen) doesnt have any accs slotted at all, running purely on FA and hits almost everytime....
anyways, back to topic please, can continue the accuracy discussion on another thread.
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
I find i prefer the equivalent to 2accs on my bread and butter boss dropping attacks (STs) but one acc on the AoEs for the minions.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
seriously now, no more acc discussion highjacking, lets stick to the OT or i'll have the thread locked, i dont want to but i made the thread for a reason and this discussion aint it.
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers
hey all, been playing a WS again lately, loving it even more than last time
planning on respeccing at 32-33 into a human/dwarf build but not really sure at how to make it, the way it turned out in my planner seems kinda naff tbh, here it is:
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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Human/Dwarf 2
Level: 50
Archetype: Warshade
Primary: Umbral Blast
Secondary: Umbral Aura
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01) --> Shadow Bolt==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7)
01) --> Absorption==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Ebon Eye==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7)
04) --> Gravity Shield==> EndRdx(4) DmgRes(11) DmgRes(15) DmgRes(19)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6)
08) --> Shadow Blast==> Acc(8) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11)
10) --> Penumbral Shield==> EndRdx(10) DmgRes(15) DmgRes(19) DmgRes(25)
12) --> Sunless Mire==> Acc(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) Rechg(40)
14) --> Swift==> Empty(14)
16) --> Twilight Shield==> EndRdx(16) DmgRes(17) DmgRes(17) DmgRes(23)
18) --> Gravity Well==> Acc(18)
20) --> Black Dwarf==> DmgRes(20) DmgRes(21) DmgRes(21) EndMod(31) EndMod(34)
22) --> Stygian Circle==> Heal(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(25) Heal(27)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24) Heal(45) Heal(48)
26) --> Stamina==> EndMod(26) EndMod(27) EndMod(31)
28) --> Unchain Essence==> Acc(28) Dmg(29) Dmg(29) Dmg(31) Rechg(43) Rechg(45)
30) --> Super Speed==> Run(30)
32) --> Dark Extraction==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Quasar==> Acc(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(37) Rechg(40)
38) --> Eclipse==> Acc(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39)
41) --> Shadow Cloak==> EndRdx(41)
44) --> Stygian Return==> Rechg(44) Rechg(50)
47) --> Inky Aspect==> Acc(47)
49) --> Gravity Emanation==> Acc(49) Slow(50) Slow(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Shadow Step==> Empty(1)
10) --> Shadow Recall==> Empty(10)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Dark Sustenance==> Empty(1)
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20) --> Black Dwarf Strike==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) Dmg(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Smite==> Acc(20) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43)
20) --> Black Dwarf Mire==> Acc(20) Rechg(37) Rechg(37) Rechg(40)
20) --> Black Dwarf Drain==> Acc(20) Heal(45) Heal(46) Heal(46) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(48)
20) --> Black Dwarf Step==> EndRdx(20)
20) --> Black Dwarf Antagonize==> Acc(20)
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anyone got any pointers at how to make it come together? remember i'm respeccing it at 32-33 thnx on before hand
@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers